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Who do you think is suited to be the next Pres?
MikeyRavioli Offline
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If you could nominate someone to be the next President regardless of political aspiration who would it be?

Would they come from the private sector, military, big business?
FuzzNJ Offline
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MikeyRavioli wrote:
If you could nominate someone to be the next President regardless of political aspiration who would it be?

Would they come from the private sector, military, big business?


Don't have one and never have or will. I don't support people for office, buy more ideas and policy. People always let you down, your principles don't.
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Don't have one and never have or will. I don't support people for office, buy more ideas and policy. People always let you down, your principles don't.




Frying pan Frying pan Frying pan
FuzzNJ Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Frying pan Frying pan Frying pan


lol, you are my new stalker.

Hugs and kisses
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Nicholas Cage
ZRX1200 Offline
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Vote commie!

Its the only thing better than voting present!
FuzzNJ Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Vote commie!

Its the only thing better than voting present!


I've never voted communist, nor would I. You have?
HockeyDad Offline
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Barack Obama
FuzzNJ Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
Barack Obama


Barring a third party run by someone more liberal, he will win. The group the R's are putting up is a joke.
HockeyDad Offline
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Barring a third party run by someone more liberal, he will win. The group the R's are putting up is a joke.




Nothing happens by chance. Obama Cone Of Protection......get some!
ZRX1200 Offline
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Who's voting for Newt McCain?
MikeyRavioli Offline
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Not that I don't appreciate the humor and the in-fighting I was actually kind of hoping for an answer.

Fuzz isnt there anyone who you feel best embodies your principals?

no one ever hears someone speak or reads an article and says to themselves "I wish that guy would run for President"
Regardless of whether he can win or even wants to run.
ZRX1200 Offline
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Mike honestly I read articles and can agree with alot of people. I think your question might get a more direct answer if the country wasn't so f*@$** up right now.

Im voting Ron Paul period. My vote isn't going to support one party rule anymore.

The problem with your premise I think is its taking a small sampling for an individual to best describe a complete political picture of yourself. Right or left or center people are more complicated than that.
borndead1 Offline
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Ron Jeremy.
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If Ron Paul doesn't get the Republican nomination, I will vote for the Libertarian candidate. Unless it is Bob Barr again. WTF were they thinking? It looks like former NM Governor Gary Johnson may seek the Libertarian nomination. I like him a lot. He was ostracized by the media even more than RP in the early stages of the Republican debates.

http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/record
DrMaddVibe Offline
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MikeyRavioli wrote:
Fuzz isnt there anyone who you feel best embodies your principals?


He's already voted for someone that embodies his principals. The problem is that with the blank slate he voted for he didn't see what an empty suit he really was. He was desperate for change. Now that the vaneer is peeled back he's pissed. He want's someone MORE liberal. He doesn't think that Owedumba has done a good job because he didn't get Ford too! He likes it when your tax dollars are being spent on green technology. When it gets found out that it's all been a big political donation giveback shell game he turns a blind eye and screams "BUSH!!!"


ZRX1200 wrote:
Mike honestly I read articles and can agree with alot of people. I think your question might get a more direct answer if the country wasn't so f*@$** up right now.

Im voting Ron Paul period. My vote isn't going to support one party rule anymore.


=d>

I wholeheartedly agree with this statement.

What we have is a messed up situation where the winner here isn't going to win. He's going to either kick the can down the road and rack up more debt and entitlements OR do something about them.

We can either sit around with the unicorns, rainbows and lollipops and wait for the free stuff to hit our doorsteps OR act like adults and take a little pain now to save what we have and enjoy later. We can either act like Greece or not.

Our next President will not be running for re-election regardless of who wins. The decisions are going to be that difficult and painful. The free ride is pulling into the station. The wheelhouse is dead up ahead. There is no other run.
MikeyRavioli Offline
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thanks ZRX, honestly your answer leads me to my my next question which ultimately is what I think I was trying to get to.

Its seems like in order to be actually electable you need to be part of the big political machine.
but by the time you have spent enough time in the big politcal machine your original message and core values are loooong gone.

wheelrite Offline
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Ron Wood...
FuzzNJ Offline
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MikeyRavioli wrote:
Not that I don't appreciate the humor and the in-fighting I was actually kind of hoping for an answer.

Fuzz isnt there anyone who you feel best embodies your principals?

no one ever hears someone speak or reads an article and says to themselves "I wish that guy would run for President"
Regardless of whether he can win or even wants to run.


No. I can honestly say I have never thought that. Unfortunately it's always been a choice of the lesser of two evils. And for people not running that say something with which I agree, I don't ever think "I wish that guy would run for President" for the reasons I mentioned. I'll defend someone from unreasonable or illogical partisan attacks, but it doesn't mean I support a person as being the ideal, only the one that's closer to my beliefs, some closer than others. Obama would not be close though.
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Why not have a lottery for choosing all of the leaders? Can't be worse, can it?
FuzzNJ Offline
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MikeyRavioli wrote:

Its seems like in order to be actually electable you need to be part of the big political machine.
but by the time you have spent enough time in the big politcal machine your original message and core values are loooong gone.



Yup. People let you down.
HockeyDad Offline
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Yup. People let you down.



No they don't. Your expectations are too high. Always trying to blame the other guy once again!
FuzzNJ Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
No they don't. Your expectations are too high. Always trying to blame the other guy once again!


lmao

Yeah, that's the ticket.

Your advise is to find someone to be a 'fan' of and disregard my principles? Awesome.

Are Mike's expectations too high as well? DMV who is going to write in Paul who has no chance?
HockeyDad Offline
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Your advise is to find someone to be a 'fan' of and disregard my principles? Awesome.



I don't think that is quite what I said but I think we all can agree that your principles haven't worked out too well.
ZRX1200 Offline
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Mike I don't think they have to be part of the machine, just part of the political consciousness of the country. On the radar if you will.
MACS Offline
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I don't care what you say, I still like Ron Paul.
FuzzNJ Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
I don't think that is quite what I said but I think we all can agree that your principles haven't worked out too well.


Well, you did. I said people let you down and you said:

HockeyDad wrote:
No they don't. Your expectations are too high. Always trying to blame the other guy once again!


Now you are saying my principles are not working. So either my expectations are too high and I can't find anyone who represents them or they are not working. Since I've said that Obama does not represent my principles, just closer than anyone else I have a chance to vote for my principles aren't even being followed.

Make up your mind.
HockeyDad Offline
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Your expectations are too high and your principles are not working.

DrMaddVibe Offline
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I smell a "BUSH!!!" dead up ahead!whip
FuzzNJ Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Mike I don't think they have to be part of the machine, just part of the political consciousness of the country. On the radar if you will.


To win? lol. Not a chance. Name someone on the national level who has won this way. Bernie Sanders and Joe Lieberman are the only two I can think of. George Washington was the last President to be independent.
FuzzNJ Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
I smell a "BUSH!!!" dead up ahead!whip


Well then someone needs to take a shower and use some fds.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Can you scream it out real angry like Tyson did "CAIN!!!" in his Herman Cain ad spoof?
rfenst Offline
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MikeyRavioli wrote:
If you could nominate someone to be the next President regardless of political aspiration who would it be?

Would they come from the private sector, military, big business?



I have never thought about this in real terms. No non-candidate has ever impressed me such that I thought of the person in Presidential terms. But, there are non-candidates who have been mentioned as potential future candidates for the Presidency who I know I would never vote for.
FuzzNJ Offline
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rfenst wrote:
I have never thought about this in real terms. No non-candidate has ever impressed me such that I thought of the person in Presidential terms. But, there are non-candidates who have been mentioned as potential future candidates for the Presidency who I know I would never vote for.


I'm certain you will be attacked for this position as I have. lol
HockeyDad Offline
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Rex W. Tillerson
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FuzzNJ wrote:
I'm certain you will be attacked for this position as I have. lol



Don't be ridiculous. People like Rfenst!
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ZRX1200 wrote:


Im voting Ron Paul period. My vote isn't going to support one party rule anymore.



Since he won't be the R's candidate, I perceive a vote for him to be equivalent to a vote for Obama. How do you like them apples?
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HockeyDad wrote:
Rex W. Tillerson



Does he have a birth certificate and stuff..?? Huh
HockeyDad Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
Does he have a birth certificate and stuff..?? Huh



If he doesn't, I'm sure he can get one made. It has been done before!
ZRX1200 Offline
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Robert if it is then pox on the neo cons.

rfenst Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Robert if it is then pox on the neo cons.




NBC News discussed its most recent Presidential Poll last night:

Obama v. Romney: Obama ahead by a point or two.
Obama v. Gingrich: Obama ahead by about 10 points.

Accompanying analysis:

Obama's poling results are surprisingly higher than one would expect. Romney has not been accepted by conservatives because he is too moderate, but appeals to Independents. Gingrich appeals to the conservative end of the R's and Tea Party, but does very poorly with Independents.

Most interesting point made:

This election cycle is ripe for a third-party candidate to get a notable number of votes, but they will be at the expense of the R's candidate.

Interesting, huh?
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MikeyRavioli wrote:
If you could nominate someone to be the next President regardless of political aspiration who would it be?

Would they come from the private sector, military, big business?


What we DON'T need is yet another inside-the-Beltway political hack whose campaign was bankrolled by donations from Wall Street banksters and Big Ag/ Oil/ Pharma. Nor do we need another slick talking empty suit, all smooth talk but business as usual when it comes to viable economic reform. This nation needs good private sector jobs and an economically healthy and independent middle class, not yet more government meddling and cradle to grave nanny state manipulation.

I don't really see any solution either. We've got millions of multigenerational Welfare parasites, a military involved in unresolvable Middle East political conflicts that have been ongoing more or less for two thousand years, an education system focusing on lowest common denominator achievement, a media that spins every topic until the real facts are unrecognizable, a southern border so porous that Gengis Kahn and the Mongol Horde could walk across in broad daylight, and a mostly clueless dumbed-down electorate that salivates on cue like Pavlov's dogs whenever a presidential candidate mentions the word 'entitlements'.

Oh yeah, in addition to all that, we're also stone-a$$ broke. The only thing keeping the rest of the world from dumping the US dollar as a reserve currency is, they still think we're the best looking horse in the glue factory. Most of Europe is in deeper hock than we are thanks to unsustainable spending on social engineering. China is in better shape but they're dependent on us buying all their crap so they can turn around and loan us back the money. Right now China and the US are circling the drain together until China's own citizens themselves can afford to buy the crap they make and sell over here. When that happens, they won't need our market anymore. At that point, we're pretty much toast.

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I think Ron Paul is the only candidate who has any chance of steering the nation back on track. Or maybe Allen West. Maybe. All the others are just more of the same business-as-usual pandering to special interests and kicking the can down the road so our kids can clean up the mess.

Unfortunately, neither guy has a snowball's chance in Hell of getting into the White House.

Anyway, that's how I see it lately. I truly hope for all our kids and grand kid's sake I'm completely wrong.




HockeyDad Offline
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DadZilla3 wrote:
What we DON'T need is yet another inside-the-Beltway political hack whose campaign was bankrolled by donations from Wall Street banksters and Big Ag/ Oil/ Pharma. Nor do we need another slick talking empty suit, all smooth talk but business as usual when it comes to viable economic reform. This nation needs good private sector jobs and an economically healthy and independent middle class, not yet more government meddling and cradle to grave nanny state manipulation.

I don't really see any solution either. We've got millions of multigenerational Welfare parasites, a military involved in unresolvable Middle East political conflicts that have been ongoing more or less for two thousand years, an education system focusing on lowest common denominator achievement, a media that spins every topic until the real facts are unrecognizable, a southern border so porous that Gengis Kahn and the Mongol Horde could walk across in broad daylight, and a mostly clueless dumbed-down electorate that salivates on cue like Pavlov's dogs whenever a presidential candidate mentions the word 'entitlements'.

Oh yeah, in addition to all that, we're also stone-a$$ broke. The only thing keeping the rest of the world from dumping the US dollar as a reserve currency is, they still think we're the best looking horse in the glue factory. Most of Europe is in deeper hock than we are thanks to unsustainable spending on social engineering. China is in better shape but they're dependent on us buying all their crap so they can turn around and loan us back the money. Right now China and the US are circling the drain together until China's own citizens themselves can afford to buy the crap they make and sell over here. When that happens, they won't need our market anymore. At that point, we're pretty much toast.



But on the bright side......
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rfenst wrote:
Since he won't be the R's candidate, I perceive a vote for him to be equivalent to a vote for Obama


That is EXACTLY what it is ... make no mistake about it ...

However competent and attactive one might find a 3rd party candidate to be, they are NOT viable ... either Obama will be re-elected or the Republican candidate will win ... there is no alternative ... voting for some other candidate may make one feel better on election day, but then there's 4 years of living with the consequence ...
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SteveS wrote:
That is EXACTLY what it is ... make no mistake about it ...

However competent and attactive one might find a 3rd party candidate to be, they are NOT viable ... either Obama will be re-elected or the Republican candidate will win ... there is no alternative ... voting for some other candidate may make one feel better on election day, but then there's 4 years of living with the consequence ...


Don't dash the Paulbearer's hopes and dreams.
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rfenst wrote:
NBC News discussed its most recent Presidential Poll last night:

Obama v. Romney: Obama ahead by a point or two.
Obama v. Gingrich: Obama ahead by about 10 points.

Accompanying analysis:

Obama's poling results are surprisingly higher than one would expect. Romney has not been accepted by conservatives because he is too moderate, but appeals to Independents. Gingrich appeals to the conservative end of the R's and Tea Party, but does very poorly with Independents.

Most interesting point made:

This election cycle is ripe for a third-party candidate to get a notable number of votes, but they will be at the expense of the R's candidate.

Interesting, huh?



Interesting for a biased NBC poll indeed.Brick wall
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HockeyDad wrote:
But on the bright side......


Well, we DO have 'Dancing with the Stars'...
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Bill Brasky

He's a ten-foot tall beast man, who showers in vodka, and feeds his baby shrimp scampi.
He orchestrated the merger between UNICEF and Smith and Wesson.
Brasky went public with his own buttocks and made seven million.
Did I ever tell you about the time Brasky went hunting? Well anyway, Brasky decides he's gonna hunt down all four members of the Banana Splits. He stalks and kills every one of them with a machete. They all beg for their lives, except Fleagul.
We once had a bachelor party for Brasky. He ate the entire cake, before we could tell him there was a stripper in it.
Brasky once hosted the Grammy's and gave every award to Cory Hardt.
He has a toenail on the end of his ****.
Brasky got his wife pregnant, and she gave birth to a delicious sixteen ounce steak. The afterbirth was sautéed mushrooms.
Brasky's family crest is a picture of a barracuda, eating Neil Armstrong.
Brasky's ranked eighteenth in the AP College Football Poll.
Did I ever tell you about the time Brasky was in a production of The King and I? Well anyway, before the show, Brasky chloroforms the entire cast, and slowly eats them in front of the audience for two hours. The production got pretty good reviews.
He breast feeds John Madden.
Brasky named the group ShaNaNa. They did not want to be called that.
If you drop a phonograph needle on Brasky's nipple, it plays the Beach Boys Pet Sounds.
They use Brasky's foreskin as a tarp when it rains at Yankee Stadium.
Brasky directed that commercial where the women play basketball in high heels.
He wears a live rattlesnake as a condom.
All the Yes album covers are Brasky family photos.
Darryl Dawkins has a summer home in Brasky's groin.
Did I ever tell you about the time Brasky taught his son how to drive? Well anyway, Brasky taught his son how to drive by entering him into the Indy 500. The kid wrecked and died. Brasky said, It would have happened sometime.
Brasky's **** can form into a liquid human. Like that guy from Terminator 2.
Brasky still believes in Santa Claus, and he wants to put him in porno films.
He thinks the Iron Man is gay.
He framed Roger Rabbit.
Brasky used to ride upon a steed, perchance to spy a lady.
The character of Johnny Appleseed was based on Brasky, except for the part about planting apple trees and not raping men.
He gave a handjob to a manta ray.
He cornered the market on booze.
Bill Brasky is a son of a bitch.
Did I ever tell you about the time Bill Brasky forced me to wear a woman's bikini? Well anyway, Brasky tears off my clothes and forces me to wear this skimpy bikini. For the next three months I had to conduct my business wearing only a woman's bathing suit. I would cry from shame and question my manhood daily, but Ill be damned if at the end of the quarter my sales hadn't tripled.
Hell eat a homeless person if you dare him.
One time I asked Brasky to dress up as Santa for a Christmas party I was having for my children. Anyway, Brasky shows up as Santa, says I've got goodies for you kids. He reaches into his bag and proceeds to hand out scrap metal and cigarettes to them. Then he takes off his beard and says There's no Santa cause I ate him!
Brasky's a son of a bitch.
You know he sheds his skin once a year.
I once saw him scissor kick Angela Lansberry.
Did I ever tell you about the time Brasky and I went horseback riding, but there weren't any horses around? Anyway, Brasky throws a saddle on my back and rides me around Wyoming for three days. Well, wouldn't ya know it, my stamina increased with each day, and I develop tremendous leg muscles. So anyway, Brasky decides to enter me into the Breeders Cup under the name Turkish Delight. And Im running in second place, and I'm running, and I break my ankle. So anyway, they're about to shoot me. Then someone from the crowd yells out, God bless him, Dont shoot him, hes a human.
Ya know, he jumped off the Empire State Building this one time and he only sprained his ankle.
Like an alligator he can fully digest a turtle shell.
His favorite TV movie is The Boy In The Plastic Bubble starring John Travolta.
Bill Brasky is a son of a bitch.
Bill Brasky is an eight foot two ton monster who can palm a medicine ball.
So anyway, Brasky would put on a white tie and tails and walk his cobra through the park on a leash. He named the cobra Beverly, and he taught it how to fetch and dial a phone. But then one day it bit the maid. So with tears in his eyes, Brasky had to shoot the maid.
Brasky would use his own thigh as an anvil.
Ya know, it was the sight of Brasky's naked body that drove Brian Wilson insane.
He showers in grain alcohol.
He uses the Shroud of Turin as a gold towel.
He killed Wolfman Jack with a trident.
He drives an ice cream truck covered in human skulls.
His first name is Bill.
He makes every woman that sleeps with him refer to him as Bear Bryant.
He once ate the Bible while water skiing.
He once had sex with a cigarette machine.
A Toast To Bill Brasky!
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