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Alabama Governor: Non-Christians are not his 'brothers and sisters'
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jetblasted Offline
#1 Posted: Wed, Jan 19 2011, 4:44 PM EST
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In his inaugural address on Monday, Alabama's new governor, Republican Robert Bentley, went out of his way to inform all the Jews, Muslims, Hindus, and other non-Christians in his state that they'll be on his s#!t list until they start believing in Jesus. "Anybody here today who has not accepted Jesus Christ as their savior, I'm telling you, you're not my brother and you're not my sister, and I want to be your brother," he said. It may seem outrageous, but making minorities feel unwelcome on your first day in office is actually an official responsibility of the governor of Alabama.

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/01/alabama_governor_insults_all_s.html
jackconrad Offline
#2 Posted: Wed, Jan 19 2011, 4:52 PM EST
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O, Susanna,
O, don't you cry for me,
I've come from Alabama
With my banjo on my knee.
daveincincy Offline
#3 Posted: Wed, Jan 19 2011, 4:57 PM EST
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d'oh!
what a knucklehead

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rfenst Offline
#4 Posted: Wed, Jan 19 2011, 5:36 PM EST
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daveincincy wrote:
d'oh!
what a knucklehead

Scoreboard:
Non-Christians 1
Christians 0



Why do you see it as a competition of christians v. non-christians?



More important, does the fact that that $h!t still occurs in Alabama of any surprise to anyone?
daveincincy Offline
#5 Posted: Wed, Jan 19 2011, 7:33 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Why do you see it as a competition of christians v. non-christians?



More important, does the fact that that $h!t still occurs in Alabama of any surprise to anyone?


Not a competition at all. Just more stuff that makes all Christians look bad...as if he speaks for all "Christians." He should be looking at the plank in his own eye.
SteveS Offline
#6 Posted: Wed, Jan 19 2011, 7:50 PM EST
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there are one he** of a lot of folks, some of whom might consider themselves Christians, who I don't view as my brothers or sisters ... conversely, there are a number of non-Christians with whom have what could well be thought of as a brotherly relationship .. it's pretty clear that this guy in Alabama is, as mentioned already, a knucklehead ...

that said, I am curious why we have such a lack of tolerance for this sort of knucklehead while having what often seems like a pretty great tolererance for Muslim (or whatever other persuasion) knuckleheads who go on in similar vein about their own narrow views ...
stogiemonger Offline
#7 Posted: Wed, Jan 19 2011, 8:07 PM EST
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He didn't imply that he would not however serve them. Just that they are not his brother (in Christ). Two words that went unspoken, caused this whole confusion for this good man.
SteveS Offline
#8 Posted: Wed, Jan 19 2011, 8:22 PM EST
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stogiemonger wrote:
... they are not his brother (in Christ). Two words that went unspoken, caused this whole confusion for this good man.

he may be a good man, but in terms of public sensitivity, he's a knucklehead ... a man (or a woman) in a prominent leadership position can't go off like this with their private views ... not only does in tar them with the knucklehead label, it makes other office holders of his/her party look bad as well in a sort of guilt by association ...

I'm a pretty conservative guy, but I have real problems with those who want to mix their religion into their politics ... goodness knows, I've seen one hell of a lot of that in my life and have even been personally affected by it ...
jpotts Offline
#9 Posted: Wed, Jan 19 2011, 10:54 PM EST
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I really don't see what the big deal is. As long as the man does not discriminate on the basis of religion, he can say whatever he wants.

Democrats, as a rule, would like nothing better than to send all Republicans to a gulag. I guess that somehow implies "you're not my brother."

(That is unless you really hate your brother.)
tailgater Offline
#10 Posted: Wed, Jan 19 2011, 10:59 PM EST
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I think it's kinda funny.

In a scary, one-government/one-relgion sort of way...

the next thing you know, they'll want to put "under God" in our pledge of allegence.

Whatever happened to the good old days, when we used to gather for our winter break around the decorated holiday tree to celebrate, uhmm, ahh,
what the hell were we celebrating again?
Oh yeah! Another day off from work.


I can hear the banjos playing Silent Night as I type this...
jpotts Offline
#11 Posted: Wed, Jan 19 2011, 10:59 PM EST
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People need to start getting over what people say, and focus more on what they do. Detroit is filled with lots of people who have done so much "good" for the residents of that city (an overwhelming population of minorities). The place is an even bigger sh*thole now than when the white cops were allegedly beating up on the blacks.

These grand people who are just so loving and tolerant and inclusive have worked their magic so well that people in Detroit are generally afraid of stepping out their front door.

The same pretty much can be said of any major urban area.
jetblasted Offline
#12 Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 1:57 AM EST
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The problem with all this is on the 1st day as Governor, he makes this speech that if you're not a Christian, then he doesn't consider you . . . . . the rest is blah, blah, blah ... the 1st sentence is all that matters, and nothing else. "So anybody here today who has not accepted Jesus Christ as their savior, I'm telling you, you're not my brother" ... No one cares what comes after that, because in the minds of a great deal of people, nothing else that he said after this matters. Alabama's Governor has only been sworn in for two days but he's already learning how not to make new friends and influence people.

The damage is done. No amount of back peddling and explaining what he was trying to say, or what his message intended to say, matters now. On his 1st day in office, he came out and said that only Christians matter to him. And as Governor, that's a huge slap in the face to the residents of his state that are Jewish. I really don't give a f#ck what the Moslems think.

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jetblasted Offline
#13 Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 2:03 AM EST
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1st day in office, he declares himself a dumbass ...
jetblasted Offline
#14 Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 2:17 AM EST
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It's kinda funny, jpotts, the governor looks just like your icon . . . LoL Dancing
donutboy2000 Offline
#15 Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 4:03 AM EST
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Sharia law now!
rfenst Offline
#16 Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 6:43 AM EST
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daveincincy wrote:
Not a competition at all. Just more stuff that makes all Christians look bad...as if he speaks for all "Christians." He should be looking at the plank in his own eye.



FWIW, I don't think this guy makes all Christians look bad, just his intollerant self and his adoring electorate.
rfenst Offline
#17 Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 6:52 AM EST
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jpotts wrote:
People need to start getting over what people say, and focus more on what they do. Detroit is filled with lots of people who have done so much "good" for the residents of that city (an overwhelming population of minorities). The place is an even bigger sh*thole now than when the white cops were allegedly beating up on the blacks.

These grand people who are just so loving and tolerant and inclusive have worked their magic so well that people in Detroit are generally afraid of stepping out their front door.

The same pretty much can be said of any major urban area.



So, what is your point?
JadeRose Offline
#18 Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 7:42 AM EST
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rfenst wrote:
So, what is your point?



It's potts, Robert. There isn't one. Ya know..it's a shame. I always liked you, Robert but, apparently, the fact that you are not a Christian means we cannot be Brothers anymore. Sorry....that's just the way it has to be.












(In all truth, I would rather worship Satan than worship any God that says I can't be brothers with someone that doesn't share the same spiritual beliefs that I do. THAT God can kiss my a s s.)
HockeyDad Offline
#19 Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 8:26 AM EST
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There are only 14 people in Alabama who are not Christian.
rfenst Offline
#20 Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 8:56 AM EST
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JadeRose wrote:
It's potts, Robert. There isn't one. Ya know..it's a shame. I always liked you, Robert but, apparently, the fact that you are not a Christian means we cannot be Brothers anymore. Sorry....that's just the way it has to be.



I compleltely understand.
rfenst Offline
#21 Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 9:06 AM EST
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Ala. governor apologizes for remarks on Christians

Published - Jan 19 2011 07:41PM EST
By BOB JOHNSON - Associated Press

MONTGOMERY, Ala. — Two days after being sworn in as Alabama governor, Robert Bentley apologized Wednesday for proclaiming to a Baptist church audience that only Christians were his brothers and sisters and vowed to work for people of all faiths and colors.

...

The president of the national Interfaith Alliance, the Rev. Welton Gaddy, said Bentley "went too far."

"I thought that with his statement he created two classes of citizens in Alabama, those that were his brothers and sisters in Christ and everyone else. As an elected official, he has the responsibility to serve all the people and treat all the people equally," Gaddy said.

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The end.
daveincincy Offline
#22 Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 9:48 AM EST
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We all know that when Jesus walked the earth he spent 98.2% of his time eating and hanging out with the bible scholars, the law-abiders, the well-to-do upper-class, and other Christians that believed in the same things he did. The other 1.8% of the time he may have greeted or briefly talked to a non-believer, poor, or criminal in passing to show them that he was a nice guy.
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#23 Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 10:02 AM EST
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daveincincy wrote:
We all know that when Jesus walked the earth he spent 98.2% of his time eating and hanging out with the bible scholars, the law-abiders, the well-to-do upper-class, and other Christians that believed in the same things he did. The other 1.8% of the time he may have greeted or briefly talked to a non-believer, poor, or criminal in passing to show them that he was a nice guy.



Nice


Applause Applause








topper7788 Offline
#24 Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 1:14 PM EST
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I lived in the "bible belt" for 3 years, you gotta love em!!! Although I already know this is how most feel in Alabama, to see it said by a someone in his position is well kind of wild...davecincy said it well, nice post...

I'm just glad that ALL the major religions are so tolerant of each other!!! LOL....
Brewha Offline
#25 Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 4:42 PM EST
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Sorry, but his initial remarks seem constant with the Christian faith. “One way, through Christ” Doesn’t sound accepting or respectful to all peoples and faiths.
And I don’t think God is going to forsake the Jews and the rest of them because they didn’t get raised in the right faith.

Every time I hear a group saying they won the religious lottery by having ‘the only true faith’ my bullsh1t detector goes off . . . .
JadeRose Offline
#26 Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 5:03 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Sorry, but his initial remarks seem constant with the Christian faith. “One way, through Christ” Doesn’t sound accepting or respectful to all peoples and faiths.
And I don’t think God is going to forsake the Jews and the rest of them because they didn’t get raised in the right faith.

Every time I hear a group saying they won the religious lottery by having ‘the only true faith’ my bullsh1t detector goes off . . . .



I don't necessarily agree with this statement. Not all "branches " of the Christian faith are so intolerant. Certainly not all people who call themselves Christian. I happen to attend a church that basically says "This is what we believe. It may not be the only way to think but this is how we do it and all are welcome to give us a shot. If you don't like our thinking...well....thanks for stopping by." It suits me just fine.
HockeyDad Offline
#27 Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 5:06 PM EST
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God hasn't exactly given the Jews a whole lots of breaks.
donutboy2000 Offline
#28 Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 9:16 PM EST
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Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

John 14:6
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#29 Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 11:04 PM EST
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Everybody can say that they feel closer to their own people because of the common experience. It happens all the time. Of course, you can't say that if you're Christian.

It probably wasn't the wisest thing to say, but the original post would like to make it into a statement of intended discrimination.

There's a black caucus in the Congress. But if there were a Christian caucus...Herfing
rfenst Offline
#30 Posted: Fri, Jan 21 2011, 8:33 AM EST
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OldFart wrote:
Everybody can say that they feel closer to their own people because of the common experience. It happens all the time. Of course, you can't say that if you're Christian.

It probably wasn't the wisest thing to say, but the original post would like to make it into a statement of intended discrimination.

There's a black caucus in the Congress. But if there were a Christian caucus...Herfing



No. It is much simpler than that.
You shouldn't say that before or while you are a governor.
jetblasted Offline
#31 Posted: Sat, Jan 22 2011, 10:14 PM EST
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On his 1st day in office, the new Governor solidifies the notion that Alabama will continue to remain the laughing stock of the nation. "After all, we're talking about Alabama here" . . .
jpotts Offline
#32 Posted: Sun, Jan 23 2011, 12:15 AM EST
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rfenst wrote:
So, what is your point?



My point is: it seems that everyone has their panties in a bunch over what this guy has said, and are all outraged over his "intolerance."

Yet the people who go patting themselves on the back over their "tolerance," do a generally crappy job of running things. Detroit is a fine example of that.

And actually, "intolerant" isn't really the appropriate word to use. It is clear that the guy who made the statement is tolerant, bus doesn't accept other religions. Fine. I don't accept other religions either.

When my sister and brother-in-law got married, because my sister was Christian, they would not step foot in the church. That's not very accepting of another religion either.

Back in the old days, they said far worse. Yet somehow this nation survived it all, and even managed to ascend to greatness.

I guess the overall point is: stop being a bunch of candya**es.
jpotts Offline
#33 Posted: Sun, Jan 23 2011, 12:23 AM EST
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jetblasted wrote:
On his 1st day in office, the new Governor solidifies the notion that Alabama will continue to remain the laughing stock of the nation. "After all, we're talking about Alabama here" . . .



I'd like to point out that a lot of companies are relocating to places like Alabama. Mainly because they are more business-friendly.

Not that I'd like to move to Alabama - as it is so frickin' God-awful hot down there - but the only people to whom Alabama is a laughing-stock are the ones most likely to be downsized in a future economy.

By contrast, you might say that Michigan is a VERY tolerant state. You'd never hear the kind of nonsense from our former gov's lips. We've got lots of that namby-pamby, hypersensitive multiculturalism crap going on here.

People can't flee the state fast enough, and don't really want to come back. And I seriously doubt you can lay all the blame on our winters...
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#34 Posted: Sun, Jan 23 2011, 6:26 AM EST
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]donutboy2000


that is what john said jesus said. john may be full of cap.

hearsay, not acceptable in judge judy's court. if john can't be cross examined, what he says me be tainted.
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#35 Posted: Mon, Jan 24 2011, 3:22 PM EST
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John the Baptist got Jesus REALLY high. From what I hear, he had the best weed in town. But being that the govt made it illegal to use cannabis, both he and Jesus became marked men. I'd love to get high with both of them. Then we'd go wash off in the river and meet God.
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#36 Posted: Fri, Jan 28 2011, 9:11 AM EST
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dsmokers wrote:
John the Baptist got Jesus REALLY high. From what I hear, he had the best weed in town. But being that the govt made it illegal to use cannabis, both he and Jesus became marked men. I'd love to get high with both of them. Then we'd go wash off in the river and meet God.



It would take a nice toke of some really good **** to "see god"...

(Not that I would know.)
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#37 Posted: Sat, Jan 29 2011, 8:13 PM EST
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dsmokers wrote:
John the Baptist got Jesus REALLY high. From what I hear, he had the best weed in town. But being that the govt made it illegal to use cannabis, both he and Jesus became marked men. I'd love to get high with both of them. Then we'd go wash off in the river and meet God.



You don't tug on Superman's cape, You don't spit into the wind, You don't pull the mask off the old lone ranger and You don't mess around with slim.
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