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Why did Reagan let all the nuts go..??
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DrafterX Offline
#1 Posted: Tue, Feb 5 2013, 2:59 PM EST
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Instead of searching the internets and getting wrong info I thought I'd just drop the question here... was the mental health thing broke or corrupt or what..?? I can see it being abused and stuff... Why is Obama afraid to go after the nuts..?? Huh





Think
Do they still call them nuts..?? what is the politically correct name for them..?? Huh
HockeyDad Offline
#2 Posted: Tue, Feb 5 2013, 3:01 PM EST
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I figure Ricka prolly asked him nicely on a good day.
Buckwheat Offline
#3 Posted: Tue, Feb 5 2013, 3:03 PM EST
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I believe it was a money issue. Make the family pay for any kind of mental health care.
DrafterX Offline
#4 Posted: Tue, Feb 5 2013, 3:05 PM EST
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some of these killer nuts weren't even born back then tho... it can't all be Ronnie's fault.... and we have better drugs now right..?? Mellow
DrMaddVibe Offline
#5 Posted: Tue, Feb 5 2013, 3:10 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
.... and we have better drugs now right..?? Mellow



That's why we're in Afghanistan!

Heroin Central!
jackconrad Offline
#6 Posted: Tue, Feb 5 2013, 4:08 PM EST
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Free Entertainment is hard to let go of...
DrMaddVibe Offline
#7 Posted: Tue, Feb 5 2013, 4:15 PM EST
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http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/asylums/special/excerpt.html
bloody spaniard Offline
#8 Posted: Tue, Feb 5 2013, 4:27 PM EST
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Excellent thread question, Drafter. I'm not sure.
Probably more of a civil rights issue due to abuses on record than costs though. All I know is that one minute they were in warm beds, enjoying electrotherapy, and probably over or wrongly medicated (for staff's convenience), the next minute they were shadowboxing in ever increasing numbers over steam grates bare chested in the middle of the winter.

I think that a happy medium could have been met- careful/minimal medication interlaced with nutritional protocols on an outpatient basis for the partly imbalanced to full-time shelter care w/meds for those too far gone with no hope (highly debateable IMO).
DrafterX Offline
#9 Posted: Tue, Feb 5 2013, 4:34 PM EST
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you'd think we could've shipped them all to Guatemala or somethin... I heard they grow good peppers down there.... Mellow
bloody spaniard Offline
#10 Posted: Tue, Feb 5 2013, 4:52 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
you'd think we could've shipped them all to Guatemala or somethin... I heard they grow good peppers down there.... Mellow

Think
Well, Castro DID ship 'em over here... Not Guatemala though. I think they have a better chance of succeeding in Haiti with public sector jobs- maybe politics.
DrafterX Offline
#11 Posted: Tue, Feb 5 2013, 5:10 PM EST
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an island ehh..?? Think

Brilliant..!! ThumpUp
bloody spaniard Offline
#12 Posted: Tue, Feb 5 2013, 5:33 PM EST
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Yeah, that too (don't forget about the sharks)! LOL!
teedubbya Offline
#13 Posted: Tue, Feb 5 2013, 5:35 PM EST
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Yall still talkin bout Puerto Rico?
bloody spaniard Offline
#14 Posted: Tue, Feb 5 2013, 6:04 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Yall still talkin bout Puerto Rico?



No, the OTHER tropical paradise- Haiti. Go ahead & try to badmouth Haiti. I double dares ya!ram27bat
Gene363 Offline
#15 Posted: Wed, Feb 6 2013, 9:07 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Instead of searching the internets and getting wrong info I thought I'd just drop the question here... was the mental health thing broke or corrupt or what..?? I can see it being abused and stuff... Why is Obama afraid to go after the nuts..?? Huh





Think
Do they still call them nuts..?? what is the politically correct name for them..?? Huh


It was a patients rights movement promoted by the ACLU. They are 'special' not crazy and you are intolerant if you don't let them raise hell. horse

Quote:
The heart of "Madness in the Streets" is an account of how anti-psychiatry lawyers (e.g., ACLU, Mental Health Law Project) and a small group of radical ex-patients have colluded to make it increasingly difficult to hospitalize or treat mentally ill individuals in need of care. The history of this movement, which is still very much alive, has not heretofore been written, and it is disturbing indeed. The lawyers, write Isaac and Armat, "are practicing medicine with the wrong graduate degree," creating a situation where "the right to be crazy" has become the law of the land.


http://articles.latimes.com/1990-09-09/books/bk-350_1_mentally-schizophrenia-or-manic-depressive-illness-deinstitutionalization/2
DrafterX Offline
#16 Posted: Wed, Feb 6 2013, 9:42 AM EST
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'The authors well describe the sad and tragic consequences of the current system, where mentally ill individuals simply aren't treated until they have become violent to themselves or others. The anguish of such patients' families is the strongest image left in one's mind. Blame for this state of affairs accrues equally to lawyers (for misunderstanding the nature of mental illness) and to psychiatrists (for abandoning the seriously mentally ill in favor of their more comfortable private counseling practices).'

reminds me of the kid that was shot by the cops not long ago.... very sad.....



Thanks Gene... Mellow
bloody spaniard Offline
#17 Posted: Wed, Feb 6 2013, 11:00 AM EST
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I thought so. Thanks, Gene.
teedubbya Offline
#18 Posted: Wed, Feb 6 2013, 11:32 AM EST
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I had to invoke the name of Reagan to make Bloody let my nuts go when I herfed with him. I was sore for weeks.
DrafterX Offline
#19 Posted: Wed, Feb 6 2013, 12:34 PM EST
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freaks... Mellow
bloody spaniard Offline
#20 Posted: Wed, Feb 6 2013, 12:52 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I had to invoke the name of Reagan to make Bloody let my nuts go when I herfed with him. I was sore for weeks.



Speaking of deformed cumquats, I missed you busting my balls while you were locked out of cbid by your boss. LOL!
DrMaddVibe Offline
#21 Posted: Wed, Feb 6 2013, 1:10 PM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Speaking of deformed cumquats, I missed you busting my balls while you were locked out of cbid by your boss. LOL!



I've heard ol' Mrs.TW is a real tyrant!
teedubbya Offline
#22 Posted: Wed, Feb 6 2013, 1:45 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
I've heard ol' Mrs.TW is a real tyrant!


This is more the truth. I ain't got no stinkin boss but me (and her) now days.
bloody spaniard Offline
#23 Posted: Wed, Feb 6 2013, 2:57 PM EST
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Your wife's a saint to put up with you.
I don't care if you turned her against me. She's still a saint.
teedubbya Offline
#24 Posted: Wed, Feb 6 2013, 3:24 PM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Your wife's a saint to put up with you.
I don't care if you turned her against me. She's still a saint.


She agreed with you and turned against me (and not in the good way)
DadZilla3 Offline
#25 Posted: Wed, Feb 6 2013, 3:42 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:

Think
Do they still call them nuts..?? what is the politically correct name for them..?? Huh

Dunno. Stability challenged?

Regarding why it is so difficult to get anyone committed nowadays...according to a state adult protective services person I chatted with a few years ago it is to a large degree a reaction to past abuses of the system, when it was comparatively easy to get someone committed to a mental institution. So instead of signing a few papers to secure institutional care and supervision for someone, now it has to be legally proven beyond any doubt that the person is in imminent danger of harming themselves or someone else. Unfortunately, this is pretty hard to prove proactively.

So when the numbers of people being committed for various reasons dropped, the funding for various institutions dropped correspondingly and a number of them closed down.

In short, being crazy is within your rights as an individual and not against the law, right up to the moment when you get hold of a weapon and kill a bunch of people. Then the media and political feeding frenzy starts...about the weapon, not the crazy person.
Brewha Offline
#26 Posted: Wed, Feb 6 2013, 3:51 PM EST
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DadZilla3 wrote:
Dunno. Stability challenged?

Regarding why it is so difficult to get anyone committed nowadays...supposedly it is an overreaction to past abuses of the system, when it was fairly easy to get someone committed to a mental institution. So instead of signing a few papers and securing care and supervision for someone, now it has to be legally proven beyond any doubt that the person is in imminent danger of harming themselves or someone else. Unfortunately, this is pretty hard to prove proactively.

So when the numbers of people being committed for various reasons dropped, the funding for various institutions dropped correspondingly and a number of them closed down.

In short, being crazy is within your rights as an individual and not against the law, right up to the moment when you get hold of a weapon and kill a bunch of people. Then the media and political feeding frenzy starts...about the weapon, not the crazy person.


It can't be that hard to be proven crazy and be locked away.

DMV, how did they do it to you?
DadZilla3 Offline
#27 Posted: Wed, Feb 6 2013, 3:53 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
It can't be that hard to be proven crazy and be locked away.


It is much more difficult than it used to be, unfortunately. And by unfortunately, I mean that a lot of people who genuinely need help are not admissible into the mental health care system. Or whatever is left of it.
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#28 Posted: Wed, Feb 6 2013, 3:55 PM EST
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Think
tough call really.... what would the world be without Dennis Hopper..?? Think
Brewha Offline
#29 Posted: Wed, Feb 6 2013, 4:08 PM EST
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DadZilla3 wrote:
It is much more difficult than it used to be, unfortunately. And by unfortunately, I mean that a lot of people who genuinely need help are not admissible into the mental health care system. Or whatever is left of it.



Actually, I know you’re right and it is sad – and inhuman.

But I’ll spare us all my rant on the need for more healthcare reform . . . .
Brewha Offline
#30 Posted: Wed, Feb 6 2013, 4:12 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Think
tough call really.... what would the world be without Dennis Hopper..?? Think

Or Pat Robertson . . . .
DrafterX Offline
#31 Posted: Wed, Feb 6 2013, 4:12 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Or Pat Robertson . . . .




true... true... Mellow
Brewha Offline
#32 Posted: Wed, Feb 6 2013, 4:28 PM EST
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Or beach workers in St Petersburg.
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#33 Posted: Wed, Feb 6 2013, 5:00 PM EST
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that Bitch..!! Mad
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