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Top 10 Racist Ron Paul Friends/Supporters
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News One
Ron Paul has a lot of racist supporters, including white supremacist website Stormfront, conspiracy theorist group the John Birch Society and neo-Confederates who believe that the South was right during the civil war. And the support is mutual. While Paul would like you to believe that his connection to racism ended with his newsletters, he has continued to address this group well into the 21st century. Take a look at Ron Paul’s top 10 most-racist supporters.


Top 10 Racist Ron Paul Friends, Supporters
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10. Willis Carto
Willis Carto is a holocaust denier, Hitler admirer and a white supremacist. A former campaigner for segregationist candidate George Wallace, Carto founded the National Alliance with William Pierce, the author of the “Turner Diaries,” which is credited for inspiring Timothy McVeigh. Carto founded the Populist Party in 1984 and ran David Duke as a presidential candidate. Carto also founded the American Free Press, which is labeled as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), where Paul’s column runs. Paul has not sued Carto for running his column or explained how it wound up in a white supremacist publication. The New York Times writes that Paul used the subscription list to a white supremacist publication of Carto’s to solicit donations.





9. Chuck Baldwin
Chuck Baldwin is a neo-Confederate New World Order conspiracy theorist who praises the confederacy and its leaders, Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson, and calls the Civil War the “War of Northern Aggression.” Baldwin writes a weekly column on the white supremacist site Vdare and is a proud supporter of American militia movements. Baldwin is also an Islamaphobe and homophobe.

Not only did Baldwin endorse Paul for president in 2007, but Paul returned the favor, endorsing Baldwin, who he calls his “friend,” for president in 2008. While Paul was quick to criticize Michele Bachmann for her Islamaphobia, he has said nothing about Baldwin’s, the man he endorsed for president. Here are some choice quotes from Baldwin:

I believe homosexuality is moral perversion and deserves no special consideration under the law.
I believe the South was right in the War Between the States, and I am not a racist.
I believe there is a conspiracy by elitists within government and big business to steal America’s independence.
The Muslim religion has been a bloody, murderous religion since its inception.



8. Don Black
Don Black is a former Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, a current member of the American Nazi Party, and the owner and operator of the white supremacist site Stormfront. Black regularly organizes “money bombs” for Ron and Rand Paul and has even taken a picture with Ron Paul, who refused to return donations from Black and Stormfront even with the political tradition of not accepting donations from people who seem unfit. Black, who was sentenced to three years in jail for trying to overthrow the Caribbean country of Dominica in 1981, supports Paul through his Twitter account and on message boards for Stormfront.

Black told the New York Times that it was Paul’s newsletters that inspired him to be a supporter:

That was a big part of his constituency, the paleoconservatives who think there are race problems in this country.



7. Lew Rockwell
Lew Rockwell is a close friend and adviser of Paul’s who served as his congressional chief of staff between 1978 and 1982, worked as a paid consultant for Paul for more than 20 years, and was an editor and alleged ghost writer for his racist newsletters. Rockwell formed the Ludwig Von Mises Institute, which Paul still has a close working relationship with.

The Ludwig Von Mises Institute is listed by the SPLC as a neo-Confederate organization. They also add that Rockwell said that the Civil War “transformed the American regime from a federalist system based on freedom to a centralized state that circumscribed liberty in the name of public order” and that the Civil Rights Movement was the “involuntary servitude” of (presumably white) business owners. Rockwell was listed as one of the racist League of the South’s founding members but denies membership. Rockwell regularly posts articles on his website, attacking a New World Order conspiracy.



6. David Duke
David Duke is a former Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan and candidate for Governor of Louisiana. Duke is also a New World Order conspiracy theorist who believes that Jews control the Federal Reserve. On his website, Duke proudly boasts about the endorsements and kind words that Paul gave him in his newsletters and in turn endorses Paul for president:

Duke’s platform called for tax cuts, no quotas, no affirmative action, no welfare, and no busing…
To many voters, this seems like just plain good sense. Duke carried baggage from his past, the voters were willing to overlook that. If he had been afforded the forgiveness an ex-communist gets, he might have won.
…David Broder, also of the Post and equally liberal, writing on an entirely different subject, had it right: ‘No one wants to talk about race publicly, but if you ask any campaign consultant or pollster privately, the sad reality that a great many working-class and middle class white Americans are far less hostile to the rich and their tax breaks than they are to the poor and minorities with their welfare and affirmative action programs.”
Liberals are notoriously blind to the sociological effects of their own programs. David Duke was hurt by his past. How many more Dukes are waiting in the wings without such a taint?

“Duke lost the election,” it said, “but he scared the blazes out of the Establishment.” In 1991, a newsletter asked, “Is David Duke’s new prominence, despite his losing the gubernatorial election, good for anti-big government forces?” The conclusion was that “our priority should be to take the anti-government, anti-tax, anti-crime, anti-welfare loafers, anti-race privilege, anti-foreign meddling message of Duke, and enclose it in a more consistent package of freedom.”

Duke also gave advice to Paul on his website, saying:

What must Paul do to have any real chance of winning or making a bigger impact? I think he should do exactly what I did in Louisiana, and for Ron Paul to follow exactly the same advice Ron Paul gave in his newsletters for others, take up my campaign issues with passion and purpose.

Could it be that Paul is taking Duke’s advice by hiding the racist “baggage from his past” in a more consistent package of “freedom?”



5. Thomas DiLorenzo
Thomas DiLorenzo is another neo-Confederate who believes the South was right in the the civil war and that Abraham Lincoln was a wicked man who destroyed states’ rights. DiLorenzo is listed as an affiliated scholar with the racist League of the South, which promotes segregation and a new southern secession. Paul invited DiLorenzo to testify before congress about the Federal Reserve and is close friends with Paul and works for the Ludwig Von Mises Instiute. Paul cited DiLorezno’s book when telling Tim Russert that the North should not have fought the Civil War.



4. James Von Brunn
James Von Brunn was a white supremacist and anti-Semite who opened fired at the Holocaust museum, killing an African-American security guard. Von Brunn was an avid Paul supporter who posted a message on the Ron Paul Yahoo Group, saying, “HITLER’S WORST MISTAKE: HE DIDN’T GAS THE JEWS.” In 1983, Von Brunn was convicted of kidnapping members of the Federal Reserve Board, a common target of Paul’s, and was sentenced to six years in prison.Von Brunn died while awaiting sentencing for his crime.



3. William Alexander “Bill” White
Bill White is a neo-Nazi who is a former member of of the neo-Nazi group the National Socialist Movement and founder of his own Nazi group, the National Socialist Worker’s Movement. He has called for the lynching of the Jena 6 and the assassination of NAACP leaders. White previously campaigned for Pat Buchanan and the Reform party. This year, White was convicted of threatening a juror but then freed by a judge who called the threats free speech. White is a former Ron Paul supporter who became disenfranchised with Paul, when a Paul spokesman called white supremacy “a small ideology.” Here is what White wrote about Paul on a popular white supremacist website:

I have kept quiet about the Ron Paul campaign for a while, because I didn’t see any need to say anything that would cause any trouble. However, reading the latest release from his campaign spokesman, I am compelled to tell the truth about Ron Paul’s extensive involvement in white nationalism.

Both Congressman Paul and his aides regularly meet with members of the Stormfront set, American Renaissance, the Institute for Historic Review, and others at the Tara Thai restaurant in Arlington, Virginia, usually on Wednesdays. This is part of a dinner that was originally organized by Pat Buchanan, Sam Francis and Joe Sobran, and has since been mostly taken over by the Council of Conservative Citizens.

I have attended these dinners, seen Paul and his aides there, and been invited to his offices in Washington to discuss policy.

For his spokesman to call white racialism a “small ideology” and claim white activists are “wasting their money” trying to influence Paul is ridiculous. Paul is a white nationalist of the Stormfront type who has always kept his racial views and his views about world Judaism quiet because of his political position.

I don’t know that it is necessarily good for Paul to “expose” this. However, he really is someone with extensive ties to white nationalism and for him to deny that in the belief he will be more respectable by denying it is outrageous – and I hate seeing people in the press who denounce racialism merely because they think it is not fashionable

Bill White, Commander
American National Socialist Workers Party

Ron Paul has not sued White for libel, which would be in his rights to do if White’s statement’s were lies. White is out of jail and has not lost credibility in the white supremacist world, writing for the neo-Nazi website the American Free Press and the same paper that used to carry Paul’s column.



2. Richard Poplawski
Richard Poplawski is a neo-Nazi from Pittsburgh who regularly posted on the neo-Nazi website Stormfront. Poplawski would post videos of Ron Paul talking about FEMA camp conspiracy theories with Glenn Beck.

Polawski was afraid of a government conspiracy to take away people’s guns and wound up killing three police officers who came to his house after his mother made a domestic dispute call.



1. Jules Manson
Jules Manson was a failed politician from Carson, Calif. Mason was also a big Paul supporter who would write, “I may be an athiest, but Ron Paul is my God,” on Paul’s website. Manson would also write, “Assassinate that n*gger and his family of monkeys,” of President Barack Obama.

This is not guilty by association. Ron Paul has spread white supremacy on conspiracy theories for years in his newsletters. The racism and conspiracy theories have driven some people to violence. Not only have Ron Paul’s racist supporters endorsed him and his views, he has endorsed them through his positions on the Civil War and the Civil Rights movement, without disavowing the support he gets from racists. This is guilt by racism.


Flapper
wheel,
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Awesome. The guilt by who supports you game.
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Wheel...did you vote for McCain in 2008?


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Bill: Who would you have us vote for and why? I find every candidate guilty as hell on different levels. Is 4 more years of Obama better than Paul? How's Romney going to save us? Perry?

I'm contemplating voting for Paul because I truly believe he can do a budget and understands the economy. I don't believe any of the candidates (Rs or Ds) can turn the economy around and balance a budget.
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chiefburg wrote:
Bill: Who would you have us vote for and why? I find every candidate guilty as hell on different levels. Is 4 more years of Obama better than Paul? How's Romney going to save us? Perry?

I'm contemplating voting for Paul because I truly believe he can do a budget and understands the economy. I don't believe any of the candidates (Rs or Ds) can turn the economy around and balance a budget.


Chief,,
a write in vote for RP is a wasted vote.If you do so you'll insure Obama 4 more years..
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borndead1 wrote:
Wheel...did you vote for McCain in 2008?



I did,,
did you ?
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At the end of all the arguing, conservatives will vote for whoever, they don't care, as long as it's not Obama. Sure there will be some protestations and a gag reflex, but they will pull the lever for Romney thinking he is the best of the worst. All the 'we're principled and don't listen to polls' bs always falls away in November and the lesser of two evils will be chosen.
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I wont Fuzzy.


Bill you know the group that was cited in this story, the southern poverty law center has said that they don't think Paul is a racist right?

Another very weak attempt at labeling him Bill.


As for the others on the list above, Chuck Baldwin has never given me any indication of being a hateful man any of the many times I've heard him speak.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I wont Fuzzy.


Bill you know the group that was cited in this story, the southern poverty law center has said that they don't think Paul is a racist right?

Another very weak attempt at labeling him Bill.


As for the others on the list above, Chuck Baldwin has never given me any indication of being a hateful man any of the many times I've heard him speak.


Sure, not everyone will. It's just not going to be a significant enough number to effect the outcome this year.

The Southern Poverty Law Center is now believable and authoritative as long as it says something we agree with?
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I have my issues with them Fuzzy. I was pointing out that the group that was citing so much in this story has defended Pauls character.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I wont Fuzzy.


Bill you know the group that was cited in this story, the southern poverty law center has said that they don't think Paul is a racist right?

Another very weak attempt at labeling him Bill.


As for the others on the list above, Chuck Baldwin has never given me any indication of being a hateful man any of the many times I've heard him speak.


I label nobody..
He is who/what he is...

If ,and it won't happen RP was president he would never be able to do the things all his toadies want him to do.
No legal drugs
The Fed will still exist
We will continue our military role around the world.
He won't be able to drastically reduce any spending.
We will still protect Israel

Sadly, the die was cast 50 yrs ago.We are a psuedo socilaist country .Too many sucklers at the teat that will never release it.

face the horror and behave...
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Well good morning Mr. Half-empty
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Well good morning Mr. Half-empty


You know me better than that..

I'm a self serving pragmatist,,,

Voting for a Nutt Job that has no chance of being elected will give us 4 more years of Obama.
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wheelrite wrote:
I did,,
did you ?



John McCain endorsed George Wallace Jr., a favorite speaker among white supremacists.

He was endorsed by the KKK in 2008.

One of his political consultants was a guy named Richard Quinn, who published the racist Southern Partisan Quarterly Review.


He also referred to the Vietnamese as "gooks" for decades.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2rpvj9NSXM&feature=player_embedded



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Btw,
All you RP'rs beware,,

Remember the Rev. Wright stuff. He told us all exactly who and what Obama is.The voters and media chose to ignore it.

All you RP people will be very disappointed if he would be President...
You imprint YOUR hopes on him..


wheel
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borndead1 wrote:
John McCain endorsed George Wallace Jr., a favorite speaker among white supremacists.

He was endorsed by the KKK in 2008.

One of his political consultants was a guy named Richard Quinn, who published the racist Southern Partisan Quarterly Review.


He also referred to the Vietnamese as "gooks" for decades.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2rpvj9NSXM&feature=player_embedded





I voted for him because he was a better choice than Barry. Mc Cain would have been better than what we have now.

AND,if by some miracle RP was the nominee I would vote for him as well. But, that will not be the case.
d'oh!
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Thank you for your support!
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wheelrite wrote:
I voted for him because he was a better choice than Barry. Mc Cain would have been better than what we have now.

AND,if by some miracle RP was the nominee I would vote for him as well. But, that will not be the case.
d'oh!


FuzzNJ wrote:
At the end of all the arguing, conservatives will vote for whoever, they don't care, as long as it's not Obama. Sure there will be some protestations and a gag reflex, but they will pull the lever for Romney thinking he is the best of the worst. All the 'we're principled and don't listen to polls' bs always falls away in November and the lesser of two evils will be chosen.

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FuzzNJ wrote:
At the end of all the arguing, conservatives will vote for whoever, they don't care, as long as it's not Obama. Sure there will be some protestations and a gag reflex, but they will pull the lever for Romney thinking he is the best of the worst. All the 'we're principled and don't listen to polls' bs always falls away in November and the lesser of two evils will be chosen.




That did not happen for Bush Sr., Dole, McLame, and I predict will not happen for Romney. Folks will either stay home (again) or vote for a third party spoiler.

I think that the Democratic party has more die hard water carriers who have a vested interest in maintaining social programs. IMO, the Republican party is dying & giving way to Libertarian and Independents, many of whom have no interest in maintaining the status quo if it has a proven track record of failure in their eyes.
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bloody spaniard wrote:
IMO, the Republican party is dying & giving way to Libertarian and Independents, many of whom have no interest in maintaining the status quo if it has a proven track record of failure in their eyes.



Yes, and I refuse to give them a vote because it's the lesser of 2 evils.

Look at the crop we have up there running for the GOP. What a pathetic bunch of retreads with the same Progressive mantra behind them that Wheel says he hates! Then what does he do? He post an article by a bunch of racists that either see a Paul Presidency as shaking the tree or a vote for a white guy or whatever crazy reason he wants to try to make but he STILL fails to study up on what the man has written.

Good luck Bill. Look around on this forum...there are people here that aren't subscribing to the game anymore that you want to keep on playing. You want to support Progressivism and call it "pragmatic" yet you fail to understand the word even after you had me go look it up. Theory meeting Practice to form a better way? No, you want to keep on voting for the same pigs that have been eating at the taxpayer's trough.

Bangladesh is getting BILLIONS over 5 years! Just keep on printing more money.

Wake up. You've already lost and you don't even know it.
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Yes, and I refuse to give them a vote because it's the lesser of 2 evils.

Look at the crop we have up there running for the GOP. What a pathetic bunch of retreads with the same Progressive mantra behind them that Wheel says he hates! Then what does he do? He post an article by a bunch of racists that either see a Paul Presidency as shaking the tree or a vote for a white guy or whatever crazy reason he wants to try to make but he STILL fails to study up on what the man has written.

Good luck Bill. Look around on this forum...there are people here that aren't subscribing to the game anymore that you want to keep on playing. You want to support Progressivism and call it "pragmatic" yet you fail to understand the word even after you had me go look it up. Theory meeting Practice to form a better way? No, you want to keep on voting for the same pigs that have been eating at the taxpayer's trough.

Bangladesh is getting BILLIONS over 5 years! Just keep on printing more money.

Wake up. You've already lost and you don't even know it.


Johan..
as you know I enjoy tweeking people sometimes,that's all.

But ,I am a pragmatist, and I believe it really won't matter who occupies the White House anymore. Too many people get too much from the Gov't and not enough people pay taxes for anything to change.

I do admire the RP people's wishful thinking,though...
and I do luv ya Bro...
Beer
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wheelrite wrote:
Johan..
as you know I enjoy tweeking people sometimes,that's all.

But ,I am a pragmatist, and I believe it really won't matter who occupies the White House anymore. Too many people get too much from the Gov't and not enough people pay taxes for anything to change.

I do admire the RP people's wishful thinking,though...
and I do luv ya Bro...
Beer



Good luck with the game.

I'm out. done.

Until the entire thing falls flat and people wake up that they've been swindled NOTHING is gonna change in DC.

Robbing Peter to pay Paul and QE XXXVII are what they do. It doesn't matter what party. They BOTH do it. War? They both start them. Entitlements? They both give them away. There's no difference. I'm not being a smartass or tweaking anyone to get a response here. It's the flat out truth.

I am done.

If you cannot see the difference then its a real shame.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iix18rtJmU0
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bloody spaniard wrote:
That did not happen for Bush Sr., Dole, McLame, and I predict will not happen for Romney. Folks will either stay home (again) or vote for a third party spoiler.


Sure it did. The independents swing an election. Who did the Republicans vote for last time, and afterward say he was no good. Sure the die hards complained, but they still voted for him. The really pissed off people will leave president blank or write someone in, but more will rationalize their vote somehow.

Same is true with most Democratic candidates too. It's the vote for the lesser of two evils. There won't be a third party run that makes a difference this year. Protest votes will be insignificant. Last time it mattered was 20 years ago and a little bit in 2000 as Nader drew away votes from Gore in Florida.

bloody spaniard wrote:

I think that the Democratic party has more die hard water carriers who have a vested interest in maintaining social programs. IMO, the Republican party is dying & giving way to Libertarian and Independents, many of whom have no interest in maintaining the status quo if it has a proven track record of failure in their eyes.


I don't doubt that you do, that's a standard conservative line of thinking. Just like I think there are more religious voters voting for candidates that pander to them instead of actual actions. There are liberals who have no interest in maintaining the status quo too. Occupy movement shows this in one example. The Nader runs another. There is no party label on single issue voting and ignorance of the issues. Hell, I read wrong 'facts' on this board constantly that if used to make a decision (which they aren't) would effect their choice if they didn't believe all the sh*t said about the other party.

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Yes, and I refuse to give them a vote because it's the lesser of 2 evils.

Look at the crop we have up there running for the GOP. What a pathetic bunch of retreads with the same Progressive mantra behind them that Wheel says he hates! Then what does he do? He post an article by a bunch of racists that either see a Paul Presidency as shaking the tree or a vote for a white guy or whatever crazy reason he wants to try to make but he STILL fails to study up on what the man has written.

Good luck Bill. Look around on this forum...there are people here that aren't subscribing to the game anymore that you want to keep on playing. You want to support Progressivism and call it "pragmatic" yet you fail to understand the word even after you had me go look it up. Theory meeting Practice to form a better way? No, you want to keep on voting for the same pigs that have been eating at the taxpayer's trough.

Bangladesh is getting BILLIONS over 5 years! Just keep on printing more money.

Wake up. You've already lost and you don't even know it.


Here's someone who want to 'make a difference' and shouting at windmills. I do this too. Frustration the same, different ideas for solutions.
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Until the entire thing falls flat and people wake up that they've been swindled NOTHING is gonna change in DC.


Barring a catastrophe bigger than a foreign war, bigger than 9/11 or a huge, nationwide natural disaster, this will never happen. Most people are too busy trying to survive than spend time thinking about world politics. We are the lucky ones.


DrMaddVibe wrote:

If you cannot see the difference then its a real shame.


Ok, I know you hate me, but now ganging up on someone who doesn't like your favorite candidate in the same party? C'mon. He's not stupid, he disagrees with you. I think that's something you need to work on.
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Barring a catastrophe bigger than a foreign war, bigger than 9/11 or a huge, nationwide natural disaster, this will never happen. Most people are too busy trying to survive than spend time thinking about world politics. We are the lucky ones.




Ok, I know you hate me, but now ganging up on someone who doesn't like your favorite candidate in the same party? C'mon. He's not stupid, he disagrees with you. I think that's something you need to work on.


I'm not Fredo.
I want respect !!!!!
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wheelrite wrote:

I want respect !!!!!


We all have our dreams.
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Barring a catastrophe bigger than a foreign war, bigger than 9/11 or a huge, nationwide natural disaster, this will never happen. Most people are too busy trying to survive than spend time thinking about world politics. We are the lucky ones.




Ok, I know you hate me, but now ganging up on someone who doesn't like your favorite candidate in the same party? C'mon. He's not stupid, he disagrees with you. I think that's something you need to work on.



I really don't care about the world politics and if you think I'm being "ganged" up on??? Whatever. Grow up. Be a man for once in your life instead of a little tool.
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
I really don't care about the world politics and if you think I'm being "ganged" up on??? Whatever. Grow up. Be a man for once in your life instead of a little tool.


lmao Jeez dude, read the post and understand it before you post. You're such an angry guy.
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
I really don't care about the world politics and if you think I'm being "ganged" up on??? Whatever. Grow up. Be a man for once in your life instead of a little tool.


LMAO !
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Bill Ayres, Andy Stern, Jeremiah Wright, Saul Alinsky (dedicated book to Satan), Van Jones...I could go on. Is it worse to have bad people like you or to be a devout student and associate of very bad people?
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Rclay wrote:
Bill Ayres, Andy Stern, Jeremiah Wright, Saul Alinsky (dedicated book to Satan), Van Jones...I could go on. Is it worse to have bad people like you or to be a devout student and associate of very bad people?



lmao. some guilt by associations are different than others, that's what you are saying? Rumsfeld meeting with Saddam, shaking hands and providing him weapons is ok. Your preacher being something we don't like, fair game. And Alinsky? You gotta be kidding there. That's one of those made up bs attacks and you are buying it because you don't like the guy.

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I'm don't really have a definitive view point of Paul as a president, some things I like somethings seem like they would work if everything else was working the way it was intended rather than how it is working now. I'm not really a Bush defender either, never have been, but you really have to ignore the obvious not to know most of the people in the potus' orbit hate the idea of who we are as a people and want to put in a system that is ALWAYS filled with corruption and abuse where ever it is installed. BIRDS IN THE SAME FLOCK END UP WITH THE SAME FEATHERS.
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To be curious. What are some of your favorite stogies?
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Rclay wrote:
To be curious. What are some of your favorite stogies?


Is that for me? The 'you probably don't smoke cigars' thing?

I don't smoke stogies. My favorites are usually made with Nicaraguan tobacco, like Oliva, not the G's though, too mushy. O's and V's are great. Padron good. Tatuaje rarely dissapoints. 25 years ago I was into Arturo Fuente.
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Don't smoke stogies? You lost me on that remark. You are rejecting common BOTL colloquialisms and you've been smoking for over 25 years? Oliva Master blend 3 was one of the best cigars I had all of last year, It was just an incredible box I think, I've had others that were not as good.

I had to see if someone in diametrical opposition would like the same STOGIES as me. Also, wanted to see if you were a just here to keep tabs on us. Tell big Sis I said Hi!
bloody spaniard Offline
#37 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Sure it did. The independents swing an election. Who did the Republicans vote for last time, and afterward say he was no good. Sure the die hards complained, but they still voted for him. The really pissed off people will leave president blank or write someone in, but more will rationalize their vote somehow.

Same is true with most Democratic candidates too. It's the vote for the lesser of two evils. There won't be a third party run that makes a difference this year. Protest votes will be insignificant. Last time it mattered was 20 years ago and a little bit in 2000 as Nader drew away votes from Gore in Florida.





We'll have to agree to disagree on this one, Fuzz, because the independent and libertarian folk abandoned the GOP in droves with the aforementioned failed Republican candidates. Many of my buds went with Perot rather than stay with a couple of doddering old, middle of the road, milquetoasts like Bush Sr. & Dole. And when you have Eisenhower kin come forward & endorse Obama instead of McLame... sorry, but you'll have to connect the dots... LOL!!
Stinkdyr Offline
#38 Posted:
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Republicrats = Demicans.


This is why Ron Paul has traction.

fog
Rclay Offline
#39 Posted:
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The Democratic-Republican party was the progenitor of today's multiple choice version of a political system, although it took a few twists an turns to get here.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#40 Posted:
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Posts: 55,498
Stinkdyr wrote:
Republicrats = Demicans.


This is why Ron Paul has traction.

fog



Don't tell Wheels though...poor boy just might wet hisself!
teedubbya Offline
#41 Posted:
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Maybe it really is time for a realignment of parties like in the early to mid 1800s.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#42 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
Maybe it really is time for a realignment of parties like in the early to mid 1800s.



Whoa...hold on there Hoss...we liked it better when them sissys stayed in the closet!
teedubbya Offline
#43 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Whoa...hold on there Hoss...we liked it better when them sissys stayed in the closet!


I just want to wear one of those funny whig things like eric
DrMaddVibe Offline
#44 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
I just want to wear one of those funny whig things like eric



no feather boa?
teedubbya Offline
#45 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
no feather boa?


they make me break out










































in ethel murman songs
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#46 Posted:
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