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supreme court votes against scalia
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#1 Posted:
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in an insult to justice scalia who is afraid of homosxuals, and believes

thay do dirty, nasty things to each other in violaion of gods law,

only p is in vagina is the way god intended, eliminated the defensive of

mariage act and all pople have he right to full benifits of marriage to same

sex maried couples as is accordd marriaes between a man and a woman.

same sex maried couple will be allowed to stay in a hospital and give comfort

to their spouses. it also told the childen of these same sex maried couples

that their paents ae not vampies or demons unworthy having a family to raise


the disclaimer came last week when the same court ruled the right to vote does

not necesserially apply to blacks wanting to vote in states that have "blacks only"

signs in voting boths which lead to a trap door that dumps them in a pit of fire.


trees are made by men like me, but only god can make a tree
HockeyDad Offline
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black supreme trees with kids fall in fire pits.
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thay gonna do wot thay gotta do swinging from branch to branch!



HOPE AND CHANGE BIZNITCHES!!!
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hockydad 2


Strange Fruit : A Poem

Southern trees bear strange fruit,
Blood on the leaves and blood at the root,
Black bodies swinging in the southern breeze,
Strange fruit hanging from the poplar trees.

Pastoral scene of the gallant south,
The bulging eyes and the twisted mouth,
Scent of magnolias, sweet and fresh,
Then the sudden smell of burning flesh.

Here is the fruit for the crows to pluck,
For the rain to gather, for the wind to suck,
For the sun to rot, for the trees to drop,
Here is a strange and bitter crop.

billie holiday "strange fruit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4ZyuULy9zs




Strange Fruit Meaning

How deep is your love for this song? Go
deeper.

The scene was New York City, 1939. The
popular new integrated cabaret club, Café
Society, had a hot new performer on stage
three nights a week. Her name was Billie
Holiday.

The club's founder had heard a powerful new
protest song written by Lewis Allan, the pen
name of Jewish high school teacher and left-
wing activist named Abel Meeropol. The
song was "Strange Fruit," a haunting critique
of lynching and race terrorism in the
American South.

With some hesitation, perhaps because of
the gravity of the song's content, Billie
agreed to close her set with it. As she
prepared to sing this final number, service in
the club stopped completely and the room
went black except for a single spotlight
trained on the singer. When she was done,
Holiday walked off the stage without even
performing an encore, leaving the audience
with the strained, gaping and unresolved
line, "Here is a strange and bitter crop."

In her autobiography, Holiday later recalled
the audience's stunned reaction: "There
wasn't even a patter of applause when I
finished. Then a lone person began clapping
nervously. Then suddenly everyone was
clapping."

Though no one at the time knew it, when
Billie Holiday first sang "Strange Fruit" at
Café Society, she was singing America into
the beginning of the Civil Rights Era. As New
York Post columnist Samuel Grafton wrote,
her performance, full of subtle contempt and
rage, "reversed the usual relationship
between a black entertainer and her white
audience: 'I have been entertaining you,' she
seem[ed] to say, 'now you just listen to me.'
The polite conventions between race and
race are gone. It is as if [they] heard what
was spoken in the cabins, after the night
riders had clattered by." "Strange Fruit"
transformed the usual relationship between
black performer and white audience, forcing
them both to confront the grim realities of
racism in America in the pre-Civil Rights Era.

The key players of this story were all
drastically affected by racism in America.
Billie Holiday was only performing at Café
Society at all because she hadn't been able
to take the endless racist insults she'd
encountered while touring with the popular
Artie Shaw band. As poet Amina Barka put it,
Holiday's experience with the touring band
taught her that "she could play at the clubs
but she couldn't sit at the tables." Because
the venues were mostly upper-class, "high
society" white venues, Holiday wasn't
allowed into the front of the house. Author
David Margolick observed that she even had
to enter through the back door to get into the
Hotel Lincoln—a place named after, of all
people, Abraham Lincoln. It has been
suggested that the last straw, with the Artie
Shaw band, came when Holiday had to take a
freight elevator up to the stage because she
was not allowed to share the normal elevator
with the white patrons. Long before she ever
reached the stage at Café Society, Billie
Holiday understood American racism in her
bones.

Then there was Abel Meeropol. Perhaps
surprisingly (or perhaps not), the writer of
"Strange Fruit" was not a Southern black
man. He was, instead, a Jewish-American
schoolteacher from New York City. Meeropol
was a representative a long tradition in
America of left-wing Jewish political
activism; perhaps inspired by their own
experience of enduring centuries of anti-
Semitic violence and discrimination, Jews in
the early played a disproportionately large
role in early twentieth-century American
social reform movements—especially
fighting against racism. Meeropol was
inspired to write "Strange Fruit" after seeing
a shocking photograph of a lynching in a
magazine. (Most historians believe the
specific image Meeropol saw was this
graphic and disturbing photo of the 1930
double lynching of Thomas Shipp and Abram
Smith in Marion, Indiana.) The picture
haunted Meeropol for days, inspiring him to
compose "Strange Fruit" as a poem,
published in 1937 in both The New York
Teacher and in the Marxist journal The New
Masses under Meeropol's nom de plume
Lewis Allan. (Meeropol was a member of the
Communist Party, not uncommon for
antiracist activists in the 1930s. Decades
later, Meeropol would return to public
prominence after adopting the orphaned
children of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, the
married couple of American communists
executed after being tried and convicted of
espionage against the United States during
the 1950s.) "I wrote 'Strange Fruit,'"
Meeropol said, "because I hate lynching and
I hate injustice and I hate the people who
perpetuate it." Fighting racism was central to
Meeorpol's belief system; it was perfectly
appropriate that he wrote what might be
considered the antiracist movement's theme
song.

And Café Society was a perfectly appropriate
venue for the song's debut. The club, which
opened in December of 1938, made a name
for itself by offering a kind of antiracist satire
of "high society." Black customers were
given the best seats, the waiters greeted
patrons while dressed in rags, and signs and
slogans like "Café Society: the wrong place
for Right people" were posted on the walls.
Café Society was a progressive club for
progressive people, a place to enjoy good
music, good drinks, and good company
while striking a blow against racism.

And yet there was a certain racial irony in the
story of how "Strange Fruit" made it to the
stage. There was a long tradition in
American culture—a tradition not necessarily
"progressive" in its racial dynamics—of
white audiences enjoying forms of "black
music" that had been filtered, through the
work of a "middleman" (often a Jewish-
American songwriter or publisher), to sound
more appealing to mainstream white tastes.
The dominant musical genre of the
1930s—swing—had morphed out of African-
American jazz in exactly this fashion, and an
entire New York music-publishing industry
(known as Tin Pan Alley) grew out of the
practice. Some of the most famous
composers of the era—Irving Berlin, George
Gershwin—became known for their wildly
popular compositions that captured
elements of the "black sound" without
necessarily challenging white audiences or
the Jim Crow racial order of the day. And
other, less respectful forms of popular
entertainment—most infamously, blackface
minstrelsy—bowdlerized the African-
American musical tradition into crudely
racist stereotypes that mocked and
demeaned blacks for the entertainment of
whites.

In some ways, the story behind "Strange
Fruit" followed the same old plot (not
blackface minstrelsy, certainly, but the
broader tradition embodied by swing and Tin
Pan Alley). The audience at Café Society was
mostly white; the music was mostly black;
Meeropol was the Jewish "middleman"
bringing the two together.

But "Strange Fruit" began to turn the power
dynamics of that old relationship upside
down. Rather than softening black music for
white ears, Meeropol made it harder; there
was a militancy and anger in "Strange Fruit"
that would have been difficult for a black
songwriter in Jim Crow America to produce
without fear of violent retribution. Meeropol
was still a middleman, but he was a
middleman who helped Billie Holiday
challenge her audience rather than helping
her avoid threatening them. In the words of
composer Don Byron, "what this Jewish
American is being a middleman for is quite
militant. [...] It is the first step away from
entertainment and towards something harder
edged and true to the negative side of being
black in America." Indeed, in the decades
since "Strange Fruit," it has become
common for black music to incorporate
political statements, challenge social norms,
and express frustration with the state of race
relations.

"Strange Fruit" was an early cry for civil
rights—some might even say it was the
beginning of the Civil Rights Movement.
Record producer Ahmet Ertegun called the
song "a declaration of war," and jazz writer
Leonard Feather said it was "the first
significant protest in words and music, the
first unmuted cry against racism." That is
true in the popular American consciousness.
While other artists had sung about lynching,
it was typically done through a veil of
euphemism. While the NAACP had put on an
art show about lynching in 1936, and ten
plays had been written about lynching in the
quarter century before "Strange Fruit," none
of them proved to be popular enough to stir
the consciousness of the American public.
Billie Holiday's haunting song, though, broke
through.

This is not to say that "Strange Fruit" stood
alone. Though it was recorded in 1939,
sixteen years before Rosa Parks, it was also
recorded seventeen years after the first anti-
lynching bill was filibustered by Southern
senators. The song was an early cry for civil
rights, but one that ultimately rested on an
existing anger shared by progressives,
blacks, and artists about the state of race in
america.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SP5EfwBWgg0
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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DRMADVIBE

i didn't know louis sang.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCX3ZNDZAwY


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2hvkPyiAFE

like music
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=
GaqokusDbbs&feature=related

remember there are only seven musical notes.

they can be sharped orf flated.

every song you have ever heard or will ever hear.

there are only 7 notes
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Only Rick knows the "brown note"
DrMaddVibe Offline
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RICKAMAVEN wrote:
DRMADVIBE

i didn't know louis sang.



He sang quite a bit.

There was a band that we used to open up for a lot. They used to do a cover of St. James Infirmary. I used to sit in the wings and sing it the only way I knew it was sung...ala Sachmo Style...it would throw him off every damn time and we'd laugh later....then he'd hit me. The band? The White Stripes...the guy? Jack White. Now you know the rest of the story.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Only Rick knows the "brown note"



Eddie Van Halen invented the "brown sound"!!!!whip
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
He sang quite a bit.

There was a band that we used to open up for a lot. They used to do a cover of St. James Infirmary. I used to sit in the wings and sing it the only way I knew it was sung...ala Sachmo Style...it would throw him off every damn time and we'd laugh later....then he'd hit me. The band? The White Stripes...the guy? Jack White. Now you know the rest of the story.

real?
great story.

I have a ton of Armstrong, all well before Wonderful World etc,
DrMaddVibe Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
real?
great story.



Very real.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f0SNuQaj1U

Their version...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzcpUdBw7gs

Louis Armstrong's version


I chose to sing it just like him...'cause I can and I knew the song!

LOL!!!


It would throw him off...every damn time!
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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DMV

did you listen to any of my links
BuckyB93 Offline
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Never heard of them before so I googled and the first vid was Seven Nation Army. Definitely gonna look into the discography.

Thanks DMV, I like and respect your in music, movies, cigars and such.

I have an album or two I'd like to send you. A Ttio band out of the Twin Cities (MN) that would pass through Madison when I was there for college. You might like them. The Willie Wisley Trio. They broke up and Williy went off on his own.


(edit)
This just in... now it appears that he's trying to pull another trio together.
BuckyB93 Offline
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Sorry for the threadjack but this thread needed jacking
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HockeyDad wrote:
black supreme trees with kids fall in fire pits.


If Rick married a black woman, their child trees would be Black Walnuts.
jackconrad Offline
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Clearly we were created by someone or thing with a plan and a design


A man

a Woman


The parts fit together

and wella

we have reproduction


But those parts have other uses

That of ejecting waste

When you put them together

VERY Bad things

can be the result


If someone wants to do this it is their business

If they want me to subsidize and endorse it

It is now my and your business to

If we were

truly born free

Then this is not

and cannot be our problem

unless we want it to be

I do not want it to be my problem

And will not accept it to be my problem

Because that is my right







HockeyDad Offline
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jackconrad wrote:


If someone wants to do this it is their business

If they want me to subsidize and endorse it

It is now my and your business to

If we were

truly born free

Then this is not

and cannot be our problem

unless we want it to be

I do not want it to be my problem

And will not accept it to be my problem

Because that is my right



You aren't truly born free, it doesn't matter what you want, it is now your problem, you have no right not to accept it as your problem. Come out of the closet.
wheelrite Offline
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jackconrad wrote:
Clearly we were created by someone or thing with a plan and a design


A man

a Woman


The parts fit together

and wella

we have reproduction


But those parts have other uses

That of ejecting waste

When you put them together

VERY Bad things

can be the result


If someone wants to do this it is their business

If they want me to subsidize and endorse it

It is now my and your business to

If we were

truly born free

Then this is not

and cannot be our problem

unless we want it to be

I do not want it to be my problem

And will not accept it to be my problem

Because that is my right










I agree. It doesn't affect me ...

Live and let live,,,


wheel,
jackconrad Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
You aren't truly born free, it doesn't matter what you want, it is now your problem, you have no right not to accept it as your problem. Come out of the closet.






OH YEAH TAKE THIS !

http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play;_ylt=A2KLqIKI9MxRkjwA2PP7w8QF;_ylu=X3oDMTByYXI3cnIwBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDdmlkBHZ0aWQDBGdwb3MDNA--?p=BORN+FREE+PARODIES&vid=1e3ad284c307bf952719b9e6f142a27a&l=00%3A47&turl=http%3A%2F%2Fts1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DV.4749779643271748%26pid%3D15.1&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DJXSbpl4Nop0&tit=Born+Free&c=3&sigr=11aj1n9qc&pstcat=autos&age=0&fr=yfp-t-900&tt=b
DrMaddVibe Offline
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RICKAMAVEN wrote:
DMV

did you listen to any of my links



Yeah. I HATE that song. Out of all the talent John Lennon possessed that song is an utter lazy POS. I could do without ever hearing that song again in my lifetime.

Saw a BBC interview where Phil Spector claimed he helped write that song. He had the piano it was crafted on.

Meh.


THIS is more of the John Lennon I always favored...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmhRm_92L_8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8MId-DtvZE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDqWtfL4MxQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8GVafKcGCQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_b-Cr9a6eVo

He needed Paul McCartney as much as he needed him to craft a memorable song. George and Ringo didn't need anyone else when they wrote! Pretty funny that nowadays I can't listen to an entire album of Paul's or John's solo work. I can't say that about George or Ringo.
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BuckyB93 wrote:
Never heard of them before so I googled and the first vid was Seven Nation Army. Definitely gonna look into the discography.

Thanks DMV, I like and respect your in music, movies, cigars and such.

I have an album or two I'd like to send you. A Ttio band out of the Twin Cities (MN) that would pass through Madison when I was there for college. You might like them. The Willie Wisley Trio. They broke up and Williy went off on his own.


(edit)
This just in... now it appears that he's trying to pull another trio together.



You're not talking about THE Wesley Willis are you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkurUF1nuq0



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36lzxfEW6Mk&list=PLA17B53CCE69E022E



HUGE fan! Sadly he's dead. Got the chance to see him twice...even got headbutted by him!

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jackconrad wrote:
Clearly we were created by someone or thing with a plan and a design

don't be stupid, that is in no way clear. To claim it is "clear" and a basis for your argument essentially makes anything you say following it, incorrect.


Quote:

But those parts have other uses

That of ejecting waste

When you put them together

VERY Bad things

can be the result

What are you getting at here? I feel like I have to respond to this because you seem confused about basic physiology, as well as human behavior... are you arguing against butt-sex because sh#t comes out of there? because there is actually a lot more straight buttsex in the world than gay. And if a gay couple doesn't put it in a butt you're okay with them being a couple?

Couple that with the fact that waste comes out your d#ck too, which is generally involved in all straight and gay ('cept the lesbos) sex.... and the fact that outside of mammals, the organs actually provide both functions... I'm not sure where you're coming from on your arguments.

Seriously jack. figure out what argument you're trying to make before you go running your mouth.
jackconrad Offline
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I am sorry for you that you can't understand or accept even plain logic


But there will always be RUGBY...
victor809 Offline
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jackconrad wrote:
I am sorry for you that you can't understand or accept even plain logic


But there will always be RUGBY...


Jack, there wasn't a shred of logic in your post.
If there were, you could have addressed my comment rather than make some ridiculous comment, essentially copying possibly the stupidest, most troll-like individual on this forum. I'd expect more from a representative of the public.

Wait... no I wouldn't.
DrafterX Offline
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Mellow
jackconrad Offline
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victor809 wrote:
Jack, there wasn't a shred of logic in your post.
If there were, you could have addressed my comment rather than make some ridiculous comment, essentially copying possibly the stupidest, most troll-like individual on this forum. I'd expect more from a representative of the public.

Wait... no I wouldn't.




It's not Logical if it doesn't agree with your pre-concieved Vue... and i get that

But in reality

It is quite simple to understand

even if you don't agree with it..


victor809 Offline
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jackconrad wrote:
It's not Logical if it doesn't agree with your pre-concieved Vue... and i get that

But in reality

It is quite simple to understand

even if you don't agree with it..




Jack. saying "it's simple to understand" doesn't actually mean anything, you realize that right?

I could tell you the following:
"Clearly the earth rotates because of midgets running around in the core"
If you disagree with me, all I have to say is
"It's not Logical if it doesn't agree with your pre-concieved Vue... and i get that
But in reality
It is quite simple to understand
even if you don't agree with it.."

It's the same sort of bs answer.

You can have whatever beliefs you want (well, I'll still judge you for your beliefs, but you are free to have them), but you can't use whatever your belief system is as a pillar of a logical argument. A rational argument requires starting with a foundation of accepted facts, not beliefs.
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I don't need to read this exchange.


Jack is right. Victor is wrong.

But Victor looks better in designer jeans.
victor809 Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I don't need to read this exchange.


Jack is right. Victor is wrong.

But Victor looks better in designer jeans.


Well... you're half right.
ZRX1200 Offline
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I thought I was wrong once.

But I was mistaken.
jackconrad Offline
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I am just covneying what it seems to me

Not saying it's the same to Victim 808

I respect every bodies opinion

After all we all had to beat out millions of sperms

To get here..
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victor809 wrote:
Jack, there wasn't a shred of logic in your post.
If there were, you could have addressed my comment rather than make some ridiculous comment, essentially copying possibly the stupidest, most troll-like individual on this forum. I'd expect more from a representative of the public.
Wait... no I wouldn't.




Lawd, I couldn't breathe I was laughing so hard.
Victor's incicive attacks probably go unnoticed by the clueless victim(s).
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victor809 wrote:

I could tell you the following:
"Clearly the earth rotates because of midgets running around in the core"



Think
not very likely but I guess it could work..... Mellow
jackconrad Offline
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"Never screw with a Victor"- Eyegore


"To the Victors go the spoiled."
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