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Lets Nominate the Guy Who Lost to The Guy who Lost to Obama Last Time!
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Rclay Offline
#1 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2012, 11:09 PM EST
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Is Male-Model-Mitt the best standard bearer this time? To be honest every other top tier candidate has already shown enough odd ball behavior/comments to make me worry. They all seem like wolves. But there is something to be said for the fact that Mitt lost to McCain who lost to Obama. With Obama trouncing McCain he would have probably done the same to Mitt and I think people realize that on an unconscious level if nothing else. That's why I would prefer someone who was not in the race last time. thought?
ZRX1200 Offline
#2 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2012, 11:12 PM EST
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Ron Paul 2012
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#3 Posted: Thu, Jan 12 2012, 7:04 AM EST
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your name for this thread is interesting and well written
wheelrite Offline
#4 Posted: Thu, Jan 12 2012, 7:42 AM EST
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Barney Fwank
DrMaddVibe Offline
#5 Posted: Thu, Jan 12 2012, 7:58 AM EST
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Rclay wrote:
Is Male-Model-Mitt the best standard bearer this time? To be honest every other top tier candidate has already shown enough odd ball behavior/comments to make me worry. They all seem like wolves. But there is something to be said for the fact that Mitt lost to McCain who lost to Obama. With Obama trouncing McCain he would have probably done the same to Mitt and I think people realize that on an unconscious level if nothing else. That's why I would prefer someone who was not in the race last time. thought?


Given the track record of the guy who lost to the guy who lost to Obama, I won't support it.

I'm doing the same thing I did last primary. I'm voting for Ron Paul.

I want someone that's going to overturn the mess that's DC and restore the Constitution.

I don't need another Empty Suit again. I don't need another progressive hiding behind a conservative mask. I want fiscal responsibility and leadership.

Given the track records of all the Republicans running...Paul stands alone.

I've read his books, heard him speak and now this will be another opportunity to support him.

Join the revolution!
wheelrite Offline
#6 Posted: Thu, Jan 12 2012, 8:08 AM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Given the track record of the guy who lost to the guy who lost to Obama, I won't support it.

I'm doing the same thing I did last primary. I'm voting for Ron Paul.

I want someone that's going to overturn the mess that's DC and restore the Constitution.

I don't need another Empty Suit again. I don't need another progressive hiding behind a conservative mask. I want fiscal responsibility and leadership.

Given the track records of all the Republicans running...Paul stands alone.

I've read his books, heard him speak and now this will be another opportunity to support him.

Join the revolution!


waisted vote and will give Barry 4 more years.

sorry but that's the situation...

BTW,

RP won't run as a 3rd party candidate because of his son..
hankhill Offline
#7 Posted: Thu, Jan 12 2012, 8:11 AM EST
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Exactly Rclay. If he couldnt beat McCain, what chance has he got against Obama? I remember those debates. 4 years ago and if a weakling like McCain could best Romney, Nobama will destroy him. Now, Newt on the other hand is a rabad dog behind the debating podium, and has challenged both Nobama and Romney to regular debates, both of whom dont have the balls to take him up on. Newt 2012 baby.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#8 Posted: Thu, Jan 12 2012, 8:12 AM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
waisted vote and will give Barry 4 more years.

sorry but that's the situation...

BTW,

RP won't run as a 3rd party candidate because of his son..


I don't want him to run as a 3rd party.

Too bad you're too consumed and can't educate yourself with the man. You're stuck in the mud with the rest of the pack. Nobody else can be trusted to alter the course this nation is on. Business as usual and if it is Romney...good luck voting for that turd. I won't.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#9 Posted: Thu, Jan 12 2012, 8:13 AM EST
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hankhill wrote:
Exactly Rclay. If he couldnt beat McCain, what chance has he got against Obama? I remember those debates. 4 years ago and if a weakling like McCain could best Romney, Nobama will destroy him. Now, Newt on the other hand is a rabad dog behind the debating podium, and has challenged both Nobama and Romney to regular debates, both of whom dont have the balls to take him up on. Newt 2012 baby.


He's out after a dismal showing in SC...watch.
wheelrite Offline
#10 Posted: Thu, Jan 12 2012, 8:15 AM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
I don't want him to run as a 3rd party.

Too bad you're too consumed and can't educate yourself with the man. You're stuck in the mud with the rest of the pack. Nobody else can be trusted to alter the course this nation is on. Business as usual and if it is Romney...good luck voting for that turd. I won't.



Todays word...

PRAGMATISIM...

LOOK IT UP..
DrMaddVibe Offline
#11 Posted: Thu, Jan 12 2012, 8:33 AM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
Todays word...

PRAGMATISIM...

LOOK IT UP..



Ok...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pragmatism
Rclay Offline
#12 Posted: Thu, Jan 12 2012, 8:41 AM EST
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OK, couple quick questions on Paul..

Is he going to be a hawk on defense and know when the bad guys need to be put down?

Is he pro or anti or agnostic on Israel?
FuzzNJ Offline
#13 Posted: Thu, Jan 12 2012, 8:52 AM EST
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Rclay wrote:
OK, couple quick questions on Paul..

Is he going to be a hawk on defense and know when the bad guys need to be put down?

Is he pro or anti or agnostic on Israel?



/grabs popcorn
DrMaddVibe Offline
#14 Posted: Thu, Jan 12 2012, 8:59 AM EST
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Rclay wrote:
OK, couple quick questions on Paul..

Is he going to be a hawk on defense and know when the bad guys need to be put down?

Is he pro or anti or agnostic on Israel?


I will answer to the best of my knowledge.

When military intervention or war is advised or warranted he will ask Congress for a Declaration of War. He's said this in debates and in his books. The Executive Branch does NOT have the authority to create war without their approval.

Paul isn't pro or anti Israel. He's pro Constitution. Giving foreign aid away by the billions to nations that don't have our better interests is an afront to fair trade and to our own laws. We're not commanded by law to "protect" anyone or "attack" anyone.

Like I stated in another thread with the links available...to his books...read them. They're not HUGE books. Most are under 200 pages. Look at what others have said in the comments section for each book.

Become better educated on the man and you'll see why they're doing everything to make sure he gets relegated down.
bloody spaniard Offline
#15 Posted: Thu, Jan 12 2012, 11:50 AM EST
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IMHO, styles make fights. That's why there's no logic to a fighter (or team) beating a superior fighter. The "lesser" opponent may have the answer (heart or specific technique/strength) to solve the puzzle. So McLame II, er, Romney may have a chance.

Despite that I'm not voting for Romney. He's probably a better candidate than Obama but I've stopped settling for the lesser of two evils since dubya (more like DUDya) ran for his second term.



Btw, to answer the op's question, NO he is not. But our betters have decided otherwise & most voters will obey, choosing one from column A & one from column B on the menu.
borndead1 Offline
#16 Posted: Thu, Jan 12 2012, 12:15 PM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
IMHO, styles make fights.



Bingo. There's no difference between Obama, Romney, Santorum, Gingrich. They all want more war. They all were in favor of the bailouts. All in favor of No Child Left Behind. All in favor of Medicare expansion. All in favor of the Patriot Act. All in favor of the government assassinating American citizens without a trial. There's no difference in substance, only style.

Among all the Republican candidates, there's only 1 with SUBSTANCE. Ron Paul. This guy was predicting stuff years before it happened. Just look at his old speeches from the 80s and 90s.

All you Paul haters: Just watch this video. It's really short. Only 6 minutes of your time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMH3sD_IFIg
tailgater Offline
#17 Posted: Thu, Jan 12 2012, 3:14 PM EST
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Rclay wrote:
Is Male-Model-Mitt the best standard bearer this time? To be honest every other top tier candidate has already shown enough odd ball behavior/comments to make me worry. They all seem like wolves. But there is something to be said for the fact that Mitt lost to McCain who lost to Obama. With Obama trouncing McCain he would have probably done the same to Mitt and I think people realize that on an unconscious level if nothing else. That's why I would prefer someone who was not in the race last time. thought?


That's shortsighted and false logic at best.

In fact, it's a losers mentality.
Not calling you a loser, but just pointing out the facts regarding the post.

We teach our children to get back on that horse.
To wipe their tears and try again.
To learn from our mistakes rather than be defeated by them.

But your way is easier.
Just give up if you don't succeed the first time.
HockeyDad Offline
#18 Posted: Thu, Jan 12 2012, 4:04 PM EST
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Rclay wrote:
OK, couple quick questions on Paul..

Is he going to be a hawk on defense and know when the bad guys need to be put down?

Is he pro or anti or agnostic on Israel?




Ron Paul fails the Israel test. He does not trip over himself announcing all the ways he intends to take the USA to war to defend Israel.

OBAMA

2012
teedubbya Offline
#19 Posted: Thu, Jan 12 2012, 5:22 PM EST
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borndead1 wrote:
Among all the Republican candidates, there's only 1 with SUBSTANCE. Ron Paul. This guy was predicting stuff years before it happened. Just look at his old speeches from the 80s and 90s.



this is why some folks draw some unflattering conclusions about Paul supporters. There is only one.
Rclay Offline
#20 Posted: Fri, Jan 13 2012, 12:00 AM EST
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I don't dislike Paul. I am a blend of conservative, libertarian, constitutionalist. However pure libertarians have some views I totally disagree with. I see our congress as a bad willed keystone cops, so getting them to do anything like declare war seems a stretch when they won't stop insider trading & sending pics of their dong. PLEASE UNDERSTAND I love a good discussion/sparring match on these issues, so no need to go passive agressive immediately.
Ron Paul would work as President if as a people we demanded:
Congressional term limits for both houses (why the f@#k is no one talking about this)
Balanced budget amendment added to the constitution
Passage of laws to prohibit insider trading.
ZRX1200 Offline
#21 Posted: Fri, Jan 13 2012, 12:04 AM EST
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Glad to see Le Hockey Dad supports my Ducks in 2012
borndead1 Offline
#22 Posted: Fri, Jan 13 2012, 9:09 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
this is why some folks draw some unflattering conclusions about Paul supporters. There is only one.



Not exactly true. I liked Gary Johnson too, but he dropped out after the first few debates. Now he is running Libertarian. If RP doesn't get the nomination, I will vote for the Libertarian candidate...unless they nominate somebody like Bob Barr again...WTF were they thinking?

As far as your comments about Paulbots...you know what? It's true. The dude is a hero of mine. I've been a fan of Ron Paul since he ran as a Libertarian in 1988 and my 8th grade Spanish teacher was telling the class about RP and the Libertarian philosophy. And I do believe he IS "the only one" right now (of the 2 major parties) who represents REAL change. He doesn't dodge questions. He doesn't change his views or rhetoric based on polls or the audience he happens to be speaking to at the time. I will be the first to admit that his delivery is sometimes not the greatest, but come on...the dude is 76 years old.

But more than RP himself, I am a fan of his beliefs and his determination. I only hope that someone younger, more "eloquent", and more concise in speech picks up the torch after RP retires.
wheelrite Offline
#23 Posted: Fri, Jan 13 2012, 9:41 PM EST
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borndead1 wrote:
Not exactly true. I liked Gary Johnson too, but he dropped out after the first few debates. Now he is running Libertarian. If RP doesn't get the nomination, I will vote for the Libertarian candidate...unless they nominate somebody like Bob Barr again...WTF were they thinking?

As far as your comments about Paulbots...you know what? It's true. The dude is a hero of mine. I've been a fan of Ron Paul since he ran as a Libertarian in 1988 and my 8th grade Spanish teacher was telling the class about RP and the Libertarian philosophy. And I do believe he IS "the only one" right now (of the 2 major parties) who represents REAL change. He doesn't dodge questions. He doesn't change his views or rhetoric based on polls or the audience he happens to be speaking to at the time. I will be the first to admit that his delivery is sometimes not the greatest, but come on...the dude is 76 years old.

But more than RP himself, I am a fan of his beliefs and his determination. I only hope that someone younger, more "eloquent", and more concise in speech picks up the torch after RP retires.


Gary Johnson ???

I just wet my pants giggling,,,

was you Spanish teacher hot ??
d'oh!
borndead1 Offline
#24 Posted: Sat, Jan 14 2012, 8:47 AM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
Gary Johnson ???

I just wet my pants giggling,,,

was you Spanish teacher hot ??
d'oh!



Wheel, I understand you are a Democrat. I get it. But there's no need to lose control of your bladder over it.
wheelrite Offline
#25 Posted: Sat, Jan 14 2012, 8:53 AM EST
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borndead1 wrote:
Wheel, I understand you are a Democrat. I get it. But there's no need to lose control of your bladder over it.



I'm not a Democrat,never have been,never will be.

btw, RP is no Reublican. He ran as an Independent last time. He is just calling himself a Republican . He's a phoney, scumbag ,racist,anti-semite politician like all the rest of them..
whip whip whip whip whip whip whip whip whip whip whip whip whip whip whip whip


wheel,
Stinkdyr Offline
#26 Posted: Tue, Jan 17 2012, 10:43 AM EST
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Wheel is not a Democrat, he is a Republicrat.

Herfing
teedubbya Offline
#27 Posted: Tue, Jan 17 2012, 1:02 PM EST
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borndead1 wrote:
Not exactly true. I liked Gary Johnson too, but he dropped out after the first few debates. Now he is running Libertarian. If RP doesn't get the nomination, I will vote for the Libertarian candidate...unless they nominate somebody like Bob Barr again...WTF were they thinking?

As far as your comments about Paulbots...you know what? It's true. The dude is a hero of mine. I've been a fan of Ron Paul since he ran as a Libertarian in 1988 and my 8th grade Spanish teacher was telling the class about RP and the Libertarian philosophy. And I do believe he IS "the only one" right now (of the 2 major parties) who represents REAL change. He doesn't dodge questions. He doesn't change his views or rhetoric based on polls or the audience he happens to be speaking to at the time. I will be the first to admit that his delivery is sometimes not the greatest, but come on...the dude is 76 years old.

But more than RP himself, I am a fan of his beliefs and his determination. I only hope that someone younger, more "eloquent", and more concise in speech picks up the torch after RP retires.


At least you are honest. I too hope some of his ideas take hold. Just not in their entirety or by his election. He does have merit though.
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