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Are Right-Wingers Simply Stuck in Adolescence?
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PETER MICHAELSON FOR BUZZFLASH AT TRUTHOUT

Not every modern conservative had a grandpa who made moonshine whiskey. With no family history of being pursued by federal revenuers, where does their extreme dislike of government come from?

The mentality is expressed succinctly in a reader's comment about a recent article I wrote:

Conservatives simply want the Federal government to back-off. We don't need any elitist Washingtonians telling us what to eat, what to drive, how to illuminate our homes or educate our children. Real oppression comes from a nanny-state Federal government. The Federal government should focus on its constitutional purpose of defending the nation and enabling interstate commerce.

We can all agree that elitist Washingtonians, whoever they are, are the devil's own brood. But we don't usually think of nannies that way. Yet we're just now discovering (thank you, Scott Walker) how nefarious our teachers are. Have we overlooked the nanny threat? As Glenn Beck has probably noted, the word does rhyme with canny.

Okay, for the moment let's concede that the federal government is a nanny, a mean mother-figure who pushes us around. What about corporations? They can get pushy, too. To paraphrase the reader's comment above, corporations determine what many of us eat (adulterated, genetically modified foods), produce what many of us drive (gas guzzlers), and sell what many of us use to illuminate our homes (inefficient light bulbs).

Corporations also determine whether we can borrow money, what interest we'll pay, whether we'll get health insurance (oops, federal government just saved us there), whether our democracy will survive, whether the middle class will survive, and whether the earth will survive.

So bullying is good when corporations do it, bad when government does it. Conservatives say they can tolerate little government-but not BIG government. Come now, this government Godzilla is just a right-winger's diversion. What conservatives hate is not big government but good government. Good government is the triumph of democracy and common humanity, which clashes with the conservative's worship of grandiose individualism and lust for power.

That's just one reason conservatives make government out to be the enemy. Another is the conservative propaganda machine, which on behalf of the elite spins the American dream as the story of personal and corporate wealth. This propaganda has been called "the most sophisticated, deeply funded and precisely orchestrated public relations system ever concocted," which means-to give credit where it's due-the Koch brothers are geniuses.

There may be a deeper reason yet for this anti-government feeling: Conservatives are, psychologically speaking, adolescents or teenagers going through stage five of the psychosocial stages of development. It's a stage of rebellion against parental authority.

Each human goes through eight stages of psychosocial development, according to noted psychoanalyst and developmental psychologist Erik Erickson (1902-1994). As I see it, humanity also goes through corresponding stages that reflect evolution and growing consciousness. As a psychosocial history of humanity, the stages outline a progression from primitive beasts to, in stage eight, the attainment of human destiny where our better nature is realized.

The consciousness of collective, historical humanity appears to be passing through the middle stages (four, five, and six). In my opinion (and I would be surprised if all conservatives agreed), liberals and progressives are plodding along in stage six, while our conservative brothers and sisters are tagging along behind in stage five.

According to Erikson, teenage rebellion is normal and it occurs during the fifth stage from ages 12 and 19. As one mother said about her normal kids, "They were easy babies. The terrible twos weren't so terrible at all. Even grade school was a snap. They were healthy, they liked school, and they had an easy time making friends." But once they became teenagers, arguments ensued about curfews, cars, clothes and companions. "Lots of slammed doors, rolled eyes, and cold silences!"

Conservatives are rebelling against the federal government on the basis of the role it plays in their psyche. Just like mommy and daddy, that big bad federal government tells them what they can and can't do. Nothing symbolizes parents like the federal government. Like parents, the government represents power over us. Teenagers experience, at least in part, parental power as oppressive, the same way that adults with a teenage mentality can feel about their government. The Tea Party rebellion is a teenage rebellion.

Good parents or not, many teenagers are going to rebel, just as many adults in Erikson's fifth stage of psychosocial development will rebel against a symbol of parental authority. As President Obama said, he doesn't take it personally.

Erikson coined the term "identity crisis" to describe the inner turmoil we face while trying to sort out our changing and developing experience of the world. Conservatives have been thrown into a massive identity crisis by changing demographics, economic uncertainly, revolutionary cultural changes, and perceived threats to their beliefs. White, Christian conservatives have the added benefit of assimilating a black man (and suspected Muslim alien) as father figure.

Most kids get through this fifth stage and into the sixth-young adulthood-where they're becoming more mature. With sympathy and understanding, we can help conservatives move through stage five. Otherwise, they're apt to hold us all back.
fishinguitarman Offline
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Would somebody read all this and summarize?


I'm tired and half lit....going to bed....
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Thanks Rick...now go back and read the 8 years worth of crap you posted during W.

JACKWAGON!
wheelrite Offline
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fishinguitarman wrote:
Would somebody read all this and summarize?


I'm tired and half lit....going to bed....



I think it means Rick wants a Republican teenage boyfriend...
HockeyDad Offline
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It is a windbag way of saying "Our way is correct and if you don't agree you're just a teenager."

or.....




POOPIE!
ZRX1200 Offline
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Here FGM:
ricky made a c&p poopy.
Why do canservatives hate big govt but love corporations?
Lib comparison not based in reality.
Tea party and conservatives are children and were better than them and they should die.
Rick you seriously agree with the whole article? Parts could be argued, but its really mostly crap.
dpnewell Offline
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Further proof that Ricky is still living in the Twilight Zone.
donutboy2000 Offline
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Impeach the serial killer

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Obama now !
jackconrad Offline
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Rick is ,"America's Oldest Teeny Bopper!",.
MACS Offline
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Conversely, the liberal douchebags who WANT the big government bullspit... still want to live under mommy and daddy's roof and have everything paid for instead of moving out and DOING FOR THEMSELVES.

Who are the teenagers, Rick? The folks who want to suckle at the teat or the folks who want to do for themselves and make their brothers and sisters do the same?

horse

horse
ZRX1200 Offline
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MACS that was just a dull hook to get to the "They're stupid and need to die" punchline....
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Are Left-Wingers Simply Stuck In The Crib?
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This has to be tongue in cheek. No rational human being could possibly believe this cr@p.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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MACS

in 1963 i stopped working for anyone else and
all the money i have made since then was on commission only.
no guarantee of pay except what i earned by my own sweat and work ethic.

any teats i suckled were in passion.

both of my sons in their mid 40's are self employed, married once and own their own homes.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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ZRX1200

that's the second time you referred to poopie.

do you think about people's colons constantly
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DrMaddVibe 3

let me refresh your memory. gwb was and remains a psychopath.
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dpnewell 7


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b5aW08ivHU
tailgater Offline
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RICKAMAVEN wrote:
MACS

in 1963 i stopped working for anyone else and
all the money i have made since then was on commission only.
no guarantee of pay except what i earned by my own sweat and work ethic.

any teats i suckled were in passion.

both of my sons in their mid 40's are self employed, married once and own their own homes.


Rick,
Your family sounds like a great group of conservatives.

Bravo!
ZRX1200 Offline
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Weak deflection and typical response from you.
POOPIE!
HockeyDad Offline
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tailgater wrote:
Rick,
Your family sounds like a great group of conservatives.

Bravo!




Oh no he did'ent!
DrMaddVibe Offline
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It's twue...it's twue!!!
MACS Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
Oh no he did'ent!

Giddyup!
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Rick is this on your street?

http://www.fox8.com/news/nationworld/ktla-santa-ana-110-cats,0,4911943.story?track=rss

Might explain a lot.
Lumpa Offline
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To put this in a serious context:

There are numerous flaws in this (I suspect he is actually being facetious but being the smartest person in any room he doesn't think we'll get it) argument. Let's look just at the most glaring two.

One
Michaelson cites that "The consciousness of collective, historical humanity" appears to be blahblah…
I'm sorry, the wha?
What an amorphous, diverse, impossible to measure thing that must be!
Does a headhunter from an as-yet undisturbed deep-amazon indian tribe get more weight or less weight in the collective consciousness than you and me? What about the woman who cooked her baby last week? Stephen Hawking?
And who said Peter Michaelson is qualified to make any judgement whatsover about either the grand collective consciousness of humanity or any of the segments thereof?

Peter Michaelson, that's who!
The qualifications he chooses to tell prospective clients on his web site:
>>>>>>>>>
I am a former journalist and science writer and, since the mid-1980s, a therapist, author, and teacher. My method is based on powerful knowledge that exposes how, in our psyche, we hold on to unresolved negative emotions that create unhappiness and limit our potential.

I have recently opened a new practice in Ann Arbor, MI (734-222-1499), and I do telephone sessions with clients throughout the United States and Canada. I uncover and write about major aspects of human nature that the psychological establishment overlooks.
<<<<<<

That is the entire contents of the “about” page on his site.
I’m sure he just assumes that his medical degrees are just to mundane for us to be interested in. Or his psychology degree. Sociology anyone? I wouldn’t be shocked if he does indeed have a Journalism or English degree, from some halfass liberal arts college.

But when I look for someone to take advice from all I really care about is that THEY know they are smaht. Wicked smaht is even bettah.

Two
Comparing a group (in this case conservatives vs EVERYOBODY ELSE) to an individual and the government to his parents, in the context of human psycho-developmental stages just does not make sense. An individual (particularly in this example a teenager) knows that they will grow and change, and usually is eager to overstep the bounds of current age and into the “freedom” of adulthood. The angst of being held back in the case of individuals is often just simply impatience that gets expressed as “anger towards parent”, but in reality is just plain old frustration. The most annoying thing of this is the attachment of “parent” to government. First off, parents are SUPPOSED TO completely control their children at birth, slowly giving the child autonomy until eventually that autonomy is complete (parent dies). If this article is telling me, by calling government my parents, the government will someday just completely leave me alone, then THANK GOD! But it is not. It fails to acknowledge the fact that government does not follow a life cycle like us human beings do, or that parents have not only more right to intrude on the lives of children than does government, but the obligation to do so. I find the use of "parent and adolescent" as terms for "government and citizens" to be a revelation as to the mind set of this particular liberal. That mindset being "people are generally not completely capable of making their own decisions and being responsible for their actions, so government should help them with the decisions when it can and protect them from consequences when they are 'too harsh' ".

Furthermore, an individual KNOWs that there are different stages to life, and that it will eventually progress into and through those stages. We all knew we were gonna be able to drive, then vote, then get a real job, kids, house, middle age, (hopefully) retirement, and dirt nap. And that it all occurs on a strait-line ever-progressing time continuum. The “consciousness of society” does not know ANY of that. Society segments, goes backwards, is different things in different places, and has neither the simple construct of timeline nor unifying mind to even HAVE consciousness.

It is like calling a bee hive a brain.

Thank you Rick for putting this out there.
CLASSIC liberal smarterthanyouholierthanthou bullchit.
snowwolf777 Offline
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[Peter Michaelson, that's who!
The qualifications he chooses to tell prospective clients on his web site:
>>>>>>>>>
I am a former journalist and science writer and, since the mid-1980s, a therapist, author, and teacher. My method is based on powerful knowledge that exposes how, in our psyche, we hold on to unresolved negative emotions that create unhappiness and limit our potential.

I have recently opened a new practice in Ann Arbor, MI (734-222-1499), and I do telephone sessions with clients throughout the United States and Canada. I uncover and write about major aspects of human nature that the psychological establishment overlooks.


Journalist, science writer, (telephone) therapist, author, teacher, barista, lawn care expert, and international man of mystery. Surprised he hasn't gotten the Nobel Prize for his ground-breaking "research" yet.

Lumpa Offline
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What a putz.

If you wanna say things like
I think life should be easier for everyone,
negative consequences should be partially (or fully) covered by society rather than the individual
etc.
etc.

Fine.
Say it.
I even agreed with a lot of it at one point.

Then we can have a discussion about society's priorities, unintended moral consequence, etc.

But don't try to put yourself on a psuedo academic/intellectual pedestal, while attempting to belittle those who disagree with you.

And if that's what you want to do, you gotta bring A LOT more than this guy did.

Kawak Offline
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According to surveys most peenis' lean to the left... Bored
wheelrite Offline
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Kawak wrote:
According to surveys most peenis' lean to the left... Bored


not mine,,,

long and straight.Like my golf shots,,,
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RICKAMAVEN wrote:
MACS

in 1963 i stopped working for anyone else and
all the money i have made since then was on commission only.
no guarantee of pay except what i earned by my own sweat and work ethic.

any teats i suckled were in passion.

both of my sons in their mid 40's are self employed, married once and own their own homes.


Then how in the world do you buy into the Liberal BS you constantly spew????


RICKAMAVEN Offline
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tailgater 18

me a conservative? i never suspected.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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You're preaching what you practice.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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Kawak 27

i think you are confusing what a tailor asks when custom
making a pair of pants. do you dress left or right? meaning
which leg of your pants do you put your ****. that way he can
tell which leg to leave a little more room


i spelled it p e n i s and it got censored.

le's try d ic k.
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elk hunter 29

the way i live my life does not exclude rachmones for others
incapable of fending for themselves.


Rachmones - Compassions, mercy, pity;
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Wish not want not!horse
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wheelrite 28

there once was a man from trent
whose **** was so long it was bent

to save himself trouble
he put it in double

instead of coming, he went.

DrMaddVibe Offline
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LOL!!!
snowwolf777 Offline
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RICKAMAVEN wrote:
elk hunter 29

the way i live my life does not exclude rachmones for others
incapable of fending for themselves.


Rachmones - Compassions, mercy, pity;



I think we're almost there Rick.

I don't believe for a second there is anyone on this board who would disagree with your statement, and most conduct their lives in a similar manner.

Where it gets lost in all these debates is there is a group of us who don't like be told by the Federal Government who we WILL have rachmones for. And then pay for it with our tax dollars. As an example, The Cowboy Poetry Festival in Nevada. I don't have much rachomones for it. But it had Harry "the mummy" Reid all sad and worried a couple days ago because the awful Republicans wanted to cut their Federal handout. Same for the Neon Sign Graveyard, and the catfish genome project, and a whole lot of other ratholes have nada to do with rachmones.

Finally, I cannot find it written anywhere in the Constitution that because of the way someone decides to conduct their life - let's say for the sake of argument they have mutliple children out of wedlock while living in poverty - that I am responsible to pay for it.

I must pay for it, but I have no input prior to the issue being created, nor do I really have any input going forward. Because I will be told this is America, and they're free to have as many kids as they want while living in abject poverty. So butt out. Except of course for footing the bill. In fact, go work some overtime, 'cause we need to raise taxes again.

Have a great weekend!



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Illiberal lefty socialists simply don't value FREEDOM.



Brick wall
jpotts Offline
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RICKAMAVEN wrote:


Not every modern conservative had a grandpa who made moonshine whiskey. With no family history of being pursued by federal revenuers, where does their extreme dislike of government come from?



King George, Adolph Hitler, and Josef Stalin.

Consequently, that's where liberals' love of big government comes from...
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snowwolf777 37

very interesting point you brought up.

i saw an interview with a women in her mid 30's single, one child, who works full time doing
something with computers. no food stamps no aid, she can handle what she dealt herself.

she had a sister about 6 or 7 and she was 9 or 10. no father, mother died, her family decided to
raise them but they were in two different homes, both aunts or uncles. she and her sister lived
near each other so sthey were still a close group.

her sister apparently was a jerk and had 8 kids and just died.

she didn't want the kids to be spread out all over the place and not be a family so she either
adopted them all or just moved them all into her home. i believe she is buying the home so she
doesn't have to deal with more people in the home then the landlord would have allowed.

we of course, are now paying for the kids food stamps, and whatever the state gives her to help her.

so what should we do, you and i, break up the family or give her a few bucks to keep them
together. she will wash them and dress them, and feed them and raise them, with a little financial
help from us.

so, what do you want to do about the problem?
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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Stinkdyr 38

define freedom if you can.


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jpotts 39

once again you make no sense, king george the first or what, and hitler did not have nor did stalin
have a big government. they had one man rule and a bunch of flunkies.

try to make more sense next time.

you are excused.
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snowwolf777

i almost forgot, F' The Cowboy Poetry Festival in Nevada.

cowboys smell bad, nevada is to hot and i only like elizabeth barret browning and doroty parker's
work
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DrMaddVibe

i'll bet you like ****, but that's a little much
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RICKAMAVEN wrote:
snowwolf777 37

very interesting point you brought up.

i saw an interview with a women in her mid 30's single, one child, who works full time doing
something with computers. no food stamps no aid, she can handle what she dealt herself.

she had a sister about 6 or 7 and she was 9 or 10. no father, mother died, her family decided to
raise them but they were in two different homes, both aunts or uncles. she and her sister lived
near each other so sthey were still a close group.

her sister apparently was a jerk and had 8 kids and just died.

she didn't want the kids to be spread out all over the place and not be a family so she either
adopted them all or just moved them all into her home. i believe she is buying the home so she
doesn't have to deal with more people in the home then the landlord would have allowed.

we of course, are now paying for the kids food stamps, and whatever the state gives her to help her.

so what should we do, you and i, break up the family or give her a few bucks to keep them
together. she will wash them and dress them, and feed them and raise them, with a little financial
help from us.

so, what do you want to do about the problem?


Rick - You cite a case where compassion is justified. THe woman who adopted/fostered these children didn't create the situation - she's trying to fix it.

I adopted a little girl who came from a teenage mother who spent her income from the strip club on drugs and alcohol. And collected food stamps, had a bridge card, and free medical. She also drove a nice car, wore nice clothes, had a big-screen TV, the best cell phone available from the era, a gaming system, and a collection of DVD movies larger than I would ever own. Because her income is all off the books. No taxes, no social security paid.

I really didn't want to be a dad again in my late 40s. But I couldn't sleep at night worrying about this child. She is now off all public assistance, because my other kids are grown and I work for a living, so I can take care of her. Her mom still sucks down public assistance, earned income credit, food stamps, free medical, etc.

I have compassion for the child. I have none for the mother.

I change nothing in my opinion that if you can't afford to take care of yourself, why in the hell are you pumping out kids? Especially when one of the benefits you can get free - or next to free - is birth control. A couple bucks in any gas station men's room can stop you from bringing a child into this world.

Other than you and both being historic pot-stirrers on this forum, I don't think we're all that far apart in our compassion for those who truly need it. I'd smoke a Bad Frog with you anytime.
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RICKAMAVEN wrote:
DrMaddVibe

i'll bet you like ****, but that's a little much



I LOVE ****'s!

Especially with sprinkles and powdered sugar on top.

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