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Which Way Is Up?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,552
The signals aren't clear. DC is being run by film-flam artists and everyone is either drinking the kool-aid or is complacent with what's going on. Today's headlines make it maddening to know what the "game plan" is. Do they even bother to hold meetings there to make sure everyone is on point?

Here...see for yourself...

ARTICLE #1

Obama Chief Of Staff: "American People Should Be Pleased" That Economy Is Improving

"The American people should be pleased that we now have a recovery that is taking root. The job growth across all the sectors of the economy, it's not the result of people leaving the workforce. It's the result of private sector job creation. This is good. The thing that we have to be careful about is to make sure that Washington doesn't get in the way," new White House Chief of Staff Jack Lew said on NBC's "Meet the Press" today.

"Last year we saw an awful lot of instances where Washington's dysfunction became part of the uncertainty and problem in the economy. Congress has a challenge from now to the end of February to extend the payroll tax cut so that we continue to get the boost the economy needs. I hope Congress can do the job, get it done and we can keep the wind at our backs instead of becoming part of the problem, which is what happened last year," he said.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/02/12/obama_chief_of_staff_american_people_should_be_pleased_that_economy_is_improving.html



ARTICLE #2


Privately, Obama sees recovery 1-2 years off by Paul Bedard

The public President Obama, bubbly in his reelection campaigning about a recovering U.S. economy, isn’t as optimistic in private, telling a select few that it will likely take up to two years for any recovery to click in.

A letter provided to Washington Secrets from Obama to a long-unemployed Portland, Maine carpenter pulls back the curtain of economic hope to reveal the truth about the stagnant economy. “I won’t lie to you,” Obama penned in hand to Charles Oliver in October. “It will probably take another year or two to fully dig our way out of this hole.”

Oliver had written the president in June to ask: “Are we as Americans going to be alright?” Answered Obama, “Yes, we will be ok. Because America has gotten through tough times before, and because of good people like you.”

While happy for the response, Oliver told us that he hasn’t seen any of the recovery the president and media have been heralding. “He’s out campaigning saying everything is coming up roses. He’s a lying SOB,” Oliver said of Obama, who has tried to temper his hopefulness with cautions that the recovery could hit speed bumps.

Oliver recently sold his letter through a dealer to pay for truck repairs but remains unemployed. Another firm, Alexander Autographs now has his letter and is offering it to the first buyer who bids over $10,000. The company’s president, Bill Panagopulos, told us that he will give half of the profit to any company that gives Oliver a full-time job.

http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/privately-obama-sees-recovery-1-2-years/372116




So? See what I mean? The Kenyan King is an Empty Suit just like I said. His Keystone Cop Administration is fraught with criminals, liars, swindlers and even bamboozlers!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuB_W8o_UsU
wheelrite Offline
#2 Posted:
Joined: 11-01-2006
Posts: 50,119
Welcome to the Borg
pgje51 Offline
#3 Posted:
Joined: 01-13-2006
Posts: 5,013
It's all a big f'n numbers game, and the numbers would indicate just how much we are f'd.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u24nH03NccI&feature=player_embedded - the Bill Whittle Channel
rfenst Offline
#4 Posted:
Joined: 06-23-2007
Posts: 39,415
Apples to Oranges:

"[W]e now have a recovery that is taking root."

v.

“It will probably take another year or two to fully dig our way out of this hole.”

Simpled translation: Recovery has begun. It will take a year or two to fully get out of recession. Seriously, where is the contradiction in those two statement?
HockeyDad Offline
#5 Posted:
Joined: 09-20-2000
Posts: 46,187
Under the Obama Cone of Protection, there was no recession. Gravy!
Rclay Offline
#6 Posted:
Joined: 10-30-2006
Posts: 1,813
George Orwell's 1984 is a famous dystopian novel. The novel revolves around the experience of Winston Smith. Big Brother is watching; and thoughtcrime is illegal. Here are a few quotes from 1984.

"Winston had disliked her from the very first moment of seeing her. He knew the reason. It was because of the atmosphere of hockey-fields and cold baths and community hikes and general clean-mindedness which she managed to carry about her. He disliked nearly all woman, and especially the young and pretty ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies and nosers-out of unorthodoxy."
- George Orwell, 1984, Book 1, Chapter 1
"The thought police would get him just the same. He had committed--would have committed, even if he had never set pen to paper--the essential crime that contained all others in itself. Thoughtcrime, they called it. Thoughtcrime was not a thing that could be concealed forever. You might dodge successfully for a while, even for years, but sooner or later they were bound to get you."
- George Orwell, 1984, Book 1, Chapter 1
"People simply disappeared, always during the night. Your name was removed from the registers, every record of everything you had ever done was wiped out, your one-time existence was denied and then forgotten. You were abolished, annihilated: vaporized was the usual word."
- George Orwell, 1984, Book 1, Chapter 1
"Parsons was Winston's fellow employee at the Ministry of Truth. He was a fattish but active man of paralyzing stupidity, a mass of imbecile enthusiasms-one of those completely unquestioning, devoted drudges on whom, more even than on the thought police, the stability of the Party depended."
- George Orwell, 1984, Book 1, Chapter 2
"Nearly all children nowadays were horrible. What was worst of all was that by means of such organizations as the Spies they were systematically turned into ungovernable little savages, and yet this produced in them no tendency whatever to rebel against the discipline of the Party. On the contrary, they adored the Party and everything connected with it... All their ferocity was turned outwards, against the enemies of the State, against foreigners, traitors, saboteurs, thought-criminals. It was almost normal for people over thirty to be frightened of their own children."
- George Orwell, 1984, Book 1, Chapter 2
"Thoughtcrime does not entail death: thoughtcrime is death."
- George Orwell, 1984, Book 1, Chapter 2
"If the Party could thrust its hand into the past and say this or that even, it never happened-that, surely, was more terrifying than mere torture and death."
- George Orwell, 1984, Book 1, Chapter 3
"And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed-if all records told the same tale-then the lie passed into history and became truth. 'Who controls the past' ran the Party slogan, 'controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.'"
- George Orwell, 1984, Book 1, Chapter 3
"Day by day and almost minute by minute the past was brought up to date. In this way every prediction made by the Party could be shown by documentary evidence to have been correct; nor was any item of news, or any expression of opinion, which conflicted with the needs of the moment, ever allowed to remain on record. All history was a palimpsest, scraped clean and reinscribed exactly as often as was necessary."
- George Orwell, 1984, Book 1, Chapter 3
"Don't you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought?... Has it ever occurred to your, Winston, that by the year 2050, at the very latest, not a single human being will be alive who could understand such a conversation as we are having now?... The whole climate of thought will be different. In fact, there will be no thought, as we understand it now. Orthodoxy means not thinking-not needing to think. Orthodoxy is unconsciousness."
- George Orwell, 1984, Book 1, Chapter 5
"It was terribly dangerous to let your thoughts wander when you were in any public place or within range of a telescreen. The smallest thing could give you away. A nervous tic, an unconscious look of anxiety, a habit of muttering to yourself--anything that carried with it the suggestion of abnormality, of having something to hide. In any case, to wear an improper expression on your face...; was itself a punishable offense. There was even a word for it in Newspeak: facecrime..."
- George Orwell, 1984, Book 1, Chapter 5
"Your worst enemy, he reflected, was your nervous system. At any moment the tension inside you was liable to translate itself into some visible symptom."
- George Orwell, 1984, Book 1, Chapter 6
rfenst Offline
#7 Posted:
Joined: 06-23-2007
Posts: 39,415
Rclay wrote:
George Orwell's 1984 is a famous dystopian novel. The novel revolves around the experience of Winston Smith. Big Brother is watching; and thoughtcrime is illegal. Here are a few quotes from 1984.

"Winston had disliked her from the very first moment of seeing her. He knew the reason. It was because of the atmosphere of hockey-fields and cold baths and community hikes and general clean-mindedness which she managed to carry about her. He disliked nearly all woman, and especially the young and pretty ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies and nosers-out of unorthodoxy."
- George Orwell, 1984, Book 1, Chapter 1
"The thought police would get him just the same. He had committed--would have committed, even if he had never set pen to paper--the essential crime that contained all others in itself. Thoughtcrime, they called it. Thoughtcrime was not a thing that could be concealed forever. You might dodge successfully for a while, even for years, but sooner or later they were bound to get you."
- George Orwell, 1984, Book 1, Chapter 1
"People simply disappeared, always during the night. Your name was removed from the registers, every record of everything you had ever done was wiped out, your one-time existence was denied and then forgotten. You were abolished, annihilated: vaporized was the usual word."
- George Orwell, 1984, Book 1, Chapter 1
"Parsons was Winston's fellow employee at the Ministry of Truth. He was a fattish but active man of paralyzing stupidity, a mass of imbecile enthusiasms-one of those completely unquestioning, devoted drudges on whom, more even than on the thought police, the stability of the Party depended."
- George Orwell, 1984, Book 1, Chapter 2
"Nearly all children nowadays were horrible. What was worst of all was that by means of such organizations as the Spies they were systematically turned into ungovernable little savages, and yet this produced in them no tendency whatever to rebel against the discipline of the Party. On the contrary, they adored the Party and everything connected with it... All their ferocity was turned outwards, against the enemies of the State, against foreigners, traitors, saboteurs, thought-criminals. It was almost normal for people over thirty to be frightened of their own children."
- George Orwell, 1984, Book 1, Chapter 2
"Thoughtcrime does not entail death: thoughtcrime is death."
- George Orwell, 1984, Book 1, Chapter 2
"If the Party could thrust its hand into the past and say this or that even, it never happened-that, surely, was more terrifying than mere torture and death."
- George Orwell, 1984, Book 1, Chapter 3
"And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed-if all records told the same tale-then the lie passed into history and became truth. 'Who controls the past' ran the Party slogan, 'controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.'"
- George Orwell, 1984, Book 1, Chapter 3
"Day by day and almost minute by minute the past was brought up to date. In this way every prediction made by the Party could be shown by documentary evidence to have been correct; nor was any item of news, or any expression of opinion, which conflicted with the needs of the moment, ever allowed to remain on record. All history was a palimpsest, scraped clean and reinscribed exactly as often as was necessary."
- George Orwell, 1984, Book 1, Chapter 3
"Don't you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought?... Has it ever occurred to your, Winston, that by the year 2050, at the very latest, not a single human being will be alive who could understand such a conversation as we are having now?... The whole climate of thought will be different. In fact, there will be no thought, as we understand it now. Orthodoxy means not thinking-not needing to think. Orthodoxy is unconsciousness."
- George Orwell, 1984, Book 1, Chapter 5
"It was terribly dangerous to let your thoughts wander when you were in any public place or within range of a telescreen. The smallest thing could give you away. A nervous tic, an unconscious look of anxiety, a habit of muttering to yourself--anything that carried with it the suggestion of abnormality, of having something to hide. In any case, to wear an improper expression on your face...; was itself a punishable offense. There was even a word for it in Newspeak: facecrime..."
- George Orwell, 1984, Book 1, Chapter 5
"Your worst enemy, he reflected, was your nervous system. At any moment the tension inside you was liable to translate itself into some visible symptom."
- George Orwell, 1984, Book 1, Chapter 6




Seems like it would be easier just to re-read the book. huh?
Rclay Offline
#8 Posted:
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Do you need me to explain it?
Rclay Offline
#9 Posted:
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You're taking FuzzNJ's place. Where is that malcontent anyway?
rfenst Offline
#10 Posted:
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Rclay wrote:
Do you need me to explain it?


Yes, please do. make sure it is on the level of a seven year old so that I can get it.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#11 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,552
rfenst wrote:
Apples to Oranges:

"[W]e now have a recovery that is taking root."

v.

“It will probably take another year or two to fully dig our way out of this hole.”

Simpled translation: Recovery has begun. It will take a year or two to fully get out of recession. Seriously, where is the contradiction in those two statement?



That's what you pulled from it, eh?

Well then the price tag was just window dressing?

Yeah, imagine if we didn't bailout one single company and the losers were allowed to go through Bankruptcy Protection? Your kids wouldn't be slaves to a debt they didn't have one thing to do with and we'd only be paying for 5 wars.



HockeyDad Offline
#12 Posted:
Joined: 09-20-2000
Posts: 46,187
DrMaddVibe wrote:
we'd only be paying for 5 wars.




Soon to be 6!
DrMaddVibe Offline
#13 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,552
HockeyDad wrote:
Soon to be 6!


THAT'S Apples v. Oranges!

d'oh!
Rclay Offline
#14 Posted:
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Government Apples v. Government Oranges
rfenst Offline
#15 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
That's what you pulled from it, eh?

Well then the price tag was just window dressing?

Yeah, imagine if we didn't bailout one single company and the losers were allowed to go through Bankruptcy Protection? Your kids wouldn't be slaves to a debt they didn't have one thing to do with and we'd only be paying for 5 wars.





Yes. Your stated point was that the signals aren't clear- perhaps even contradictory.

The "price tag", "window dressing", "bailout", "Bankruptcy Protection" and my kids being "slaves" weren't part of the OP. they are just a straw-man.
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