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Indonesian man sentenced to 2 1/2 yrs in prison for being an atheist.
FuzzNJ Offline
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KUALA LUMPUR: Critics in Indonesia are lashing out at the Indonesian judicial system after it sentenced a man to two and a half years in jail for publicly acknowledging he was an atheist.

Alexander Aan, 32, was also given a fine of Rp 100 million ($11,000) after he told people on Facebook that he was atheist.

Activists in the country have condemned the ruling, saying it will harm freedom of speech and liberties in the country. But the West Sumatra court disagreed.

The verdict was lighter than the three-and-a-half years without a fine sought by prosecutors.

Aan is believed to be the first person in Indonesia to ever be imprisoned for being an atheist.

He said he accepted the court’s ruling.

“I accept the judgment and will abide by it. For me, faith is a personal matter and I have expressed my regret and apology to every party, including my family,” he said in comments published by the Jakarta Post.

In the verdict, presiding judge Eka Prasetya Budi Dharma said Alexander was proven guilty of blasphemy against Islam and insulting the Prophet Muhammad through his personal Facebook account “Alex Aan” and the “Ateis Minang” Facebook group, of which he was an administrator.

“We establish that the defendant committed the act intentionally because he objected when other parties protested his posts and he did not immediately remove a number of posts in the Ateis Minang group despite the fact that as an administrator he had the authority to do so,” said Eka.

According to the judges, Alexander’s actions violated Article 28 of Law No. 11/2008 on Information and Electronic Transactions because he had spread information that had caused hatred and enmity against individuals and groups based on tribal affiliations, religion, race and societal groups (SARA).

The judge also mentioned Alexander’s open declaration that he was an atheist, which could be read by many people. This was not acceptable behavior for a citizen and civil servant under the state ideology of Pancasila and the Constitution, which obliges every citizen to have a religion.

Despite their judicial victory, prosecutors have filed for an appeal. Prosecutor Syahril Jasman said he was not satisfied with the sentence, which he deemed too lenient.
rfenst Offline
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FuzzNJ wrote:
KUALA LUMPUR: Critics in Indonesia are lashing out at the Indonesian judicial system after it sentenced a man to two and a half years in jail for publicly acknowledging he was an atheist.

Alexander Aan, 32, was also given a fine of Rp 100 million ($11,000) after he told people on Facebook that he was atheist.

Activists in the country have condemned the ruling, saying it will harm freedom of speech and liberties in the country. But the West Sumatra court disagreed.

The verdict was lighter than the three-and-a-half years without a fine sought by prosecutors.

Aan is believed to be the first person in Indonesia to ever be imprisoned for being an atheist.

He said he accepted the court’s ruling.

“I accept the judgment and will abide by it. For me, faith is a personal matter and I have expressed my regret and apology to every party, including my family,” he said in comments published by the Jakarta Post.

In the verdict, presiding judge Eka Prasetya Budi Dharma said Alexander was proven guilty of blasphemy against Islam and insulting the Prophet Muhammad through his personal Facebook account “Alex Aan” and the “Ateis Minang” Facebook group, of which he was an administrator.

“We establish that the defendant committed the act intentionally because he objected when other parties protested his posts and he did not immediately remove a number of posts in the Ateis Minang group despite the fact that as an administrator he had the authority to do so,” said Eka.

According to the judges, Alexander’s actions violated Article 28 of Law No. 11/2008 on Information and Electronic Transactions because he had spread information that had caused hatred and enmity against individuals and groups based on tribal affiliations, religion, race and societal groups (SARA).

The judge also mentioned Alexander’s open declaration that he was an atheist, which could be read by many people. This was not acceptable behavior for a citizen and civil servant under the state ideology of Pancasila and the Constitution, which obliges every citizen to have a religion.

Despite their judicial victory, prosecutors have filed for an appeal. Prosecutor Syahril Jasman said he was not satisfied with the sentence, which he deemed too lenient.


Bottom line: he probably didn't have enough $$ to bribe the court.
ZRX1200 Offline
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Fuggin heathen.


Get a rope!















Indonesia isn't known for gentle rules.
jackconrad Offline
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The Religion of Peace strikes AGAIN !
Whistlebritches Offline
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Fuzz

Would it even bother you if he were imprisoned for proclaiming Jesus Christ was his LORD and Savior???????? Or is it just his proclomation as an athiest in a Muslim country that upsets you?????????

I don't know if you've been there or not......but a joint will get you death.Spitting on the sidewalk gets a year in prison.Malasian's live under some pretty intense rules.


Ron
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Whistlebritches wrote:
I don't know if you've been there or not......but a joint will get you death.Spitting on the sidewalk gets a year in prison.Malasian's live under some pretty intense rules.

Speaking of Malaysia...I worked with an ethnic Chinese electrical tech in Malaysia who had done 7 years in prison for possession of ONE loaded .357 round. No gun, just one loaded round. Since he had a technical background he lucked out and ended up in a work release program...in a cement plant, doing tasks that were too dirty/ dangerous for the ethnic Malay workers to do.

Another Malaysian legal system true story: our ethnic Malaysian instrumentation tech went missing one day. Turns out he and his family were out shopping the night before in an area that the Malay federal police suspected to be a drug distribution hot spot. The police surrounded the area, put all the men in jail, and sent the women and kids home. The men stayed in jail until they were able to convince the authorities that they were innocent. Luckily for him, he had two things going for him: he was an ethnic Malay, a 'bumiputera', and his family had enough financial resources to facilitate his release. The ethnic Chinese and Indian men who were caught up in the sweep received no such preferential treatment.
HockeyDad Offline
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A lot of people find Islam and convert when in prison.
Gene363 Offline
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Gee, perhaps people overreact about freedom of and from religion in the USA. horse


Or maybe not. fog
FuzzNJ Offline
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Whistlebritches wrote:
Fuzz

Would it even bother you if he were imprisoned for proclaiming Jesus Christ was his LORD and Savior???????? Or is it just his proclomation as an athiest in a Muslim country that upsets you?????????

I don't know if you've been there or not......but a joint will get you death.Spitting on the sidewalk gets a year in prison.Malasian's live under some pretty intense rules.


Ron


you are a freakin' idiot

Of course it wouldn't bother me. I've often argued for imprisonment of everyone who 'believes' in baby jesus. That would just have to be the only logical conclusion one could draw, right?

you are a freakin' idiot
Stinkdyr Offline
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I smoked an Indonesian cigar today in honor of this brave atheist.

Can't we all just get along?


fog
rfenst Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Indonesia isn't known for gentle rules.


And, according to my cousin who has lived in Jakarta for 15-20 years, the citizens aren't staunchly Muslim as a whole- even though it only takes just a few...

The way this will probably wind out is that the guy will apologize profusely and accept public shame. The judge will likely take the usual bribe and after a couple months, the guy could get out when the court reverse its ruling...

DrMaddVibe Offline
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The guy wasn't the Kenyan King?

Oh well...look reruns of something on tv! THAT'S more important than another Snickerdoodles post!
Whistlebritches Offline
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Fuzz


I haven't told you this in a while and I want you to know I mean it from the bottom of my heart.........


GO FISTFUCK YOURSELF


Ron
ZRX1200 Offline
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^ I nominate this for post of the year.
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Whistlebritches wrote:
Fuzz


I haven't told you this in a while and I want you to know I mean it from the bottom of my heart.........


GO FIST**** YOURSELF


Ron




is that with or without a kit..?? Huh
FuzzNJ Offline
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Trying to start a fight with me about christianity on a thread about islamic whackos using governmental power to imprison a non-believer is just stupid.

I'm sure I started it though just by posting the story. Ooooooh, it says 'atheist' in it. So controversial.
wheelrite Offline
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was the atheist named Rodney?
Buckwheat Offline
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I'm sorry for this guy but I'm glad that I live in USA. IMO, everyone should be able to freely practice or not practice their religious beliefs. I'm also a strong advocate for free speech.
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Trying to start a fight with me about christianity on a thread about islamic whackos using governmental power to imprison a non-believer is just stupid.

I'm sure I started it though just by posting the story. Ooooooh, it says 'atheist' in it. So controversial.




You sound browbeaten.Unsure
Where's the spunk???Eh? (slow ball pitch over the plate for anyone to hit out of the park...)
HockeyDad Offline
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On his forehead?
daveincincy Offline
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Trying to start a fight with me about christianity on a thread about islamic whackos using governmental power to imprison a non-believer is just stupid.

I'm sure I started it though just by posting the story. Ooooooh, it says 'atheist' in it. So controversial.


Well...what was the point of this thread? Since most of your posts seem to have one objective in mind (to stir the pot), what did you expect? Will you also be posting articles when Christians in other countries get arrested or thrown in prison? That probably happens with more regularity, but you probably won't find those articles on the sites you frequent.

And, for the record, that guy shouldn't have gone to prison IMO.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
On his forehead?



We got us a spitter...remember how them libs are!
DrMaddVibe Offline
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daveincincy wrote:
Well...what was the point of this thread? Since most of your posts seem to have one objective in mind (to stir the pot), what did you expect? Will you also be posting articles when Christians in other countries get arrested or thrown in prison? That probably happens with more regularity, but you probably won't find those articles on the sites you frequent.

And, for the record, that guy shouldn't have gone to prison IMO.



He needed to be CANED!horse
daveincincy Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
He needed to be CANED!horse


It may be a bit narrow-minded of me, but the guy being atheist was probably a better alternative to being muslim. Angel
DrMaddVibe Offline
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daveincincy wrote:
It may be a bit narrow-minded of me, but the guy being atheist was probably a better alternative to being muslim. Angel



Narrow?

I though that was a given!!!Frying pan


Believe in nothing or a religion that takes one back to the 7th centuryThink


Not even a choice!!!
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I've seen what these sweet people do to their own. East Timor.

What is the point of this thread?

Fuzz again wasting time.


DrMaddVibe Offline
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gringococolo wrote:
I've seen what these sweet people do to their own. East Timor.

What is the point of this thread?

Fuzz again wasting time.





We thought you wuz turned into a toad!
DrafterX Offline
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"Do.. not.. seek.. the treasure!" Mellow


ZRX1200 Offline
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Whats that Everett?
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Maybe we should get us some of that re-form, Pappy?
DrafterX Offline
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I don't want Fop, God dammit. I'm a Dapper Dan man.. Mad
DrMaddVibe Offline
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You watch your language, young fella. This is a public market. If you want Dapper Dan, I can order it for you, have it in about two weeks.
DrafterX Offline
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Well, ain't this place a geographical oddity. Two weeks from everywhere..!! d'oh!
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Son... you're gonna go far.
rfenst Offline
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gringococolo wrote:
I've seen what these sweet people do to their own. East Timor.

What is the point of this thread?

Fuzz again wasting time.




No one made you read it or post on it.

How are you and your family?
ZRX1200 Offline
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Fuzzy hasn't posted in awhile Robert......how do you know he's not holding a gun to gringos head?!
DrMaddVibe Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Fuzzy hasn't posted in awhile Robert......how do you know he's not holding a gun to gringos head?!



Because he'd have to sterilize the tongs if he did!!!


'sides...Gringo is a Marine.

Nuff said.
gringococolo Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Fuzzy hasn't posted in awhile Robert......how do you know he's not holding a gun to gringos head?!



First of all if Fuzz held a gun to my head it would be the last thing he ever did.


I spy once in a while, but entertainment value here has waned....



gringococolo Offline
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rfenst wrote:
No one made you read it or post on it.

How are you and your family?



We are all good Robert.

Daughter finished her first year of college early, home slumming. Was supposed to attend this summer (3 year program, blah blah blah), but is ahead of schedule and credits.


rfenst Offline
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gringococolo wrote:
We are all good Robert.

Daughter finished her first year of college early, home slumming. Was supposed to attend this summer (3 year program, blah blah blah), but is ahead of schedule and credits.




Nice to hear good news like this!
FuzzNJ Offline
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gringococolo wrote:
First of all if Fuzz held a gun to my head it would be the last thing he ever did.




acting all tough on the internet toward me, someone who didn't even say anything to you or suggest this scenario?

oooooh, you are the brave, strong one, huh?

wtf? you taking a how to be a ****** class or something?

robertknyc Offline
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Wow, this post has most of the "old gang" here. Thanks Fuzz for posting this since normally I focus on news from Malaysia but missed this story. Certainly posting this was strictly based on your interest in Malaysia and nothing else. I'm kinda in and out of the forum lately but it's great to see Gringo"platinum"cocolo back around.
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