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THE COMPLETE INSANITY AND MADNESS OF ANT- ABORTIONISTS
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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WHILE I AN AGAINST ABORTION IN MY FAMILY,
I DON'T BOTHER OTHER PEOPLE ABOUT MY BELIEFS.

THE SUPREME COURT HAS RULED ABORTION IS LEGAL IN THIS COUNRY.

15-Year-Old Girl Faces Life in Prison for a Miscarriage?
Why Conservatives Are Criminalizing Pregnant Women
The creeping criminalization of pregnant women is a new
front in the culture wars over abortion.
July 4, 2011 |


Rennie Gibbs is accused of murder, but the crime she is alleged
to have committed does not sound like an ordinary killing. Yet she
faces life in prison in Mississippi over the death of her unborn child.

Gibbs became pregnant aged 15, but lost the baby in December 2006
in a stillbirth when she was 36 weeks into the pregnancy.
When prosecutors discovered that she had a cocaine habit –
though there is no evidence that drug abuse had anything to do
with the baby's death – they charged her with the "depraved-heart
murder" of her child, which carries a mandatory life sentence.

Gibbs is the first woman in Mississippi to be charged with murder
relating to the loss of her unborn baby. But her case is by no means
isolated. Across the US more and more prosecutions are being brought
that seek to turn pregnant women into criminals.

"Women are being stripped of their constitutional personhood and
subjected to truly cruel laws," said Lynn Paltrow of the campaign National
Advocates for Pregnant Women (NAPW). "It's turning pregnant women into
a different class of person and removing them of their rights."

Bei Bei Shuai, 34, has spent the past three months in a prison cell in Indianapolis
charged with murdering her baby. On 23 December she tried to commit suicide by
taking rat poison after her boyfriend abandoned her.

Shuai was rushed to hospital and survived, but she was 33 weeks pregnant
and her baby, to whom she gave birth a week after the suicide attempt and whom
she called Angel, died after four days. In March Shuai was charged with murder
and attempted foeticide and she has been in custody since without the offer of bail.
In Alabama at least 40 cases have been brought under the state's "chemical
endangerment" law. Introduced in 2006, the statute was designed to protect children
whose parents were cooking methamphetamine in the home and thus putting their
children at risk from inhaling the fumes.

Amanda Kimbrough is one of the women who have been ensnared as a result of the
law being applied in a wholly different way. During her pregnancy her fetus was
diagnosed with possible Down's syndrome and doctors suggested she consider a
termination, which Kimbrough declined as she is not in favour of abortion.

The baby was delivered by caesarean section prematurely in April 2008 and died
19 minutes after birth.

Six months later Kimbrough was arrested at home and charged with "chemical
endangerment" of her unborn child on the grounds that she had taken drugs during
the pregnancy – a claim she has denied.

"That shocked me, it really did," Kimbrough said. "I had lost a child, that was enough."

She now awaits an appeal ruling from the higher courts in Alabama, which if she loses
will see her begin a 10-year sentence behind bars. "I'm just living one day at a time,
looking after my three other kids," she said. "They say I'm a criminal, how do I answer
that? I'm a good mother."

Women's rights campaigners see the creeping criminalization of pregnant women
as a new front in the culture wars over abortion, in which conservative prosecutors are
chipping away at hard-won freedoms by stretching protection laws to include foetuses,
in some cases from the day of conception. In Gibbs' case defence lawyers have argued
before Mississippi's highest court that her prosecution makes no sense. Under Mississippi
law it is a crime for any person except the mother to try to cause an abortion.

"If it's not a crime for a mother to intentionally end her pregnancy, how can it be a crime
for her to do it unintentionally, whether by taking drugs or smoking or whatever it is,"
Robert McDuff, a civil rights lawyer asked the state supreme court.

McDuff told the Guardian that he hoped the Gibbs prosecution was an isolated example.
"I hope it's not a trend that's going to catch on. To charge a woman with murder because
of something she did during pregnancy is really unprecedented and quite extreme."

He pointed out that anti-abortion groups were trying to amend the Mississippi constitution
by setting up a state referendum, or ballot initiative, that would widen the definition of
a person under the state's bill of rights to include a fetus from the day of conception.

Some 70 organisations across America have come together to file testimonies, known
as amicus briefs, in support of Gibbs that protest against her treatment on several levels.
One says that to treat "as a murderer a girl who has experienced a stillbirth serves only
to increase her suffering".

Another, from a group of psychologists, laments the misunderstanding of addiction that
lies behind the indictment. Gibbs did not take cocaine because she had a "depraved heart"
or to "harm the fetus but to satisfy an acute psychological and physical need for that
particular substance", says the brief.

Perhaps the most persuasive argument put forward in the amicus briefs is that if such
prosecutions were designed to protect the unborn child, then they would be utterly counter-
productive: "Prosecuting women and girls for continuing [a pregnancy] to term despite
a drug addiction encourages them to terminate wanted pregnancies to avoid criminal
penalties. The state could not have intended this result when it adopted the homicide statute."

Paltrow sees what is happening to Gibbs as a small taste of what would be unleashed were the
constitutional right to an abortion ever overturned. "In Mississippi the use of the murder statute is
creating a whole new legal standard that makes women accountable for the outcome of their
pregnancies and threatens them with life imprisonment for murder."

From protection to punishment

At least 38 of the 50 states across America have introduced fetal homicide laws that were
intended to protect pregnant women and their unborn children from violent attacks by third
parties– usually abusive male partners – but are increasingly being turned by renegade
prosecutors against the women themselves.

South Carolina was one of the first states to introduce such a foetal homicide law. National
Advocates for Pregnant Women has found only one case of a South Carolina man who
assaulted a pregnant woman having been charged under its terms, and his conviction was
eventually overturned. Yet the group estimates there have been up to 300 women arrested
for their actions during pregnancy.

In other states laws designed to protect chi
[/size]ldren against the damaging effects of drugs have similarly been twisted to punish childbearers.[/color]
HockeyDad Offline
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FETUS OUTRAGE!
ZRX1200 Offline
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WHO WILL PROTECT THE ANTS?!!
Nicar Offline
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DOUBLE POST OUTRAGE!!!!
Nicar Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
WHO WILL PROTECT THE ANTS?!!



BAN INSECT KILLERS!!!! They can kill larvae!!!!!
ZRX1200 Offline
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I bet Rick is a red ant. They hate black ants.
dubleuhb Offline
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Huh, I don't see a problem with making people accountable for their actions.
HockeyDad Offline
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Ever since we started asking expecting mothers to take prenatal vitamins, it has been a slippery slope of a loss of rights from mothers as fetuses grew more politically powerful and consolidated their influence.
ZRX1200 Offline
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At what stage is a larvae a baby ant???
chiefburg Offline
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"When prosecutors discovered that she had a cocaine habit –
though there is no evidence that drug abuse had anything to do
with the baby's death – they charged her with the "depraved-heart
murder" of her child, which carries a mandatory life sentence."

So, doing cocaine is okay and has no side affects that may cause a mother to abort.......

Let's not forget, cigarettes are safe and there are no medical related issues either.....

Rick: Seems like her drug use caused the death of the child. Negligent homicide is a more realistic charge than "deparved-heart murder." And, we've yet to see if it will stick.

FuzzNJ Offline
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chiefburg wrote:
"When prosecutors discovered that she had a cocaine habit –
though there is no evidence that drug abuse had anything to do
with the baby's death – they charged her with the "depraved-heart
murder" of her child, which carries a mandatory life sentence."

So, doing cocaine is okay and has no side affects that may cause a mother to abort.......

Let's not forget, cigarettes are safe and there are no medical related issues either.....

Rick: Seems like her drug use caused the death of the child. Negligent homicide is a more realistic charge than "deparved-heart murder." And, we've yet to see if it will stick.



Your second hand smoke causes damage to those around you. Someone around you gets cancer, you can be blamed.

I find that last paragraph stupid, but that's down the road too.
Brewha Offline
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And speaking of ants.

If the Mother Mary had a sister would you call her Aunty-Christ?
tailgater Offline
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We need more laws to protect our drug addicted expecting mothers!!

Where's Planned Parenthood when you need them?
They would have made sure that the baby, er fetus was good-n-dead way before the cocaine did its job.

Then this fine, upstanding drug addict womb-without-a-clue could go on with her life without those maniac pro-lifers chasing her around and wanting to save her unborn child.

Rick is right, er correct.
It is insane.

wheelrite Offline
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Rick has finally lost it...
Papachristou Offline
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last time i checked, snorting coke while you are pregnant is slightly likely to harm the baby. but hey, im not doctor.




Brewha Offline
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tailgater wrote:
Where's Planned Parenthood when you need them?


The conservatives are getting rid of planned patent hood and trying to end birth control so that we can have lots of unwanted children in society. Children that they won’t have any charity or compassion for, as those kids need to put themselves up by their boot straps.

- And they will tell any lie to make it happen, cause it is the will of their God.
HockeyDad Offline
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Liberals would rather a fetus be killed than for it to have to work hard and pull itself up by its bootstraps?
ZRX1200 Offline
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No fetuses were harmed in the making of this reproductive right.
HockeyDad Offline
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They remind me of sea turtles leaving their nest and crawling to the ocean only to be attacked by a liberal amount of sea birds and fish!
Brewha Offline
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Don’t get me wrong – I love children.
With a little garlic, olive oil, lightly grilled by the boot straps . . . .
HockeyDad Offline
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I understand. Liberals and seagulls gotta eat too.
borndead1 Offline
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The idea isn't new. Anti-abortionists are trying to set legal precedents in which a fetus is given the same rights as a baby that has already been born. Once enough of these cases are settled, they will use that body of case law to challenge Roe v. Wade. And they will have a good shot at overturning it.

Good idea, but it won't stop abortion. The ol' coat hanger in a back alley will make a comeback. Or women will just go to Canada. Or...Mexico. Yikes.
jackconrad Offline
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My Ant Doris was a Saint !
ZRX1200 Offline
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Don't let ants near Rick!
rfenst Offline
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chiefburg wrote:
"When prosecutors discovered that she had a cocaine habit –
though there is no evidence that drug abuse had anything to do
with the baby's death – they charged her with the "depraved-heart
murder" of her child, which carries a mandatory life sentence."

So, doing cocaine is okay and has no side affects that may cause a mother to abort.......

Let's not forget, cigarettes are safe and there are no medical related issues either.....

Rick: Seems like her drug use caused the death of the child. Negligent homicide is a more realistic charge than "deparved-heart murder." And, we've yet to see if it will stick.




"[T]here is no evidence that drug abuse had anything to do with the baby's death."


Unless, there is such evidence, she shouldn't be charged with anything. They are just bootstrapping fabricating a case with bad facts (coke addict) to have better case when they try to overturn Roe v. Wade down the road. Sad she lost the baby. Sad for society too. How about putting her into drug rehab? Sometimes, it works!
ZRX1200 Offline
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What about the ANTS?!!!


NOBODY CARES ABOUT THE ANTS!
snowwolf777 Offline
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THE COMPLETE INSANITY AND MADNESS OF ANT- ABORTIONISTS

Yeah, cuz, killing babies isn't "mad" or "insane" or anything. That's just normal stuff.

Frying pan
daveincincy Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
What about the ANTS?!!!


NOBODY CARES ABOUT THE ANTS!



We are too focused on the starfish at the moment.
daveincincy Offline
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Brewha wrote:
The conservatives are getting rid of planned patent hood and trying to end birth control so that we can have lots of unwanted children in society. Children that they won’t have any charity or compassion for, as those kids need to put themselves up by their boot straps.

- And they will tell any lie to make it happen, cause it is the will of their God.


I thought abortion was Planned Parenthood's birth control. Think
ZRX1200 Offline
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^ yeah and there's not lots of people trying to adopt.

And killing them is so compassionate.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Anyone know where I can get a feti lampshade made?

ZRX1200 Offline
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I think Rick makes larvi lamphades.......
DrMaddVibe Offline
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In order to pay for all these retirement benefits...you'd think some of these over the hill types would want more kids coming up to the Big Leagues...more in the Ponzi scheme...the longer the payout continues...jus' sayin'...Whistle
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
In order to pay for all these retirement benefits...you'd think some of these over the hill types would want more kids coming up to the Big Leagues...more in the Ponzi scheme...the longer the payout continues...jus' sayin'...Whistle



And then Reality kicks the teeth in....



WASHINGTON (AP) — Children now make up less of America's population than ever before, even with a boost from immigrant families.

And when this generation grows up, it will become a shrinking work force that will have to support the nation's expanding elderly population — even as the government strains to cut spending for health care, pensions and much else.

The latest 2010 census data show that children of immigrants make up one in four people under 18, and are now the fastest-growing segment of the nation's youth, an indication that both legal and illegal immigrants as well as minority births are lifting the nation's population.

Currently, the share of children in the U.S. is 24 percent, falling below the previous low of 26 percent of 1990. The share is projected to slip further, to 23 percent by 2050, even as the percentage of people 65 and older is expected to jump from 13 percent today to roughly 20 percent by 2050 due to the aging of baby boomers and beyond.

In 1900, the share of children reached as high as 40 percent, compared to a much smaller 4 percent share for seniors 65 and older. The percentage of children in subsequent decades held above 30 percent until 1980, when it fell to 28 percent amid declining birth rates, mostly among whites.

"There are important implications for the future of the U.S. because the increasing costs of providing for an older population may reduce the public resources that go to children," said William P. O'Hare, a senior consultant with the Baltimore-based Annie E. Casey Foundation, a children's advocacy group.

Pointing to signs that many children are already struggling, O'Hare added: "These raise urgent questions about whether today's children will have the resources they need to help care for America's growing elderly population."
The numbers are largely based on an analysis by the Population Reference Bureau, a nonprofit research group in Washington that studies global and U.S. trends. In some cases, the data were supplemented with additional census projections on U.S. growth from 2010-2050 as well as figures compiled by the Annie E. Casey Foundation's Kids Count project.

Nationwide, the number of children has grown by 1.9 million, or 2.6 percent, since 2000. That represents a drop-off from the previous decade, when even higher rates of immigration by Latinos — who are more likely than some other ethnic groups to have large families — helped increase the number of children by 8.7 million, or 13.7 percent.

Percentages aside, 23 states and the District of Columbia had declines in their numbers of children in the century's first decade, with Michigan, Rhode Island, Vermont and D.C. seeing some of the biggest drops.
On the other hand, states with some of the biggest increases — Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Nevada, North Carolina and Texas — also ranked in the bottom one-third of states in terms of child well-being as measured by the Kids Count project. The project calculated child well-being based on levels of poverty, single-parent families, unemployment, high-school dropouts and other factors.

The slowing population growth in the U.S. mirrors to a lesser extent the situation in other developed nations, including Russia, Japan and France which are seeing reduced growth or population losses due to declining birth rates and limited immigration. The combined population of more-developed countries other than the U.S. is projected to decline beginning in 2016, raising the prospect of prolonged budget crises as the number of working-age citizens diminish, pension costs rise and tax revenues fall.

Japan, France, Germany and Canada each have lower shares of children under age 15, ranging between 13 percent in Japan and 17 percent in Canada, while nations in Africa and the Middle East have some of the largest shares, including 50 percent in Niger and 46 percent in Afghanistan, according to figures from the United Nations Population Division.

In the U.S., the share of children under 15 is 20 percent.

Depending on future rates of immigration, the U.S. population is estimated to continue growing through at least 2050. In a hypothetical situation in which all immigration — both legal and illegal — immediately stopped, the U.S. could lose population beginning in 2048, according to the latest census projections.

Since 2000, the increase for children in the U.S. — 1.9 million — has been due to racial and ethnic minorities.
Currently, 54 percent of the nation's children are non-Hispanic white, compared to 23 percent Hispanic, 14 percent black, and 4 percent Asian.

Over the past decade, the number of non-Hispanic white children declined 10 percent to 39.7 million, while the number of minority children rose 22 percent to 34.5 million. Hispanics, as well as Asians, Native Hawaiians, Pacific Islanders and multiracial children represented all of the growth. The number of black and American Indian children declined.

In nearly one of five U.S. counties, minority children already outnumber white children.
"The 'minority youth bulge' is being driven primarily by children in immigrant families," said Mark Mather, associate vice president of the Population Reference Bureau who co-wrote a report released Tuesday on the subject. "They are transforming America's schools, and in a generation they will transform the racial-ethnic composition of the U.S. work force."

"Policymakers are paying a lot of attention to the elderly, but we have a large population of children who have their own needs," he said.

The numbers come as states around the nation are seeking to cut education spending and other programs — rather than raise taxes — to close gaping budget holes as schools districts run out of $100 billion in federal stimulus money that helped stave off job losses over the past two years.

In Texas, for instance, the Legislature changed state law so it could slash education spending by $4 billion over the next two years to help make up for a $27 billion budget shortfall. The move is the first cut in per-student spending in Texas since World War II, even as the state has gained nearly 1 million children over the past decade, many of them Hispanic.

The school cutbacks are expected to have a disproportionate effect on low-income communities which are less able to raise local school taxes. Advocates believe that could further widen the achievement gap between students of different races in states like Texas, where some of the fastest student growth is among those who are poor and whose primary language is not English.

The resulting cuts will be far-reaching and surprising to many parents and communities, from teacher layoffs to reductions in extracurricular programs and ballooning class sizes, said Jenny LaCoste-Caputo, a spokeswoman for the Texas Association of School Administrators.

"When people say, 'Cut government spending,' they don't think about the impact on the school down the street, until local voters begin to see the harm later," she said. "That's when we will really see the backlash. The sad thing is we'll have many kids suffer in the process."

Similar battles over education funding have played out in California, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Florida and Wisconsin.
Other census findings:

—Based on current trends, Florida could surpass New York as the third-largest state in overall population before the next census in 2020, part of a long-term migration of U.S. residents to the South and West. The most populous states are California and Texas.

—While more than half of U.S. residents now live in suburbs, the number of people living in cities also has rebounded somewhat in the past decade, increasing by 3 percentage points. Roughly one-third of the U.S. population lives in cities, the highest share since 1950.
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Online:
Census Bureau: www.census.gov
Population Reference Bureau: http://www.prb.org/
Kids Count: www.kidscount.org


But by ALL means....PLEASE run out and have a dozen abortions today. It's for the children.Frying pan
HockeyDad Offline
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We are shifting to be a dying nation just like most of Europe. While other have argued "rich" versus "poor", the battle really will be young versus old. The old already are the vast consumers of resources while providing nothing in return and their share of the pie is only growing.

Ultimately the young will rise up and develop Soylent Green.
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HockeyDad wrote:
Ultimately the young will rise up and develop Soylent Green.


As long as it doesn't actually taste like old people, I'm cool with it.


HockeyDad Offline
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We will have a huge variety of flavors for it. However, if you let it sit for more than a few days, it will develop that "old person" smell.
ZRX1200 Offline
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Can we ferment it?


Im pulling for 80-90 proof.
daveincincy Offline
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borndead1 wrote:
As long as it doesn't actually taste like old people, I'm cool with it.




Free-range, baby. None of that spoon-fed, creamed food, and cooped up in retirement home crap.
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et all

if the government is registering pregnant women, we have come a long way from small government, government that does not interfere with your personal life.
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