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Higher enrichment at Iranian site: What comes next?
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rfenst Offline
#1 Posted: Fri, May 25 2012, 6:51 AM EST
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Published - May 25 2012 06:28AM EST


VIENNA (AP) — The U.N. atomic agency has found evidence at an underground bunker in Iran that could mean the country has moved closer to producing the uranium threshold needed to arm nuclear missiles, diplomats said Friday.

The International Atomic Energy Agency has found traces of uranium enriched up to 27 percent at Iran's Fordo enrichment plant, the diplomats told The Associated Press.

That is still substantially below the 90-percent level needed to make the fissile core of nuclear arms. But it is above Iran's highest-known enrichment grade, which is close to 20 percent, and which already can be turned into weapons-grade material much more quickly than the Islamic Republic's main stockpile, which can only be used for fuel at around 3.5 percent....

OK. The U.S. will likely increase sanctions or at least widen them and will ask more countries to promptly join the embargo. But, will that stop Iran from additional and further enrichment? Will U.S and world pressure be enough to stop Israel- if Israel's threat against Iran is real? IMO, it will not have any effect on what Iran is doing or will do. I don't feel confident that Israel will bend to any pressure if it truly means to attack as it has stated...
DrMaddVibe Offline
#2 Posted: Fri, May 25 2012, 7:32 AM EST
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Let Israel do it's own heavy lifting this time.

We can end sending money there too. Really. They'll do JUST fine without it!
HockeyDad Offline
#3 Posted: Fri, May 25 2012, 7:45 AM EST
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Hear the sound of the falling rain
Coming down like an Armageddon flame
The shame, the ones who died without a name

Hear the dogs howling out of key
To a hymn called "Faith and Misery"
And bleed, the company lost the war today

I beg to dream and differ from the hollow lies
This is the dawning of the rest of our lives
On Holiday

Hear the drum pounding out of time
Another protester has crossed the line
To find the money's on the other side

Can I get another Amen?
There's a flag wrapped around a score of men
A gag, a plastic bag on a monument

I beg to dream and differ from the hollow lies
This is the dawning of the rest of our lives
On holiday
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#4 Posted: Fri, May 25 2012, 7:53 AM EST
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(CNN) -- Iranian sailors helped scare off armed pirates who attacked an American cargo ship in the Gulf of Oman, Iranian state media reported Thursday.

It's the latest example of U.S.-Iranian cooperation on pirate-infested high seas despite a wave of tensions between Washington and Tehran over the decades.

The incident occurred northeast of Fujairah, a port for refueling oil tankers, the Fars News Agency said. The port, in the United Arab Emirates, is close to the Strait of Hormuz, an important oil shipping lane.

Iranian navy vessels received a distress signal from the U.S. cargo ship Maersk Texas during patrols.

The forces announced their willingness to help. As they closed in on the American cargo ship, the pirates scattered. The U.S. ship crew thanked the Iranian naval force and continued on its way, state media reported.

"We were aware of the incident yesterday," a State Department official said. "The situation was successfully deescalated by the ship's crew and the Iranian crew."
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#5 Posted: Fri, May 25 2012, 7:57 AM EST
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rfenst Offline
#6 Posted: Fri, May 25 2012, 8:04 AM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Let Israel do it's own heavy lifting this time.

We can end sending money there too. Really. They'll do JUST fine without it!


Who said anything about the U.S. doing the work, sending military aid or military assistance? I think Israel will do it's own thing.

The U.S. just needs to avoid the world-wide instability that comes with even a whiff of possible war in that region- and the fall-out from it's relationship with Israel.

During Desert Storm, when Saddam launched missiles at Israel and it was asked not to retaliate in kind by the U.S., it didn't. I just don't think that will work this time if Israel is serious. All-out war is scary as hell, but I really think it could happen. It is just a matter of how wide-scale it will be.
rfenst Offline
#7 Posted: Fri, May 25 2012, 8:07 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
(CNN) -- Iranian sailors helped scare off armed pirates who attacked an American cargo ship in the Gulf of Oman, Iranian state media reported Thursday.

It's the latest example of U.S.-Iranian cooperation on pirate-infested high seas despite a wave of tensions between Washington and Tehran over the decades.

The incident occurred northeast of Fujairah, a port for refueling oil tankers, the Fars News Agency said. The port, in the United Arab Emirates, is close to the Strait of Hormuz, an important oil shipping lane.

Iranian navy vessels received a distress signal from the U.S. cargo ship Maersk Texas during patrols.

The forces announced their willingness to help. As they closed in on the American cargo ship, the pirates scattered. The U.S. ship crew thanked the Iranian naval force and continued on its way, state media reported.

"We were aware of the incident yesterday," a State Department official said. "The situation was successfully deescalated by the ship's crew and the Iranian crew."



Well, I guess that proves Iran sure is a friend of the U.S. Or, so the "spin" begins...
HockeyDad Offline
#8 Posted: Fri, May 25 2012, 8:09 AM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Or, so the "spin" begins...




You have to be kidding......the drumbeat for the US war on Iran has been going on for a couple of years.
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#9 Posted: Fri, May 25 2012, 8:14 AM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Who said anything about the U.S. doing the work, sending military aid or military assistance? I think Israel will do it's own thing.




Israel does not have the means to conduct a conventional war against Iran to eliminate any potential nuclear program. The conventional war must be conducted by the United States at Israel's prodding.

Israel does have the means to nuke Iran into melted glass. Imagine how that would change the world.
rfenst Offline
#10 Posted: Fri, May 25 2012, 8:15 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
You have to be kidding......the drumbeat for the US war on Iran has been going on for a couple of years.


You are right.

But, I am talking of the "spin" away from war. After all, only a good friend like Iran would come to the aid of a U.S. ship at such grave risk, right?
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#11 Posted: Fri, May 25 2012, 8:16 AM EST
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rfenst wrote:
You are right.

But, I am talking of the "spin" away from war. After all, only a good friend like Iran would come to the aid of a U.S. ship at such grave risk, right?




Why the heck would we not want war? It is USA's best export industry!
rfenst Offline
#12 Posted: Fri, May 25 2012, 8:25 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Why the heck would we not want war? It is USA's best export industry!


I agree that Israel is grossly out numbered and under equipped for a ground war. I agree that it could turn the entire region into glass. And, I agree that a lengthily Middle East without U.S. troops and aid (as if that is possible anymore)would straighten our economy out within three to six moths. No doubt, World War II improved our economy!
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#13 Posted: Fri, May 25 2012, 8:32 AM EST
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What you would have to figure out is would you be under the Obama War Cone of Protection if the USA decides to start another war to replace Iraq and Afghanistan.

.....or.....it is time for Israel to get off the USA taxpayer teat and fight and pay for their own wars if they want them so badly.
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#14 Posted: Fri, May 25 2012, 9:04 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
What you would have to figure out is would you be under the Obama War Cone of Protection if the USA decides to start another war to replace Iraq and Afghanistan.

.....or.....it is time for Israel to get off the USA taxpayer teat and fight and pay for their own wars if they want them so badly.


I don't think Israel wants war- the first time it looses will be its end. I don't think Israel wants to attack Iran. I think it feels: 1) it doesn't have a choice; and 2) it will get some U.S. help. in the form of ships in the region at the time; guidance and pressure on other U.S. allies to grant airspace and to refrain from counter attacking Israel. I think the counter/retaliatoy attack with ground forces from from other Arab nations is the greater direct threat right now- well above and beyond Iran's current nuclear threat of retaliation. I think it is just about early summer and it is time to see if Israel is serious. If they are, brace yourself because Obama will lose more votes doing nothing than he will aiding Israel.
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#15 Posted: Fri, May 25 2012, 9:18 AM EST
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Israel wants war but wants the USA to be the one to fight it.

Will Israel go-it alone......my bet is no. They already know they don't have the conventional means and it would guarantee a new middle east arms race pointed squarely at them coupled with a significant weakening of clout with the USA and Europe.


Maybe my next gig will be reconstruction in Iran after the USA destabilizes it further through warfare!
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#16 Posted: Fri, May 25 2012, 9:42 AM EST
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rfenst wrote:
I agree that Israel is grossly out numbered and under equipped for a ground war. I agree that it could turn the entire region into glass. And, I agree that a lengthily Middle East without U.S. troops and aid (as if that is possible anymore)would straighten our economy out within three to six moths. No doubt, World War II improved our economy!



How's it going to turn anything into glass?

They haven't declared they have nuclear weapons...just hints and veiled threats. How'd that work out for Saddam?

So, our military industrial complex is a rented mule...ok...first you disagree with it now you're all in. Make up your mind.

If they want to quench their bloodlust...Let THEM do it. They don't need us if they're so bad. What are we now...their big brother? They can mouth off to the neighborhood bullies because we're sitting on the stoop waiting for someone to swing at them? Cut them loose.

You want to fix our economy? END THE FOREIGN AID! Especially to Israel. What are we getting in return for decades worth of trillions? Hand cream?
teedubbya Offline
#17 Posted: Fri, May 25 2012, 10:28 AM EST
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wait a minute. I thought Saddam did have WMDs
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#18 Posted: Fri, May 25 2012, 10:34 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
wait a minute. I thought Saddam did have WMDs



Where???


LOLOLOL...luv da new you!
teedubbya Offline
#19 Posted: Fri, May 25 2012, 10:36 AM EST
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Meh
teedubbya Offline
#20 Posted: Fri, May 25 2012, 10:38 AM EST
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Obama said saddam had wmds so we had to attack. Are you saying Obama lied to us again?

Give a Kenyan control of an army and they will do anything to use it.
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#21 Posted: Fri, May 25 2012, 10:58 AM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Where???
LOLOLOL...luv da new you!



LOL! Like what TW did with his hair? It's called the Charles.

I think that the Israelis are due to bomb Iran any day now.
teedubbya Offline
#22 Posted: Fri, May 25 2012, 11:04 AM EST
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McCain would have already sung that tune
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#23 Posted: Fri, May 25 2012, 12:41 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
McCain would have already sung that tune


You think? I think of him as a master thespian politician, a major bs'er a la Jon Lovitz's Tommy Flanagan. He also knew the reality of war.
Dubya, on the other hand, had the stones to bomb because he learned about war from John Wayne movies.
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#24 Posted: Fri, May 25 2012, 1:18 PM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:

I think that the Israelis are due to bomb Iran any day now.



They've been due to bomb for well over a year now.

...but when you look at the logistics of bombing multiple sites, flying across multiple countries, multiple refueling efforts, and the sustained air war that would be necessary to have a lasting effect, it is easy to see why they are waiting for the USA to do it.

Then you through in Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Palestinians, the Arab Spring, and Iranian retaliation......the whole war thing does not look nearly as fun.
teedubbya Offline
#25 Posted: Fri, May 25 2012, 1:43 PM EST
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well he did sing bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb iran
rfenst Offline
#26 Posted: Fri, May 25 2012, 1:52 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
They've been due to bomb for well over a year now.

...but when you look at the logistics of bombing multiple sites, flying across multiple countries, multiple refueling efforts, and the sustained air war that would be necessary to have a lasting effect, it is easy to see why they are waiting for the USA to do it.

Then you through in Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Palestinians, the Arab Spring, and Iranian retaliation......the whole war thing does not look nearly as fun.


That is prettyy much what I think, hence the title question: What next
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#27 Posted: Fri, May 25 2012, 2:03 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
well he did sing bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb iran




Is there a Gregorian Chant for that..?? Huh
teedubbya Offline
#28 Posted: Fri, May 25 2012, 2:05 PM EST
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yes
HockeyDad Offline
#29 Posted: Fri, May 25 2012, 2:05 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
That is prettyy much what I think, hence the title question: What next




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