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It seems Rah wanted some revenge, so he sent me a Mark Twain box chalk-full-O-goodies!

Check out the Cohiba on top, I found it......"interesting" as I have not seen a Dominican Cohiba with a band like that before. If you look closely the band has 4 round dots, not the typical 5 small squares. As well as recent Dominican Cohiba's forgo the black/yellow band altogether......The glue on the back side of the band was weird as well...It was not glued all the way to the end of the band.i.e. there was a flap of unglued band band on the back...And the cello was loose....



On the other hand the Joya "Fuerte" was nice, I'll have to pick up box of these. And the Trinidad was nice too....

There's another company besides General Cigar (makers of the "red dot" Cohibas) that produces DR Cohibas, "Montekristi" or something like that (I'm serious that's the name of the company) which have yellow bands and aren't supposed to be sold off of the island. It could be one of those. Or, it could be yet another manufacturer or vendor slapping that name on a cigar just to sell it. As for the cello, meh, don't worry about it - they probably just ran out of the right size, which happens sometimes at the smaller places.

No such thing as a box of JdN Fuerte. They are mazo only. Quite possibly the best $2 full-bodied bundle cigar out there.

I was in DR recently and saw some Cohiba's like that.

Doing good bro. Congrats on the bambino!!!

wtf?

why would you knowingly buy a fake cohiba for $10?

HA HA Just noticed this pic. See all those dingle berries so busy bashing me and MARK TWAIN sticks they never took the time to simply open the lid. Now I have to find all those other members besides yourself and Gimbel that I have "pulled the rug out from under" and leached cigars off of with no return gesture at all.

I got that COHIBA in a dying smoke shop. Place used to boom with business and offer everything. Now the best thing they got going is being able to pay your utility bills their. Just had one slide door humi left working with about 10 boxes filled with the odds and ends of what remains of 3 big humidor cases. Never smoked a COHIBA. All I know it was probably sitting their for years, was the last one, and was thrown in a variety box with other left over singles. He actually had one, nearly full, and new looking, box of regular green/gold labeled Macanudo's. I said Na. If I never like 'em..

Got more Joya's at a real smoke shop. They are good. I'm still putting together your MARK TWAIN No.2 box. Have a good weekend.

The world is waiting to know??? The only sure way is to torch the turd and you declare, is it debunk, or does it make the grade. Only you would know for certain. And I can head back their next time I am in Bellevue and bust the old shysters balls with a hammer for labeling bogus sticks, if it is bogus. What's the word?

They won't let me post a pic here because I am a pic posting virgin. Used the phrase, MOTHERFU^KER' in it as well so I don't think it will get the stamp of approval. Anyway, this COHIBA could be as fake as my grandma's teeth. Didn't see any DOT referrals on line when it comes to labels. Only way I could find to check is to see if the stick is triple capped. If not, then it is bogus. The stick has been sitting their for years. Humidor looks like home made book shelve inside a generic sliding glass door showcase. Since it was mixed in with other scrap it has probably been handled more then the owners little thang between his legs. Next time I am their I will visit him with any proof I can find, and see if he wants to refund my $4.50 or give me a 'real' COHIBA. Would ask you to send it back but it wouldn't be worth the postage. SUMBITCH!! Give it a try. If unsmokeable then just pitch the bitch.

I feel bad you have scrap like that to smoke after I just finished a sweet PADILLA MIAMI Robusto. Well, not really.

SO SO SORRY, BOSS!

BITE ME.

lol Rah.

I could care less about you sending fake cigars because I don't think you know any better....and that is not a diss on you. Some people just can't tell or don't know what the base "real" cigar actually "should" look like. We agree that you smoke it, if it's good...cool, if it sucks....toss it. I give you props for the package regardless of the Cohiba.

What does piss me off is that you didnt apologize for questioning people's faith a week ago, and for continuing to post after many civil longtime posters told you to slow the F down with bidding and posting, and you went ape on both and called people out on it. Do you really think we care what cigars you bid on and won/lost, are smoking at the moment, or are sending to people if you are a complete azzhat about your delivery? There is not a guidebook on, or proper way to be accepted or atleast tolerated on one of the oldest cigar boards on the net...but one tip is to take everything slower than you currently are. If you read this as me acting elitist and not helping you....you are a troll and should have recieved banhammer long ago.

I hope to see you talking about aged t52 piggies, how you love the Tatuaje Tatoo, and MB2's construction type stuff in 6 months...not Mark Twain BS! It is progression, even if you end up continuing to like Maxim de Paris. Atleast you will know what you like and we can't and won't bag on you for it. Please never break out the "Padilla Miami in yo face" stuff again. It is a great cigar, but is a driving, mowing, warm-up cigar to many here. I love the Miami but think you need to try 50 or so middle-top shelf stuff before you can trade words with DMV and others.

this will be the last I say to or about rah until i see less BS

Does look interesting and suspect. The lettering style is wrong, with round dots instead of square???
http://www.cigaraficionado.com/counterfeit/view/id/15403

No, I don't resent your posting at all. You did not make any spurious allegations about me and I don't think your purpose behind it is to discredit or mock me in any real way.

Weather you like it or not, you and I have a very similar view on thought process, especially when it comes to the matter of anyone caring about anything anyone else writes in a forum such as this. Not caring about what is posted here is a fact we all conveniently ignore otherwise the rate of posting would be significantly reduced. Caring to the point of acknowledgment is 'normal'. It is done without much thought in order to maintain a continuous and most times courteous exchange of personal experience on all matters pertaining to cigars.

However, their are times when that exchange goes well beyond simple acknowledgement and agreeable or disagreeable opinions. And as I stated in a prior posting, members that have been posting here the longest should exhibit the wisdom that their longevity should have established when posting on any subject or matter presented by other members.

The matter of making a statement about an individual, especially one that is made public, is as important to me as any, and should be to everyone. Writing posts with the single purpose of slandering and discrediting a member, or 'take the rug out from under them' is wrong. I don't CARE if that poster has made 1 or 100,000 posts. You would expect such a post would not come from a poster of 100,000 due to some degree of wisdom they should have retained by years being in the mix of subjects or topics presented here. But it is not. It is WRONG in every case to make statements with their sole purpose being to attack and tarnish that members.

If my bidding practices 'offend' any members it is something they will have to learn to live with. It comes down to a matter of tolerance, as you said, because it is personal even if posted publicly. No one should have to justify, or 'apologize' for a decision when no can show it caused any harm or hardship in any way to anyone. The reason behind my thread too display the bids I had made with reasonable max amounts is my own, and not up for judgement, and in need of no ones approval. If you, or any member posted bids they had made I would either act on the information or not, especially without knowing the actual reasons behind the thread. That exceeds the level of 'caring' ANYONE should display as it has nothing to do with cigars. And the last thing I would do is call another member a liar. If they declare after being asked if they simple over bid, and said no, the issue should be closed. Antagonistic Insinuations as to why someone has done something, with no actual knowledge as to their reasons why, coupled with mocking, slander, and ridicule is WRONG as well.

But it is the standard routine here. I did not over bid. If I had, I would have simply said I had, as I truly don't care. I did misread 4 closing dates which I posted without care of the badgering and bad mouthing I would receive from doing so. But if my reason for offering additional bids after that careless error is not material suited for a cigar forum that is also my business and I do should not have to offer it up to justify the thread I started. And responding to members who have repeatedly labeled me a liar and a moocher or leech at the expense of other forum members with no proof is something any member would do. Do I honestly care? Of course not. Which makes their accusation look even more ridiculous.

And if you label Padilla Miami as being a stick lacking enough quality to be compared to a fake Cohiba or other cigars, that's your business. Using it in a harmless joke to my friend is my business. I think it is an excellent tasting cigar along with the other 95 brands and lines I have tried that are classified $6 cigars. And the chances of me writing rave comment about Ligas T52, or rare Oliva Master Blends II and most Tatuaje cigars are slim to none because I am on Social Security Disability that limits me to smoking Cigar Bid discount sticks, which I am more them happy with. I'll survive just fine without the $10+ sticks, that according to you are the only sticks worth talking about, which is your opinion, but won't stop me from offering details about a DIESEL or AMBOS MUNDOS I scored for $4 that I think is great. Doesn't make you a cigar snob. I guarantee if I were still working I would be sampling them and looking for as many more like them as I could find.

I'm going with you on this one TG.

I did smoke the Cohiba, and wasn't entirely impressed.

I was just as unimpressed with this one as I am most Cohiba's.

I believe it was old and real, just a typical Cohiba, not a bad smoke and not a great smoke.

I heard someone talking about the Padilla Miami, I love that stick. And if you hunt around you can def. get a deal on them. They get better with some months on'em too... Just my 2cents...


BTW fellas with the long post's....sorry but too many words and I don't even try to read it.....sorry.....

Ok, I think I see what the problem is cac... First off, I was being humorous the *psst*, second, it seems that you might not be familiar with what I meant by "other manufacturer" in post #5, and CA isn't representing all of the possible legitimate manufacturers nor the chronology of when bands changed, which isn't really any surprise.

There are (or were, as the case may be) at least three DR Cohibas - General, who makes the red dot and holds the trademark in the US,. and Monticristi, who holds the DR trademark. The Montecristis aren't supposed to be sold off of the island, but they do pop up in cigar shops in the US from time to time, most likely a personal purchase that is being resold in the shop. Selling the General cigar red dots in the DR is somewhere between tricky and not legal, due to zona franca laws, and the fact that General doesn't own the rights to the Cohiba name in the DR. The CA website talks about someone pawning off a counterfeit as a General made Cohiba. The third one which was sold in the US, had a yellow band not unlike the Cuban band, but those were yanked off the shelves and destroyed 4 or 5 years ago when General won their trademark infringement lawsuit against the company making them. There might have also been a 4th, minor, manufacturer - don't really remember.

Regarding the bands, the Cuban Cohibas didn't go to gold foiled bands until 2003. Montecristi didn't follow suite until a few years later, the bands you posted on your website look like what I've seen of the newer stock although Monticristi seems to have a habit of changing their bands over the years and being very sloppy about it- some of their newer bands are two rows above the foil, some are three. Can't remember if the 3rd company ever went gold foil or not.

Based on the earlier posts, it sounds like this cigar was lying around the shop for awhile, and from what I can see through the cello, the spacing on the band including the block font looks like what I remember seeing touted as the older ones from the other manufacturer, and not quite like the CA counterfeit band with the wider spacing on the dots. I also seem to recall (not 100% positive though) one of them having block letters at one time, but I don't remember which one.

As for counterfeiting one of these two non-Generali Cigar Cohibas, I guess it could be, but in this country, the price point of the legit Monticristis and lawsuit cigars is (was for the lawsuit cigar) so low that shops wouldn't need to buy counterfeits - the logical thing to do would be to buy these "legit" cigars for a few bucks and sticker them to rival GC prices.

While it is possible that it is a counterfeit tossed in the bin, to me it seems unlikely based on the age and location, and is rather probably either an old Montecristi or one of the old lawsuit yellow bands that escaped destruction.

That is worth a try. Though I am on a 2 a day limit for now. If I knew I was going to have to cut back I would have tried your suggestion this month. Your not the first person to tell me that either. If I am still on the pittance of a daily smoke total come May 20Th I will bid on quality more so then quantity.