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Obama to ban children from doing farm chores
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 A proposal from the Obama administration to prevent children from doing farm chores has drawn plenty of criticism from rural-district members of Congress. But now it’s attracting barbs from farm kids themselves.

The Department of Labor is poised to put the finishing touches on a rule that would apply child-labor laws to children working on family farms, prohibiting them from performing a list of jobs on their own families’ land.

Under the rules, children under 18 could no longer work “in the storing, marketing and transporting of farm product raw materials.”

“Prohibited places of employment,” a Department press release read, “would include country grain elevators, grain bins, silos, feed lots, stockyards, livestock exchanges and livestock auctions.”

The new regulations, first proposed August 31 by Labor Secretary Hilda Solis, would also revoke the government’s approval of safety training and certification taught by independent groups like 4-H and 
FFA, replacing them instead with a 90-hour federal government training course.

Rossie Blinson, a 21-year-old college student from Buis Creek, N.C., told The Daily Caller that the federal government’s plan will do far more harm than good.

“The main concern I have is that it would prevent kids from doing 4-H and FFA projects if they’re not at their parents’ house,” said Blinson.

“I started showing sheep when I was four years old. I started with cattle around 8. It’s been very important. I learned a lot of responsibility being a farm kid.”

In Kansas, Cherokee County Farm Bureau president Jeff Clark was out in the field — literally on a tractor — when TheDC reached him. He said if Solis’s regulations are implemented, farming families’ labor losses from their children will only be part of the problem.

“What would be more of a blow,” he said, “is not teaching our kids the values of working on a farm.”

The Environmental Protection Agency reports that the average age of the American farmer is now over 50.

“Losing that work-ethic — it’s so hard to pick this up later in life,” Clark said. “There’s other ways to learn how to farm, but it’s so hard. You can learn so much more working on the farm when you’re 12, 13, 14 years old.”

John Weber, 19, understands this. The Minneapolis native grew up in suburbia and learned the livestock business working summers on his relatives’ farm.

He’s now a college Agriculture major.

“I started working on my grandparent’s and uncle’s farms for a couple of weeks in the summer when I was 12,” Weber told TheDC. “I started spending full summers there when I was 13.”

“The work ethic is a huge part of it. It gave me a lot of direction and opportunity in my life. If they do this it will prevent a lot of interest in agriculture. It’s harder to get a 16 year-old interested in farming than a 12 year old.”

Weber is also a small businessman. In high school, he said, he took out a loan and bought a few steers to raise for income. “Under these regulations,” he explained, “I wouldn’t be allowed to do that.”
DrafterX Offline
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we should be teaching kids to drill..... Mellow
DadZilla3 Offline
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Look at it from Obama's point of view. If farm kids learn from a young age the value of hard work, responsibility, cooperative effort, and all that other oppressive clinging-to-guns-and-religion stuff, there's a good chance they'll grow up independent, productive, and self supporting citizens with no need for the cradle to grave nanny state.

No dedicated Socialist would ever stand for that.
ZRX1200 Offline
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I think Mr Soetoro needs a civilian force greater than our Army, to make hot wings for Chewbacca.
raymallen Offline
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I love bloggers' and news anchors' play on words "Obama Administration". I'm not an Obama fan, but from a logical stand point, any one that knows any basics of the American legal system know the president has nothing to do with writing laws.... just sayin.
chiefburg Offline
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Surely this can't be for real. I doubt any politician would propose or support such a silly law. Farming has been a family business since the dawn of time. No one in their right mind would considerb such crap.

I'm calling shannigans on this one......
chiefburg Offline
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Surely this can't be for real. I doubt any politician would propose or support such a silly law. Farming has been a family business since the dawn of time. No one in their right mind would consider such crap.

I'm calling shannigans on this one......
raymallen Offline
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chiefburg wrote:
Surely this can't be for real. I doubt any politician would propose or support such a silly law. Farming has been a family business since the dawn of time. No one in their right mind would consider such crap.

I'm calling shannigans on this one......


I agree with your statement, by the way this article was written, seems like an unreliable source (and completely speculative). Again, I'm no Obama fan, but people play the democrat vs. republican game every year. To me, it just screams ignorance.

In my opinion, it's time people base opinions on facts! not on party lines or ridiculous media opinions.
wheelrite Offline
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raymallen wrote:
I love bloggers' and news anchors' play on words "Obama Administration". I'm not an Obama fan, but from a logical stand point, any one that knows any basics of the American legal system know the president has nothing to do with writing laws.... just sayin.


um..

This is not a "LAW". It's a regulation imposed by Obama appointees at his behest..

Did you miss Civics Class ? d'oh!

wheel,
wheelrite Offline
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Yes this is for real...

It's an attempt to force farmers to "HIRE" labor ,

United Farm Workers ?????
chiefburg Offline
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If this is real, it better die a quick death and not come to fruition. This is absurd and doesn't come close to passing any common sense test.
jackconrad Offline
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Why plow da fields when you can deal some crack and drive a Bently instead of a Deere..
ZRX1200 Offline
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Pay attention boys and girls.


Who in big Agro controls throws of power?


Who would benefit from amall farmers being forced to hire illegal aliens (future demoncat voters is just bonus points) like they do instead of the family running their business ON THEIR OWN GAWDDAMN LAND.







rallyman go do some reading on Soetoro and his use of executive orders.


Then go do some reading on agenda 21.


There's a reason some dont want you to have control of where and when you go somewhere. They dont want you to have private land. They dont want you to have food safety with local farming.
jetblasted Offline
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I got if from a link off the Drudge Report. Just google the title & you'll get a ton of responses.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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jetblasted wrote:
I got if from a link off the Drudge Report. Just google the title & you'll get a ton of responses.



Oh..then **** Drudge and his links..just remember that there's tons of of people with REAL experience waiting for those jobs...Gonz


http://omg.yahoo.com/blogs/now/octomom-investigated-cps-complaints-her-home-no-plumbing-180648499.html
raymallen Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Pay attention boys and girls.


Who in big Agro controls throws of power?


Who would benefit from amall farmers being forced to hire illegal aliens (future demoncat voters is just bonus points) like they do instead of the family running their business ON THEIR OWN GAWDDAMN LAND.







rallyman go do some reading on Soetoro and his use of executive orders.


Then go do some reading on agenda 21.


There's a reason some dont want you to have control of where and when you go somewhere. They dont want you to have private land. They dont want you to have food safety with local farming.


I know the powers of government. But the title of the post suggests something deceptive to the real matter at hand.
wheelrite Offline
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raymallen wrote:
I know the powers of government. But the title of the post suggests something deceptive to the real matter at hand.


Really how 's that ?

The tittle is succinct and to the point...
And it is correct...

Naiveity is cute with 12 yr old girls...
raymallen Offline
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wheelrite wrote:
Really how 's that ?

The tittle is succinct and to the point...
And it is correct...

Naiveity is cute with 12 yr old girls...


"Obama to ban children from doing farm chores"
I don't think I need to explain why that's deceiving.
tailgater Offline
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raymallen wrote:
"Obama to ban children from doing farm chores"
I don't think I need to explain why that's deceiving.


Early in the first post:
"..The Department of Labor is poised to put the finishing touches on a rule that would apply child-labor laws to children working on family farms, prohibiting them from performing a list of jobs on their own families’ land.

Under the rules, children under 18 could no longer work “in the storing, marketing and transporting of farm product raw materials.”..



Sounds like the title was pretty accurate, if we assume the information contained within the post to be true.


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tailgater wrote:
if we assume the information contained within the post to be true.






it's on the internets.... Mellow
goodwrench Offline
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over reach at its best
Buckwheat Offline
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It should mandatory that all children do chores (i.e. cut grass, babysit, clean the house, cook, etc...) before they go off to get a "W-2 Job". Certainly taught me a couple of life lessons.
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I expect there will be exemption if the farming work involves corn production for ethanol.
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HockeyDad wrote:
I expect there will be exemption if the farming work involves corn production for ethanol.


Don’t forget about Nike production and the Wal-Mart Kathy Lee Gifford clothing line. Frying pan
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Think

This doesn't need to be passed by the Senate or Congress.

Almost like the killing of the Keystone Pipeline...just get an agency to do it. If that doesn't work...Executive order.

I love how stupid some people are. It should hurt.
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I'd like to see how this would play out within the Amish community.
HockeyDad Offline
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Deport the Amish. What are they gonna do......fight back?!
delarob Offline
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I started layin pipe when I was 15. Anxious
ZRX1200 Offline
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DMV~ yup.


Gimbel, look at what the administration is doing with the "war on women" and look at all the lawsuits by catholic employees suing for being fired when they break written agreements to uphold catholic tennantswhile employeed with them.
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See...it's stuff like this that is forcing me to vote for Mittens. I don't want to, but in order to take out the trash AND the teleprompter...I have to!

America can't afford 4 more years of this clown while he gains experience, goes on vacation, becomes a scratch golfer, shoots hoops, bows and bumbles around making America less attractive and poor!

A 3rd party vote isn't going to do it unless it is Ron Paul. That's the only one I'd jump for. The Independent bloc would too. If he were to run and pick someone like West as a running mate...game over Mittens and Kenyan King...game over. I suspect he won't make a 3rd party attempt because it would damage the family name and all but ruin his son's political ambitions.
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does this mean Malia and Sasha can't harvest the sludge garden..?? Huh
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DrafterX wrote:
does this mean Malia and Sasha can't harvest the sludge garden..?? Huh



We'll send it to them as a parting gift!
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Govt backs off new limits on child labor on farms

By SAM HANANEL - Associated Press
Apr 26, 8:43 PM EDT

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Under heavy pressure from farm groups, the Obama administration said Thursday it would drop an unpopular plan to prevent children from doing hazardous work on farms owned by anyone other than their parents.

The Labor Department said it is withdrawing proposed rules that would ban children younger than 16 from using most power-driven farm equipment, including tractors. The rules also would prevent those younger than 18 from working in feed lots, grain bins and stockyards.

While labor officials said their goal was to reduce the fatality rate for child farm workers, the proposal had become a popular political target for Republicans who called it an impractical, heavy-handed regulation that ignored the reality of small farms.

"It's good the Labor Department rethought the ridiculous regulations it was going to stick on farmers and their families," said Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa. "To even propose such regulations defies common sense, and shows a real lack of understanding as to how the family farm works."

The surprise move comes just two months after the Labor Department modified the rule in a bid to satisfy opponents. The agency made it clear it would exempt children who worked on farms owned or operated by their parents, even if the ownership was part of a complex partnership or corporate agreement.

That didn't appease farm groups that complained it would upset traditions in which many children work on farms owned by uncles, grandparents and other relatives to reduce costs and learn how a farm operates. The Labor Department said Thursday it was responding to thousands of comments that expressed concern about the impact of the changes on small family-owned farms.

"The Obama administration is firmly committed to promoting family farmers and respecting the rural way of life, especially the role that parents and other family members play in passing those traditions down through the generations," the agency said in a statement.

Instead, the agency said it would work with rural stakeholders, including the American Farm Bureau Federation, the National Farmers Union and 4-H to develop an educational program to reduce accidents to young workers.

Sen. Jon Tester, D-Mont., a grain farmer known to till his fields on weekends away from Washington, had come out strongly against the proposed rule. The Democrat continued to criticize the Obama administration rule even after it was tempered earlier this year, saying the Labor Department "clearly didn't get the whole message" from Montana's farmers and ranchers.

Tester, who is in a tough race for re-election, on Thursday praised the decision to withdraw the rule and said he would fight "any measure that threatens that heritage and our rural way of life."
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Associated Press writer Matt Gouras in Helena, Mont., contributed to this report.
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They betta recognize!

Who's gonna work the fields when the adults are in the camps?

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