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75% rich tax in France...
DrafterX Offline
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France plans to up tax on rich

Published September 12, 2012


French citizens, those whose income is over one million euros, or just over one and a quarter million dollars, will soon be taxed at a rate of 75 percent.

Many economists have said the rich tax will not do much to boost depressed state coffers because only 3,000 of France's 66 million citizens make over a million (euros), and that the move is just symbolic.

In fact, the tax hike was the campaign promise many believe won the election for President Francois Hollande who has said he doesn't like the rich.

The move seems to have garnered massive public support. At the Peugeot-Citroen plant just outside of Paris, workers said they favored the rich paying more. Union Leader Jean-Pierre Mercier told Fox News, “It’s not all, AT ALL, sufficient,” he said. “We should take more of their wealth.”

Even among residents around the posh Place Vendome area it is hard to find anyone against the tax.

"It's a good idea. If you have money, you can pay taxes," one woman said, echoing the sentiments of several others.

A comment on the new super tax from a member of the socialist policy was immediately available.

But Gilbert Cette, a professor of economy, said, “I think it’s a good thing. In France we have to do a lot of very strong and very huge fiscal efforts to be able to respect our commitments, our European commitments to a 3 percent of GDP deficit.”

Opposition lawmakers said the tax has sent a signal to the rich and the aspirational.

Former Budget Minister Valerie Pecresse told Fox News in a meeting at the Assemblee Nationale that the tax sends a bad signal to the youth of France.

"If you want to succeed, if you want to be an entrepreneur, and work very hard, then go away," Pecresse said.

She and others have said the move stigmatizes the rich, and that its almost more the attitude towards wealth that hurts than the extra tax itself.

At the height of the controversy surrounding the super tax on the rich, news broke out that Bernard Arnault, France's wealthiest man and founder of the luxury goods empire that includes Louis Vuitton, had applied for Belgian citizenship. Arnault has denied it's a tax dodge, nevertheless the move prompted some to accuse him of treachery.

Jerome Barre, who advises the wealthy on tax matters, called the new tax the end of democracy, and said half of his clients were thinking of fleeing France.

"It's an insult. They consider they are good taxpayers. They have companies, businesses and they are working hard. The context is difficult, but they are not the source of the crisis," Barre said.

The rich are already getting hit at over 50 percent when all the various levies in the system are folded in.

Hollande said the new rich tax should only be in place for a couple of years -- until France’s budget gets back on its feet.

While most French citizens' taxes are about to go up, those hit with the biggest increase want to know why the government doesn't spend less rather than tax its citizens more



Film at 11.... Mellow
DrafterX Offline
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DrafterX wrote:

While most French citizens' taxes are about to go up, those hit with the biggest increase want to know why the government doesn't spend less rather than tax its citizens more




Applause Applause
teedubbya Offline
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interesting interview with Joe Perry by Howard stern about this very topic in England several years ago. Turns out the tax kept Aerosmith from employing thousands of people.
DrafterX Offline
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Figures... the people don't matter... the politicians just need money to spend 5 nights a week in a 5 star hotel... Mellow
ZRX1200 Offline
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Eat the rich.


If Mr Arnault is treacherous than the whiners are treacherous for not producing more to add to the coffers.

A country full if ditch diggers has nice ditches and no roads.
teedubbya Offline
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the road to hell is paved with good intentions, and has beautiful ditches
ZRX1200 Offline
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And loose bitches ?
dstieger Offline
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Reads like a Stephen King story. That can't be real, can it? Pretty fn scary.
DrafterX Offline
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I read it on the internets.... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
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Kidding aside Joe Perry was saying at one point the taxes on their royalties etc in england was upwards from 90%
DrMaddVibe Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
Kidding aside Joe Perry was saying at one point the taxes on their royalties etc in england was upwards from 90%



So what...he's an American!

Ever wonder why the English rockstars moved offshore?

BAWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!


The "rich" will always be able to hide their money.

France needs to show the world they're really serious and throw another Bastille Day!
teedubbya Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
So what...he's an American!

Ever wonder why the English rockstars moved offshore?

BAWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!


The "rich" will always be able to hide their money.

France needs to show the world they're really serious and throw another Bastille Day!



good god it wasn't joe perry it was Brian May
HockeyDad Offline
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France is trying to reduce its budget deficit to 3% of GDP to adhere to Eurozone rules.

In the works is a 33 billion euro cut in government spending, a roughly equal amount of tax increases mainly targeting the wealthy, and a roughly equal amount of tax increases targeting businesses. All this will be happening while unemployment is at 10% and a 10 year high.

This is what governments have to do to head off austerity. AUSTERITY WOULD BE FAR WORSE!

Pay attention, USA. It is inevitable that this will be coming to the USA as well.


DrMaddVibe Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
good god it wasn't joe perry it was Brian May



Who cares.


Country AND Western...not my fault you can't cover a story...isn't the 1st time though is it?
teedubbya Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Who cares.


Country AND Western...not my fault you can't cover a story...isn't the 1st time though is it?



Not the first time I admitted I was wrong that's for sure. It was a good interview though.... loved hearing him talk about his guitar.... wasn't really listening to it critically though, it was howard stern for god's sake
Papachristou Offline
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Disconcerting

“We should take more of their wealth.”

bloody spaniard Offline
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Think

Sorry to interrupt this cavalcade of astute, ditch- digging observations on why the French are killing their golden geese with high taxation, but does everyone REALLY think that the rich are so stoopid that they don't know how to hide their francs without leaving La Fraaance? Oh, I dunno, mebbe they lose their business acumen when it comes to the taxman. Kinda like superman vs. his kryptonite-wielding Lex Luther? France will surely disintegrate into a New Algeria. Duuuuuuh...

When the next world-wide Great Depression strikes WE will be the new ditch diggers. The riche will still be riche.
...and Drafter will be Drafter.Beer
HockeyDad Offline
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^"Tax the Rich" always wind up becoming "Tax the Middle Class".
DrafterX Offline
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ya.... Poor Drafter.... Sad
teedubbya Offline
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cant the world just all agree to tax their citizens less and tax canada more?
teedubbya Offline
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and ship drafter to canada with the rest of his type
Stinkdyr Offline
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Typical French half-stepping.
Why stop at 75%? Tax them at 100%.
Let the rich eat cake, then eat the rich.

Herfing
bloody spaniard Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
^"Tax the Rich" always wind up becoming "Tax the Middle Class".



Yeah, so? I think that barring a new generation of world-wide Ronald Reagans, we're all headed towards a 2 tier system. Bureaucrats and the rich don't get it. ...as long as they continue to get theirs. It's only human nature. All you've got to do is look at the teacher strike in Chicago for a glimpse of the human condition. They have more than most with $36k higher income (almost 50% higher) than the median income in Illinois plus health/pension bennies that are unparalleled, job guarantees, etc. and they still want MORE. A 16% pay increase wasn't enough. They don't care that the average taxpayer is struggling & probably has a pension on life support if that...

Get it? It's not limited to just one predator class- in this case Government bureaucrats. The middle class is devouring itself as well.
horse
HockeyDad Offline
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Cash, Rules, Everything, Around, Me C.R.E.A.M. Get the money Dollar, dollar bill y'all
bloody spaniard Offline
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Btw, TW is the only bureaucrat I ABSOLUTELY trust. I'll gladly ditches for him provided he gives me Sundays off.
I'll see if I can talk to him about finding a little sumpin' sumpin' for you too, HD.ThumpUp
teedubbya Offline
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Btw, TW is the only bureaucrat I ABSOLUTELY trust. I'll gladly ditches for him provided he gives me Sundays off.
I'll see if I can talk to him about finding a little sumpin' sumpin' for you too, HD.ThumpUp



find your own ditch I gots this one undah controll boss
HockeyDad Offline
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TW is in the Obama Ditch of Protection!
teedubbya Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
TW is in the Obama Ditch of Protection!



Imma ho...... i be diggin the ditch of whomever is the boss man

on special days they let me put in the fence posts
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Regarding the OP, and with deference to La HockyDad;

“Vive La France”

Beer
Stinkdyr Offline
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Papachristou wrote:
Disconcerting

“We should take more of their wealth.”




Isn't that how the Germans dealt with their debt problems? Take the wealth from the Jews?

How did that work out for them?

Think
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Stinkdyr wrote:
Isn't that how the Germans dealt with their debt problems? Take the wealth from the Jews?

How did that work out for them?

Think



That solution worked well for them until they went to the 2-front war!
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