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Papachristou Offline
#1 Posted: Mon, Apr 4 2011, 11:29 AM EST
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My uncle-in-law or whatever that makes him came into my humble town of 10,000 this weekend to bring his baby boy to see his aunt. While visiting, he went to the store. He came to a stop sign, made a complete stop, saw an officer down the street then proceeded to pull out. The officer promptly pulled him over. He thoroughly questioned him on why he drove 3 hours to my city and what was he "really" doing here and did he even have a baby or was that an act? Then wrote him a ticket for not stopping at the sign. When he told the officer that he had even seen him down the street and made sure to stop completely, the officer replied, well yes you did but you didnt wait three seconds before proceeding...... a few months ago i was pulled over and questioned thoroughly by an officer for about 15 minutes without cause. When i asked him what his cause for pulling me over after making a turn (and using my blinker) he said, i did not "maintain control of the right hand lane long enough before moving to the left lane" i thought ARE YOU EFFING KIDDING ME!?!?!!? i maintained calm though and apologized for my ignorance and asked for mercy. he promptly pulled out his ticket book.

my point to my rant is, it seems (in my area at least) that officers have forgotten it is their job to serve and protect. serve coming first in that statement.

i also want to vent that we have 25+ full time local officers + part timers, county HQ and state police HQ. the upside is, there is no crime Think oh and because the crown vics werent very fuel efficient, and the dodge chargers they just got get a staggering 12.3mpg the way they drive them, they went out and got 4 brand new tahoes! it seems we are spending ourselves into oblivian horse
Lumpa Offline
#2 Posted: Mon, Apr 4 2011, 11:55 AM EST
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Sounds to me like the pd is a local revenue center. My experience is
that a donation to the benevolent assoc. (that getls you a window sticker)
is a wise investment in such locales.

A round every now and then at the local cop bar may also show a good return.
Gene363 Offline
#3 Posted: Mon, Apr 4 2011, 12:05 PM EST
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Lumpa wrote:
Sounds to me like the pd is a local revenue center. My experience is
that a donation to the benevolent assoc. (that getls you a window sticker)
is a wise investment in such locales.

A round every now and then at the local cop bar may also show a good return.


From a SC State Trooper I went to school with, "Those charities are total BS and if you think I'm not going to write a ticket because you have one of their stickers you better think twice. Just obey the law and you won't have to worry." Cool
Papachristou Offline
#4 Posted: Mon, Apr 4 2011, 12:10 PM EST
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Yep, I dont waste money on those
DrafterX Offline
#5 Posted: Mon, Apr 4 2011, 12:15 PM EST
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steal one of those little badges off someone's license plate... those are respected a little more... Mellow
Stinkdyr Offline
#6 Posted: Mon, Apr 4 2011, 1:39 PM EST
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Papa, if you weren't black, you wouldn't have these problems.

Herfing
teedubbya Offline
#7 Posted: Mon, Apr 4 2011, 1:56 PM EST
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Burn a box of doughnuts in front of the copshop and see what happens.
daveincincy Offline
#8 Posted: Mon, Apr 4 2011, 2:46 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
steal one of those little badges off someone's license plate... those are respected a little more... Mellow


Meh...I was told (by an officeur of de lul) those might only work if an immediate family member is a cop (i.e. spouse, father, brother, etc...not friend or distant relative)
Papachristou Offline
#9 Posted: Mon, Apr 4 2011, 3:16 PM EST
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Yeah, I keep looking for the Greek American box to check but I can't find it! And I always press option three to hear instructions in Greek but the line always goes dead!?!?!
borndead1 Offline
#10 Posted: Mon, Apr 4 2011, 4:12 PM EST
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH0UuyNTakY
wheelrite Offline
#11 Posted: Mon, Apr 4 2011, 4:58 PM EST
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Cops get Weed for free !!!
rfenst Offline
#12 Posted: Tue, Apr 5 2011, 3:24 AM EST
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What you and your uncle have experienced is known as a "pretextual stop". They are illegal.

You have no obligation under either example you gave to answer any questions from the officer. Fifth Amendment.
DadZilla3 Offline
#13 Posted: Tue, Apr 5 2011, 3:46 AM EST
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Gene363 wrote:
From a SC State Trooper I went to school with, "Those charities are total BS and if you think I'm not going to write a ticket because you have one of their stickers you better think twice. Just obey the law and you won't have to worry." Cool


Name dropping doesn't work too well either, at least with Pennsylvania Sate Police with folks who've blatantly crossed the line with a violation:

'Yes I know him, and I never did like that guy'.
Gene363 Offline
#14 Posted: Tue, Apr 5 2011, 6:08 AM EST
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rfenst wrote:
What you and your uncle have experienced is known as a "pretextual stop". They are illegal.

You have no obligation under either example you gave to answer any questions from the officer. Fifth Amendment.


Yup, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
Stinkdyr Offline
#15 Posted: Tue, Apr 5 2011, 7:35 AM EST
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"I wasn't gonna run from the cops...."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsvLUvHS-aQ
topper7788 Offline
#16 Posted: Tue, Apr 5 2011, 9:49 AM EST
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I used to live in a small upscale town that had it's own police force.. If you lived in the community you received a sticker that you put on your rear bumper which let the police know you "belonged" there.. Everyone know that if you didn't have this little sticker ALL traffic laws would be enforced with a zero tolerance. Example, 2 miles over the limit would most certainly get you pulled over... And heaven help a minority driving through in an old beat up vehicle ! He/she better be heading to someone's house to work or they where going to have some explaining to do!

You would then be asked what you where doing there? The wrong answer would probably earn you a 2nd ticket... needless to say everyone would warn guests to be careful! Residents were "warned" and very rarely ticketed

Up in the Orlando metro is a town called Windermere, everyone including the residents know traffic laws are strictly enforced ! But the deal is equally enforced!

In both of these cases, the officer is not being a jerk, he is just following policy and instructions. Of course get pulled over and told your getting a ticket for doing 38 in a 35 and you may not feel that way. d'oh!
tailgater Offline
#17 Posted: Tue, Apr 5 2011, 11:02 AM EST
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I never get tickets.
I think it's my ample cleavage.
DrafterX Offline
#18 Posted: Tue, Apr 5 2011, 11:10 AM EST
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I thought I was gonna get a ticket in Florida back in January... damn sheriffs were camped out on I-10 every other mile it seemed.... had the cruise set on 75 and one came flying up on me and prolly ran my tag and stuff.. I kept the cruise set on 75 the whole time tho.. figured if I slowed down it would be like an admission of guilt and if he pulled me over I'd just argue my speedometer was off or somethin... he finally turned around without hasssling me... Mellow
Papachristou Offline
#19 Posted: Tue, Apr 5 2011, 11:45 AM EST
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topper7788 wrote:
I used to live in a small upscale town that had it's own police force.. If you lived in the community you received a sticker that you put on your rear bumper which let the police know you "belonged" there.. Everyone know that if you didn't have this little sticker ALL traffic laws would be enforced with a zero tolerance. Example, 2 miles over the limit would most certainly get you pulled over... And heaven help a minority driving through in an old beat up vehicle ! He/she better be heading to someone's house to work or they where going to have some explaining to do!

You would then be asked what you where doing there? The wrong answer would probably earn you a 2nd ticket... needless to say everyone would warn guests to be careful! Residents were "warned" and very rarely ticketed

Up in the Orlando metro is a town called Windermere, everyone including the residents know traffic laws are strictly enforced ! But the deal is equally enforced!

In both of these cases, the officer is not being a jerk, he is just following policy and instructions. Of course get pulled over and told your getting a ticket for doing 38 in a 35 and you may not feel that way. d'oh!


case and point. why would it be "policy" to harrass citizens? we are all americans whether i come from Windermere or clearwater. an officers job is to serve, assist and protect citizens from REAL criminals. true threats, not someone driving 38 in a 35 or not waiting three seconds at a stop sign. that is beyond unrealistic. not only that, for your average american, especially lower to middle income, that ticket can drastically raise their insurance causing a domino effect on their life. but some of these young cops are brainwashed into believing this nonsense. i couldnt give a ticket to someone for one of the above offenses in my right mind or keep a straight face when they asked me why and i had to say "ma'am, you didnt wait three seconds before proceeding through the stop sign that only 23 people go through all day" get a life.....

on top of all that, why do our cities especially smaller ones have such large forces? and SWAT teams? we are a humble town of 10,000. 25 officers puts us at 1 officer to every 400 people. cities with real crime like LA, new york etc have one officer to every 5000! we wonder why our states and federal government are bankrupt, here is a classic example told hundreds of times over throughout the US.
Papachristou Offline
#20 Posted: Tue, Apr 5 2011, 11:47 AM EST
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rfenst wrote:
What you and your uncle have experienced is known as a "pretextual stop". They are illegal.

You have no obligation under either example you gave to answer any questions from the officer. Fifth Amendment.


yes i am aware but in unforunate reality that is this town, as many towns described above, you answer or get a stack of tickets or possibly even jail. all he has to do is say you were weaving, he doesnt need proof to write you a ticket. then how are you going to fight it? its his word versus yours.
topper7788 Offline
#21 Posted: Tue, Apr 5 2011, 12:24 PM EST
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Papachristou wrote:
case and point. why would it be "policy" to harrass citizens? we are all americans whether i come from Windermere or clearwater. an officers job is to serve, assist and protect citizens from REAL criminals. true threats, not someone driving 38 in a 35 or not waiting three seconds at a stop sign. that is beyond unrealistic. not only that, for your average american, especially lower to middle income, that ticket can drastically raise their insurance causing a domino effect on their life. but some of these young cops are brainwashed into believing this nonsense. i couldnt give a ticket to someone for one of the above offenses in my right mind or keep a straight face when they asked me why and i had to say "ma'am, you didnt wait three seconds before proceeding through the stop sign that only 23 people go through all day" get a life.....

on top of all that, why do our cities especially smaller ones have such large forces? and SWAT teams? we are a humble town of 10,000. 25 officers puts us at 1 officer to every 400 people. cities with real crime like LA, new york etc have one officer to every 5000! we wonder why our states and federal government are bankrupt, here is a classic example told hundreds of times over throughout the US.


I didn't say I agree, but it is what it is... Both towns that I mentioned the policies are set by the town government as far as Parkland Fl is concerned where I used to live, they no longer have a town police dept they turned over llaw enforcement to the county and that zero tolarance policy is basically gone. I can say it was popular with the residents as the town police where basically a private police department and kept thing very safe..

Getting s ticket for stoping less than 3 seconds sounds like taking things a bit to far to say the least. I have received tickets on my bike for rediculas reasons in the past from police officers that just didnt like bikes and were basically dicks... Again, it is what it is..... In truth, I have been "let go" for a infraction I have been clearly guilty of way more than given tickets that I shouldn't have been given... Of course the ones I shouldn't have been given get all the conversation! I have also noticed the gray'er my hair has become the less likely I am to be given a ticket. One advantage of age I guess?
rfenst Offline
#22 Posted: Tue, Apr 5 2011, 12:32 PM EST
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topper7788 wrote:
Up in the Orlando metro is a town called Windermere, everyone including the residents know traffic laws are strictly enforced ! But the deal is equally enforced!



Really? The Chief of Police was recently arrested interfering and covering up a rape investigations of one of his close friends. As more and more info came out, officers were deleting and failing to issue traffic citations. Now there are allegations of significant financial impropriety and perhaps several officers are going to do serious time in prison.
topper7788 Offline
#23 Posted: Tue, Apr 5 2011, 12:45 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Really? The Chief of Police was recently arrested interfering and covering up a rape investigations of one of his close friends. As more and more info came out, officers were deleting and failing to issue traffic citations. Now there are allegations of significant financial impropriety and perhaps several officers are going to do serious time in prison.


Wow!! That is certainly interesting.....I have a buddy that's lives their, and I was always warned about their enforcement policies...
dubleuhb Offline
#24 Posted: Tue, Apr 5 2011, 1:24 PM EST
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I get pulled over quit a bit because i work friday and saturday nights and am driving home about the times bars close.
I always ask for the reason for the stop, really not worried because i'm not drunk and my vehicle is in order. They hate
being asked why and i get some stupid reason like you driving on the shoulder or i thought you had a light out. All they
are doing is trolling for cash here, trying to find a drunk or two, something to get revenue. It really sucks but i never get
a ticket, after pullin a 12-14 hr shift i just want to get home. I have made a couple calls to the local LEO's HQ. but
all i get is the runaround and fluff. That cop asking and questioning about his story with the child is a bit much, that may
have got me in trouble. Nothing like being called a liar when your telling the truth.
DrafterX Offline
#25 Posted: Tue, Apr 5 2011, 1:26 PM EST
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^ next time tell him you know Ram..... Mellow
elk hunter Offline
#26 Posted: Tue, Apr 5 2011, 1:36 PM EST
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I was cited for 45 in a 35 a little over a week ago... When the Officer pulled me over, he said that he Lazered me at 47... I saw him sitting there and looked down at the speedo, and it read just under 45 probably 43 MPH... I expressed that though I WAS speeding, my speedo read closer to 43-44 MPH... By him signing the ticket that he wrote for 45 MPH, he is setting himself up for trouble... If were to take it to court, he would either have to lie to the court, or admit that he falsified a document... Either way, he is a liar....

Am I wrong?
DrafterX Offline
#27 Posted: Tue, Apr 5 2011, 1:39 PM EST
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elk hunter wrote:
Either way, he is a liar....

Am I wrong?




your word against his..... you'll end up looking bad... I've seen it happen more than once.. Mellow
elk hunter Offline
#28 Posted: Tue, Apr 5 2011, 1:41 PM EST
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Not going to court... At the end of the day, I was speeding... I learned a long time ago to take my lumps and move on... LOL
Papachristou Offline
#29 Posted: Tue, Apr 5 2011, 2:13 PM EST
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it is my understanding, they do have to produce their daily calibration sheet and the laser reading from the time you were cited if you fight it in court.
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