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Immigration Reform
Burner02 Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 12-21-2010
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Do we push immigration reform or secure the borders first?


I say secure the borders first, even if it means utilizing armed drones.



Gene363 Offline
#2 Posted:
Joined: 01-24-2003
Posts: 30,876
Gee we have NEVER secured the border so far, I'm guessing it will be more of the same.
ZRX1200 Offline
#3 Posted:
Joined: 07-08-2007
Posts: 60,673
Hope you Rubio fans are o.k. with national IS cards!

More of the same.
Burner02 Offline
#4 Posted:
Joined: 12-21-2010
Posts: 12,884
ZRX1200 wrote:
Hope you Rubio fans are o.k. with national IS cards!

More of the same.



Don't know if I'm sold on Rubio at this point in time.
ZRX1200 Offline
#5 Posted:
Joined: 07-08-2007
Posts: 60,673
ID card......damn thumbs.

Rubio is an establishment hack with a "minority" bonus.

You heard the targeted radio commercials for this POS reform bill?
8trackdisco Offline
#6 Posted:
Joined: 11-06-2004
Posts: 60,106
Burner02 wrote:
Do we push immigration reform or secure the borders first?


I say secure the borders first, even if it means utilizing armed drones.





Add the Korean DMZ and the Berlin Wall concepts together, then ........................ additional minefields.
deadeyedick Offline
#7 Posted:
Joined: 03-13-2003
Posts: 17,169
"I'll gladly secure the border tomorrow, for your vote today." Liar

DED
bloody spaniard Offline
#8 Posted:
Joined: 03-14-2003
Posts: 43,802
^LOL@ Wimpy Rubio


Ok, now guys, all this repetitive immigration "what if" talk is getting a little sad. Really.Boo hoo!
TMCTLT Offline
#9 Posted:
Joined: 11-22-2007
Posts: 19,733
deadeyedick wrote:
"I'll gladly secure the border tomorrow, for your vote today." Liar

DED





NAILED IT!!!! Only the tomorrow part NEVER comes.......horse
tailgater Offline
#10 Posted:
Joined: 06-01-2000
Posts: 26,185
Why do we call it "immigration reform"?
We don't want to "reform" the immigrants.
We simply want them ALL to come here by legal channels only.

Border security should be considered a separate issue.
Our borders were just as porous when the LEGAL immigrants found their way to our country.
So we shouldn't blame the poor security on the fact that these thieves come here.

I'm sure most of you know people who immigrated here legally. Ask them how easy it was, or how much it cost.
Truth is, it SUCKED for most of them.
But they did it because it was the law.

And what do we do? We discuss the passage of laws that will REWARD the thieves.

I'd laugh it I weren't crying already.
ZRX1200 Offline
#11 Posted:
Joined: 07-08-2007
Posts: 60,673
Senators on Tuesday rejected building the 700 miles of double-tier border fencing Congress authorized just seven years ago, with a majority of the Senate saying they didn’t want to delay granting illegal immigrants legal status while the fence was being built.

The 54-39 vote to reject the fence shows the core of the immigration deal is holding. The vote broke mostly along party lines, though five Republicans, including Sen. Marco Rubio and the rest of the bill’s authors, voted against the fence, and two Democrats voted for it.

SEE RELATED: CBO: Immigration bill only stops 25 percent of illegal immigration

Republicans had offered the fence as a way to build the confidence of voters skeptical that the government will enforce its laws, but opponents said building more fencing is costly, would take too long, and shouldn’t be dictated by Washington.

“I think we should leave that to the best judgment of the Border Patrol,” said Sen. John McCain, one of the eight senators who wrote the immigration bill.

Sen. John Thune, South Dakota Republican, proposed the border fence amendment, which would have prevented the administration from granting any illegal immigrants legal status under the bill until at least 350 miles of double-tier fencing has been erected, and would withhold full citizenship rights until 700 total miles have been built.

Minutes after the border fence, senators also voted to weaken current law that requires the government to have biometric checks such as fingerprints or eye-scans for every visitor to the U.S. — a recommendation of the 9/11 commission that looked into the terrorist attacks on Washington and New York.

Senators said it is too expensive to check fingerprints at all air, land and sea ports of entry. Instead, the bill calls for photographic checks at air and sea ports, but excludes land ports.

“When is our federal government going to keep its promises when it comes to the issue of border security?” said Mr. Thune, the sponsor of the fence proposal.

SEE RELATED: Speaker John Boehner: House GOP majority must back any immigration bill

Mr. Rubio said he supports building a border fence, and pointed to $1.5 billion included in his bill for more infrastructure, which he said will go to a fence plan. Mr. Rubio said Mr. Thune’s amendment didn’t lay out the details for “a specific border plan.”

“Therefore, I will oppose his amendment and instead continue to work with my Republican colleagues to arrive at a new measure that improves on the significant border security measures already in the bill,” the Florida Republican siad.

The border now has 651 miles of barriers, but only 36 miles are at least double-tier fencing. Another 316 miles are single-tier pedestrian fencing, and the rest — 299 miles — are vehicle barriers that still allow wildlife, and people, to cross.

The border fence vote was one of several key showdowns expected as the Senate works on its immigration bill, which grants most of the estimated 11 million illegal immigrants in the U.S. a path to citizenship.

The 2006 vote to build the fence came back to haunt some of its supporters, including Mr. Obama, who was in the Senate at the time. He was harshly criticized by immigrant-rights advocates back home in Illinois, who said they felt betrayed by the vote.

A year after that 2006 vote, however, Republican Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison wrote legislation giving the Homeland Security Department the option to build less fencing.

Homeland security officials say they are comfortable with the amount and mix of fencing they have now.
ZRX1200 Offline
#12 Posted:
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No matter your feelings on "the fence" the end around the "gang of eight" is throwing down should make you sick. Read that underlined section a second time.....
HockeyDad Offline
#13 Posted:
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Posts: 46,199
We need to hire undocumented workers to secure the border. I heard they'll do the jobs we don't want to do.
bloody spaniard Offline
#14 Posted:
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Posts: 43,802
HockeyDad wrote:
We need to hire undocumented workers to secure the border. I heard they'll do the jobs we don't want to do.



Funny but sounds like an opportunity for illegals to make some good easy cash charging friends and relatives to come over!ThumpUp
DrafterX Offline
#15 Posted:
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do coyotes have a union..?? Huh
bloody spaniard Offline
#16 Posted:
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Not sure, but I think you can write off a VW van that sits 23 people as a business expense on Mexican taxes .
HockeyDad Offline
#17 Posted:
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Not sure, but I think you can write off a VW van that sits 23 people as a business expense on Mexican taxes .



That would qualify for a Mexico City carpool lane!
8trackdisco Offline
#18 Posted:
Joined: 11-06-2004
Posts: 60,106
Burner02 wrote:
Do we push immigration reform or secure the borders first?



Ask the Indians, if they could go back 500 years, what they would do.

Any guesses?
rfenst Offline
#19 Posted:
Joined: 06-23-2007
Posts: 39,447
Burner02 wrote:
Don't know if I'm sold on Rubio at this point in time.



Take a look into his double dipping for airline flight(s); use of the Florida Republican Party's credit card for personal expenses; failure to report a $100k home equity loan from a supporter; among several other things.
Burner02 Offline
#20 Posted:
Joined: 12-21-2010
Posts: 12,884
8trackdisco wrote:
Ask the Indians, if they could go back 500 years, what they would do.

Any guesses?



Really?


Think you missed this part.......

"I say secure the borders first, even if it means utilizing armed drones"


wild2brew Offline
#21 Posted:
Joined: 02-12-2008
Posts: 56
8trackdisco wrote:
Ask the Indians, if they could go back 500 years, what they would do.

Any guesses?


Start more casinos sooner.
8trackdisco Offline
#22 Posted:
Joined: 11-06-2004
Posts: 60,106
Burner02 wrote:
Really?


Think you missed this part.......

"I say secure the borders first, even if it means utilizing armed drones"




It was a rhetorical question.

We're on the same page.
8trackdisco Offline
#23 Posted:
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Posts: 60,106
wild2brew wrote:
Start more casinos sooner.


They should have fought harder- so they could get the sports book action too.
bloody spaniard Offline
#24 Posted:
Joined: 03-14-2003
Posts: 43,802
Prolly raiding, raping, and pillaging each other's casinos. No indoor plumbing either. You'd have to go outside to Numi's cornfield for a shiite after playing the nickel slots.
ZRX1200 Offline
#25 Posted:
Joined: 07-08-2007
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Hmmmmm.......

http://redflagnews.com/headlines/alert-evidence-suggests-that-new-immigration-bill-was-designed-as-a-get-out-of-jail-card-for-obama
DrafterX Offline
#26 Posted:
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,588
I'm Outraged..!! Mad
teedubbya Offline
#27 Posted:
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Wouldn't it have been cheaper just to grab one from a monopoly set?
Burner02 Offline
#28 Posted:
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Posts: 12,884
8trackdisco wrote:
It was a rhetorical question.

We're on the same page.



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