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Two important privacy bills - cell phones and drones
z6joker9 Offline
#1 Posted:
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http://www.privacysos.org/2012/august/pushing_back

I thought this would be relevant to many of you. Considering what information we freely share, I'm not a big privacy buff, but there should be limits. If you disagree with either of these, I would really enjoy hearing your thoughts.
sd72 Offline
#2 Posted:
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How come these links never link, or allow copy and paste?
HockeyDad Offline
#3 Posted:
Joined: 09-20-2000
Posts: 46,187
sd72 wrote:
How come these links never link, or allow copy and paste?


The government is blocking it.
z6joker9 Offline
#4 Posted:
Joined: 10-18-2011
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sd72 wrote:
How come these links never link, or allow copy and paste?


cbid doesn't allow hotlinks outside of cbid and they also prevent copy/paste. You can copy/paste from a PC, but from a mobile they prevent it (specifically, selecting text with CSS using -webkit-user-select: none;). A painful workaround is to browse in full-version mode and quote a thread. You can then copy/paste from within the quoted text on your response. A PITA I know.

An alternative would be to use a browser that does not render using webkit since other browsers ignore this markup. Since Apple requires all iOS browsers render in webkit to improve security, this is not easy on an iPhone. There are a couple, however, like Opera Mini, that pre-render on a server and then deliver it, circumventing Apple's restriction. This, in turn, allows copy/paste. It's a free download if you want to try it.
jojoc Offline
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6th Circuit OKs Warrantless Tracking of Cellphones
Tracking a user's cellphone location without a warrant using GPS technology is different than putting a GPS tracking device on a motorist's vehicle without a warrant, a federal appeals court says.

Hence, the Cincinnati-based 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals has upheld the drug conviction of a man found with his son near a Texas rest stop with over 1,000 pounds of marijuana in their motor home. Because he had no reasonable expectation of privacy concerning the location of the device, the court ruled, there was no Fourth Amendment violation.

"This is not a case in which the government secretly placed a tracking device in someone’s car," says the court in a Tuesday opinion (PDF).

"The drug runners in this case used pay-as-you-go (and thus presumably more difficult to trace) cell phones to communicate during the cross-country shipment of drugs. Unfortunately for the drug runners, the phones were trackable in a way they may not have suspected. The Constitution, however, does not protect their erroneous expectations regarding the undetectability of their modern tools."

Why are the two different types of electronic tracking distinguishable?

In denying a motion to suppress earlier in the case, a magistrate judge focused on the fact that the phone was not subscribed in the name of the defendant, Melvin Skinner, as well as its location on a public roadway as the motor home was driven toward the rest stop. The judge also noted that the phone was purchased as part of a criminal enterprise, and said a good-faith exception would have applied even if a Fourth Amendment violation had been found.

However, the appeals court seemed to be thinking along somewhat different lines, as it compared the cellphone being "pinged" in this case to a suspect being pursued by a bloodhound, based on his scent, or by police, based on his license plate number or a custom paint job on his vehicle.

Regardless of whether the individual knew he could be identified in this manner, the situations all have in common that the person being tracked was visible to the naked eye, or at least could have been pursued in essentially the same way both physically and electronically, according to the opinion.

"Skinner counters that ... the DEA agents in his case had never established visual surveillance of his movements, did not know his identity, and did not know the make or model of the vehicle he was driving (although they did know it was a motor home that was accompanied by a pickup truck)," the appeals court wrote.

However, even if the the "sensory faculties" of the agents alone would not have been sufficient to keep Skinner in the DEA's sights, the court continued, "the defendant’s movements could have been observed by any member of the public ... . As for not knowing his identity, this is irrelevant because the agents knew the identity of Skinner’s co-conspirators and could have simply monitored their whereabouts to discover Skinner’s identity. Using a more efficient means of discovering this information does not amount to a Fourth Amendment violation. In any event, we determine whether a defendant’s reasonable expectation of privacy has been violated by looking at what the defendant is disclosing to the public, and not what information is known to the police."
http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/6th_circuit_oks_warrantless_tracking_of_cellphones/?utm_source=maestro&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=weekly_email
Buckwheat Offline
#6 Posted:
Joined: 04-15-2004
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The drone and cell phone legislation reminds me of how John Malkovich’s character (i.e. Marvin Boggs) in the Movie “RED” thinks about government surveillance.

“Marvin Boggs: Ok. So they pull her voice from the payphone even now. Install the voice recognition software and backtrace it to Singer. Then we show up, they bring out the satellite and we're fried with Y rays.”

“Marvin Boggs: Do you know what's wrong with this country?
Sarah Ross: They all are trying to kill us?
Marvin Boggs: Exactly!”
Applause
HockeyDad Offline
#7 Posted:
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I was talking to DMV earlier and our cell phone signal got jammed three times by the drones circling Tampa for the RNC convention.
sd72 Offline
#8 Posted:
Joined: 03-09-2011
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So if it wasn't a burner, they would've needed a warrant to ping the phone?
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