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#51 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
And you believe this without any reason to.

superiority does make us more valuable (to our own society).
We have no intrinsic value. As a being we are a slab of meat operating with electrical impulses. Our value is ONLY based on the value society attributes to us, which is something that can be taken away just as quickly (for example, death penalty. Society has determined that the individual no longer has a net positive value).

As for your "feel it" stuff... you do realize that our brains play tricks on us all the time. I doubt you would "feel" anything if you didn't know something happened there. In fact, I'm sure there are plenty of locations people live, eat, screw etc which were sites of slaughters, but were forgotten in history.


You can't logic your way out of this one.

If superiority makes us more valuable, then a high tech robot has more value than a human life. And third world humans would have almost no value.
Sure, we place ridiculous "value" on the rich and famous and the beautiful royalty of the world. But at the end of the day we're not killing our welfare recipients to provide new organs for the Obamas.

And for the record, my first visit to Oklahoma City was almost creepy. It was about a year after the event and I was talking with my sales rep who was driving, when I suddenly stopped him and asked if we were near the site of the bombing. Up to that point I wasn't thinking about the bombing, nor did I even register that we had entered the city proper. We were simply discussing business.
When he told me it was the next block away, it was a little scary,

Kinda like when Obi Wan felt Alderan being blown up by the death star.

Jokes aside, you don't need religion or even faith to know that human lives are valuable for a reason beyond intellectual superiority.

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#52 Posted:
Joined: 10-14-2011
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tailgater wrote:

If superiority makes us more valuable, then a high tech robot has more value than a human life. And third world humans would have almost no value.
Sure, we place ridiculous "value" on the rich and famous and the beautiful royalty of the world. But at the end of the day we're not killing our welfare recipients to provide new organs for the Obamas.




Intrinsically, it is.

Two idiots who can't figure out a condom can make a kid.

Making a high tech robot takes literally lifetimes worth of educated labor (which itself takes years to create) along with more expensive raw materials.

As for the rest of your post... I'm sure you get chills while watching Ghost Hunters and crap like that too.
I am not going to argue with you about what you feel. There's no winning, and you're not actually using anything other than "I have the feels".... I can tell you that it's just your mind playing tricks on you, but you're not going to believe me. And I'm not going to believe you about whatever the hell you think is left over from dead people, because I don't believe there is anything left laying on the ground after the body has been removed. You do realize how long human history is, right? There would be dead souls (or whatever you want to call it) littering every square inch of the planet by now.
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#53 Posted:
Joined: 10-18-2005
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I heard most hang in the oceans... Mellow
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#54 Posted:
Joined: 01-25-2010
Posts: 12,202
Everyone knows that when people die their souls are incorporated into shoes . . . .
tailgater Offline
#55 Posted:
Joined: 06-01-2000
Posts: 26,185
victor809 wrote:
Intrinsically, it is.

Two idiots who can't figure out a condom can make a kid.

Making a high tech robot takes literally lifetimes worth of educated labor (which itself takes years to create) along with more expensive raw materials.

As for the rest of your post... I'm sure you get chills while watching Ghost Hunters and crap like that too.
I am not going to argue with you about what you feel. There's no winning, and you're not actually using anything other than "I have the feels".... I can tell you that it's just your mind playing tricks on you, but you're not going to believe me. And I'm not going to believe you about whatever the hell you think is left over from dead people, because I don't believe there is anything left laying on the ground after the body has been removed. You do realize how long human history is, right? There would be dead souls (or whatever you want to call it) littering every square inch of the planet by now.



This has become quite a tangent.
For the record, I don't believe in ghosts.
I do believe that there is more to being human than just sending electric brain waves to a heart to pump the blood and feed the oxygen. I referred to this as a "soul", but that's for a lack of a better term.
You frequently showcase science as the means to justify your point, but more often than not you're simply hiding behind it. I can no more ridicule you for not understanding my viewpoint than I could for you not liking the same food as I do.
You've mentioned previously that you don't want kids. I'm beginning to understand why.
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