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Atheist Philosopher Recants
eleltea Offline
#1 Posted:
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Dr Anthony Flew now believes in God. I'm not sure how to express what a big deal this is. I believe it may represent one of the seven seals of the apocalypse. Soon dogs and cats will begin sleeping with each other and Michael Moore will be publicly repeating the Pledge of Allegiance.

Any halfwit can jump up and down denouncing God, but for a half century professor Anthony Flew has been considered probably the number one living intellectual proponent of religious skepticism and atheism. If Madalyn Murray O'Hair had ever actually engaged in logical debate about atheism, it would have most likely been Anthony Flew's books she'd have read to bone up.

Now at age 81, Flew says he believes in some kind of God. Basically, over some period of time he's come to accept the "design" argument that says that there's simply too much complexity in DNA for life to have developed without some kind of intelligent guidance.

I'm thinking of a God very different from the God of the Christian and far and away from the God of Islam, because both are depicted as omnipotent Oriental despots, cosmic Saddam Husseins. It could be a person in the sense of a being that has intelligence and a purpose, I suppose.

That's still a long way from being a Christian, or believing in an afterlife. He would describe himself as a "deist," the same religious generalization prefered by Thomas Jefferson.

I'm not going so far as express positive belief in something that I don't understand like this, but I'm sympathetic to the underlying point. That is, fumbling Darwinian evolution really doesn't seem like a realistic explanation of the complexities of a human DNA.

Not having a good answer of my own does not, however, mean that I'm going to accept anyone else's. I don't know whether this change is a terrific example of someone keeping their mind engaged and willing to consider new arguments and evidence even into old age, or whether it simply indicates senility. I'll assume the former.

---Note: this is a cut and paste from a blog, not my words. I heard about Flew's change of mind from my favorite living philosopher, a self-described religious Jew, Dennis Prager, who also did not write the above. --llt
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#2 Posted:
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The "jury" is still out in regards to Flew's decision. Yes, he has attended Quaker meetings BUT he also has a book coming out early next year detailing his beliefs.

His change of heart goes back to a post that I put a link up in...http://www.secweb.org/asset.asp?AssetID=369..., where he states..."My one and only piece of relevant evidence [for an Aristotelian God] is the apparent impossibility of providing a naturalistic theory of the origin from DNA of the first reproducing species ... [In fact] the only reason which I have for beginning to think of believing in a First Cause god is the impossibility of providing a naturalistic account of the origin of the first reproducing organisms."

Remember this famous atheist philosopher has denounced God against some of the brightest minds and stood his ground...Rick are you listening...http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41892
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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eleltea

first i have listened to dennis prager on the radio, not through my tin foil hat. he is as much an **** is medved and the rest of the talking mouths on 870 on your am dial in los angeles.

second. as they say " there are no athiests in fox holes", i don't know if they still say that, but he is getting ready to die and is hedging his bets.
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DrMaddVibe

i am here and listening.

i have spent the last ew hours trying to formulate some basic differences between creationists and evolutionists, and because of my psycic ability i not only found this thread, but i have caused a two hour movie dealing with subject to appear on the science channel. i am watching it and taping it at the same time.

if you doubt my psycic ability, and my ability to make things happen, be careful, i may send the plague on your house.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#5 Posted:
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No...No...anything but that...please no more Bad Frogs...PLEASE!!!
THL Offline
#6 Posted:
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second. as they say " there are no athiests in fox holes", i don't know if they still say that, but he is getting ready to die and is hedging his bets.

Mae West went to visit W.C. Fields, an avowed atheist, in his last days at the hospital. When she entered the room she saw that he was reading a Bible.
She exclaimed, "Why Bill, you old hypocrite, what are you doing with that Bible?!?!"
To which Bill replied,"Looking for a loophole , my dear, looking for a loophole."
eleltea Offline
#7 Posted:
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Rick, Flew is not a foxhole convert. He does not believe in an afterlife nor a personal god.

Comparing Prager to Medved is, like comparisons in general, odorous. Nothing to discuss there I'm afraid.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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eleltea

still i enjoy a not discussion with you better then i do with most people.
eleltea Offline
#9 Posted:
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Thanks, I think, Mr. Miller.
dapperdan Offline
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psycic ability, I found it too . Good night ol buddy
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