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I asked CIA Director Leon Panetta for the facts, and he told me the following: The trail to bin Laden did not begin with a disclosure from Khalid Sheik Mohammed, who was waterboarded 183 times. The first mention of Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti — the nickname of the al-Qaeda courier who ultimately led us to bin Laden — as well as a description of him as an important member of al-Qaeda, came from a detainee held in another country, who we believe was not tortured. None of the three detainees who were waterboarded provided Abu Ahmed’s real name, his whereabouts or an accurate description of his role in al-Qaeda.

In fact, the use of “enhanced interrogation techniques” on Khalid Sheik Mohammed produced false and misleading information. He specifically told his interrogators that Abu Ahmed had moved to Peshawar, got married and ceased his role as an al-Qaeda facilitator — none of which was true. According to the staff of the Senate intelligence committee, the best intelligence gained from a CIA detainee — information describing Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti’s real role in al-Qaeda and his true relationship to bin Laden — was obtained through standard, noncoercive means.

I know from personal experience that the abuse of prisoners sometimes produces good intelligence but often produces bad intelligence because under torture a person will say anything he thinks his captors want to hear — true or false — if he believes it will relieve his suffering. Often, information provided to stop the torture is deliberately misleading.

Mistreatment of enemy prisoners endangers our own troops, who might someday be held captive. While some enemies, and al-Qaeda surely, will never be bound by the principle of reciprocity, we should have concern for those Americans captured by more conventional enemies, if not in this war then in the next.

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A snippet from McCain's

Bin Laden’s death and the debate over torture
By John McCain, Published: May 11

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/bin-ladens-death-and-the-debate-over-torture/2011/05/11/AFd1mdsG_print.html

McCain has been tortured, he says waterboarding is torture, I'll take his word over yours, or potts, or wheels anyday.

Holy crap you are talking out of your ass here.

Why the hell should we care about countries that allow 'true torture'?

What are those countries and why should we be like them in any way and why the f should we care if they laugh?

If there are better ways to get information, why don't you support them all the time?

We have laws against torture and this includes waterboarding and it is against international treaties of which we are signers.

And why would only someone who hasn't been tortured be allowed to give an opinion on torture, shouldn't that be the opposite?

Really? You seemed so excited when you posted the thank you mr. waterboard thread. Why did you lose interest?

By the way, when it comes to Terrorist, I could really care less how bad we torture them. Sometimes you just have to get your hands dirty. I am sorry if you don't have the stomach for it. I am sure if it was up to you Fuzzywuzzy, we would have surrendered to them long ago. I guess that what you get for being a "Sheep".

1.That would be your job around here.

2.Because if we ever end up in a conflict in these countries this is what our servicemen and woman will be subject to.They'll be begging to be waterboarded I assure you.Other than that reason I could care less.

3.They laugh because we are so politically correct.DUHH....you're fugging brilliant

4.The better ways to get information I speak of do involve torture.Painful and horrific torture....it works but should never be used except in the event of preventing massive loss of life.

5.I believe you are wrong.I do not believe internationally waterboarding is specifically mentioned........nor is it defined as torture.

6.Everyone has an opinion Fuzz.....and if you can't see my point on McCain you are as dense as a log.I believe McCain even said sleep deprivation was torture............The man has some serious issues with this subject.Again quite obvious to me.


Ron

Torturing is wrong. Is assassination ok? Wrong to induce panic, make 'em think they're drowning, but ok to kill them?

You're referring to bin Laden? Not this stupid argument again.

Sorry, haven't been keeping up.

and your old lady does what you tell her to do or else, right? You are one great man, had you been born like 400 years ago.

What constitutes torture is almost completely subjective. While nearly everyone can agree on whether ripping someone's fingernails out one by one is torture, water boarding and the like is not so well defined. Hell, some people think going without their latte in the morning or getting stuck in traffic is torture.

In my own personal Room 101 there'd be plenty to eat and drink, a comfy couch to sit on, but Alanis Morisette and rap music playing 24/7. Now that'd be torture.

OH! So THAT'S why you respond with some ignorant comment to every single post...It's because you don't READ them!

Now I understand!

why wasnt he held in the US? perhaps because there are laws on US soil, not so much in another country?

McCain should ask CIA Director Leon Panetta if he's seen CROS....

Is chineese water torture considered torture?

They should let the Comanches have a crack at him....

No but an Alabama Hot Pocket, Cincinatti Cinammon Roll, New Delhi Dot, or a Glass Bottom Boat would all be torture

what about an oprah canned ham?

He ate Oprah.....so yea pork is cool.


Ron