teedubbya wrote:I'd like to learn a little more about the problem before proposing a solution. I'd really like to see the extent of fraud out there. No doubt there is, but generally I like a solidly defined problem prior to exploring possible solutions.
I've yet to see anything credible that clearly lays out the level of fraud and where it is. I here a lot of hyperboly and anecdotal stuff, but nothing solid. My guess is there is some fraud, I'd just like a better look at it before doing anything knee jerk.
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OK, here's two. One is VERY recent, and VERY verifible, the other is something I heard, and may or may not be true, i can't swear to it.
1) 2008- Minnesota- Al Frankin runs against Republican incumbent, loses by 700+ votes out of over a million cast ballots, demands multiple recounts. During recounts, a watchdog group investigating allegations of voting impropriety starts comparing voter registration rolls with state criminal records. After numerous recounts Al Frankin is declared the winner by 312 votes, is sworn into office as the 60th Democrat and locks out any republican chance of a fillibuster of Obamacare. the watchdog group finds 1100 possible casews of felons illegally voting in the 2008 elections. It is widely believed that they voted mostly Democrat (would YOU as a convicted felon vote for people who think you should STAY locked up? c'mon!) Out of 1100 POTENTIAL illegal votes,
TO DATE
there have been 170 convictions, and there are still a few hundred cases under investigation. NOTE: To obtain a CONVICTION under this law, the prosecution NOT ONLY has to prove the felon voted illegally, but has to prove he KNEW he wasn't supposed to vote! So there are many cases where there was an illegal vote cast (probably for Franken) but no conviction, because they couldn't prove the voter knew it was illegal for him/her to vote. 170 CONVICTIONS! That narrows that margin to 142, with 1000 possible fraudulent votes still in the balance. Now we fight trying to get Obamacare repealed.
2) In 1960 Nixon/Lodge lost to Kennedy/Johnson. It was widely believed at that time that LBJ's political machine in Texas, stuffed ballot boxes, while either the Dailey Political machine or the sam Giancana crime family (depending upon whose opinion you read) delivered Cook County and thus Illinois to Kennedy. THOSE TWO STATES would have changed the results of the 1960 Presidential elections. It WAS discovered long after Nixon conceded the election that a high number of voters in one precinct of Cook County (Chicago) all lived at the same address, which coincidentally is the largest cemetary in the city (OK, I used the term 'lived' rather loosely, but it's Chicago).
If some dumb assed Democrat can't vote because he or she doesn't have an ID card, how do they buy cold remedies when they get sick You can't buy anything with psudoephedrine in it without an ID. How can they buy beer and booze and cigars/cigarettes? How can they drive a car? How can they cash a welfare check, or use their EBT card without being able from time to time PROVE they are the owner of that card? the original post said the OP was delivered by a midwife and a discrepancy on the recorded birth dates keeps them from getting an ID, what? How do you buy your cigars dude? Don't drive? I'm sure that somewhere in the courthouse there's a clerk who will issue an ID if byou can provide two or three witnesses who DO have an ID to swear an affadavit that you are who you are. Then you can do all kinds of nifty things, even when it's not election day!