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DrafterX Offline
#1 Posted: Mon, Jul 1 2013, 12:49 PM EST
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Government surveillance isn't just in our phone records and search engine history, but on our roads as well.

That's what the Center For Investigative Reporting found when researching the small cameras popping up on police cars across the country known as license plate scanners. License plate scanners allow police officers to quickly scan thousands of license plates a day, looking for runaway criminals or stolen cars. In California there are very few limits on these readers and almost no transparency. These cameras record time and place of your vehicle, and even can store a picture record of your whereabouts.

Michael Katz-Lacabe, a security consultant, requested the records from the San Leandro, Calif., police department of every time his car was scanned. He was amazed at the frightening amount of information police had recorded. His two cars were scanned 112 times since 2009, and average of about twice a week. There was even a picture of him and his two daughters getting out of his Toyota Prius in their driveway.

The Center For Investigative Reporting points out that the use of license plate scanners has been growing quickly and quietly across the country.

Film at 11..... Brick wall
HockeyDad Offline
#2 Posted: Mon, Jul 1 2013, 12:53 PM EST
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The USA is a Surveillance State. Just not quite totalitarian yet.
dstieger Offline
#3 Posted: Mon, Jul 1 2013, 1:14 PM EST
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Old news.....ostensibly to find stolen cars....what a load of crap.....start digging and you find that data is collected, kept far longer than necessary, shared with your insurance company and highly likely that it will always be properly secured from the public. Big Brother is so far out in front of this one that you may as well surrender.
DrafterX Offline
#4 Posted: Mon, Jul 1 2013, 1:18 PM EST
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can you still buy that clear coat paint stuff that's suppose to hide your plate..?? Huh
chswrst726 Offline
#5 Posted: Mon, Jul 1 2013, 1:23 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
can you still buy that clear coat paint stuff that's suppose to hide your plate..?? Huh



I just use cardboard. It's foolproof.
DrafterX Offline
#6 Posted: Mon, Jul 1 2013, 1:25 PM EST
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Think
dubleuhb Offline
#7 Posted: Mon, Jul 1 2013, 1:39 PM EST
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Just turnaround when you see them.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#8 Posted: Mon, Jul 1 2013, 1:48 PM EST
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I'm learning how to drive real fast in reverse.
DrafterX Offline
#9 Posted: Mon, Jul 1 2013, 1:56 PM EST
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fortunately we don't here but some states require a tag on da front bumper too..... Mellow
DrMaddVibe Offline
#10 Posted: Mon, Jul 1 2013, 2:04 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
fortunately we don't here but some states require a tag on da front bumper too..... Mellow



I'm learning how to drive sideways too.
bloody spaniard Offline
#11 Posted: Mon, Jul 1 2013, 2:27 PM EST
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When the New World disorder begins, the first people to be hanged should be the ones selling stop light camera technology, then these plate scanning folks, followed by people who tweet & especially the guy who invented that word...
daveincincy Offline
#12 Posted: Mon, Jul 1 2013, 2:28 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
can you still buy that clear coat paint stuff that's suppose to hide your plate..?? Huh


Yes, but it's not paint, it's a plastic cover you put over your plate. I know someone that one on all of his cars. Distorts the plate from all angles. Pretty cool...I think I'll find out where he gets them. (but google is probably a good place to start)

DrafterX wrote:
fortunately we don't here but some states require a tag on da front bumper too..... Mellow


Ohio requires a front plate...I just choose not to put it on. Whistle
bloody spaniard Offline
#13 Posted: Mon, Jul 1 2013, 2:31 PM EST
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^ a real rebelAnxious

Maryland comes down hard on folks who distort plates from the camera.
daveincincy Offline
#14 Posted: Mon, Jul 1 2013, 2:33 PM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
^ a real rebelAnxious

Maryland comes down hard on folks who distort plates from the camera.


It cuts down on their revenue. d'oh!

My wife got pulled over once for something unrelated to the front plate (probably speeding). The officer told her to put it on...so I put hers on.
DrafterX Offline
#15 Posted: Mon, Jul 1 2013, 2:34 PM EST
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ya.. I think here they tried to claim the license plate is really state property so distorting it was like a felony or something... I pretty sure I bought my plate and didn't sign a lease on it...... Mellow

I've seen the platic covers but the paint stuff is suppose to not put off a glossy shine so it can't be noticed as well.... Think
bloody spaniard Offline
#16 Posted: Mon, Jul 1 2013, 2:40 PM EST
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It's just a matter of time before they fine us for not wearing driving helmets. Talk about a potential money maker. The other big money maker in Maryland is the school zone which almost always has cameras. Drivers have a knee-jerk Pavlovian reaction & automatically slow down to 35 IMMEDIATELY. lol


My wife was fined ($75?) when her car was photographed overlapping the pedestrian line by about two feet at a light.
daveincincy Offline
#17 Posted: Mon, Jul 1 2013, 2:47 PM EST
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Back in high school guys would use rubbing compound and remove the color/paint from the letters/numbers on the plate. You could always try that. If an officer brings it up just tell them you go through the car wash a lot, and the state should make a better plate. Liar
DrafterX Offline
#18 Posted: Mon, Jul 1 2013, 2:55 PM EST
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speaking of scanners and stuff.... have you seen the ones built into the guard rails..?? Huh



http://www.snopes.com/photos/automobiles/speedtrap.asp

I used the snopes link to save some of you the trouble.... Not talking
dubleuhb Offline
#19 Posted: Mon, Jul 1 2013, 3:02 PM EST
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We have front plates here. If you put the plastic cover over it and go through certain towns you will get popped.
DadZilla3 Offline
#20 Posted: Mon, Jul 1 2013, 4:05 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
The USA is a Surveillance State. Just not quite totalitarian yet.

I guess I'd better stop smiling and waving at the overhead cameras when I'm at a red light then?
Gene363 Offline
#21 Posted: Mon, Jul 1 2013, 4:22 PM EST
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DadZilla3 wrote:
I guess I'd better stop smiling and waving at the overhead cameras when I'm at a red light then?


Yeah, most folks use all their fingers to wave. jester
daveincincy Offline
#22 Posted: Mon, Jul 1 2013, 4:25 PM EST
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[slightly off-topic]

For years I was under the impression, and have been told, that if you get a speeding ticket out of state or under a certain amount above the posted limit (i.e. you weren't driving at an excessive speed, within 10 mph, etc) that your insurance company would not find out about it, but apparently that's not the case anymore...as my dad found out. Recently his insurance rates went up due to a speeding ticket. When he called his agent, they told him that ticket information is passed on to insurance companies regardless of where or how fast. The speeding tickets I've gotten in my lifetime have never been reported to my insurance company, but it's been over 2 decades since I've gotten a ticket (knock on wood)...and one of them was almost 30 over. Anxious
8trackdisco Offline
#23 Posted: Mon, Jul 1 2013, 8:24 PM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:



My wife was fined ($75?) when her car was photographed overlapping the pedestrian line by about two feet at a light.


War criminal! Eve Braun!
rfenst Offline
#24 Posted: Tue, Jul 2 2013, 1:01 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:


ya.. I think here they tried to claim the license plate is really state property so distorting it was like a felony or something... I pretty sure I bought my plate and didn't sign a lease on it...... Mellow



You didn't sign a lease or anything else when you bought or made your mail box. Nevertheless, you don't own it- the government does.
rfenst Offline
#25 Posted: Tue, Jul 2 2013, 1:44 AM EST
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"Sorry Charlie", but the SCOTUS "conservative" block and swing voters over the last several decades have predominantly overly expanded the doctrines of: "Plain View" and "Open View". This has eroded our Fourth Amendment rights.

Issues like this ##could## interestingly put the likes of Ginsberg/Soto-Meyer and Scalia/Roberts on the same side of a decision, possibly for different and/or the very same reasons.Some of the greatest chains of cases and great SCOTUS Opinion reading here for those who care about how the SCOTUS works and reasons.

It has been 20-25 years since I took a course called "Search and Seizure", truly loved it and still find the social history and corresponding Opinions very interesting )except when the a-hole professor would yell at me every time he picked me to answer questions or recite cases.




{But, of course, I got even a couple semesters later and heard him almost stroke-out! Can you tell that I am still a bit traumatized by thoughts of him to this very day ?)
HockeyDad Offline
#26 Posted: Tue, Jul 2 2013, 6:19 AM EST
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rfenst wrote:
You didn't sign a lease or anything else when you bought or made your mail box. Nevertheless, you don't own it- the government does.



Crap! Obama seized our mailboxes!
Gene363 Offline
#27 Posted: Tue, Jul 2 2013, 6:31 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Crap! Obama seized our mailboxes!


They will be used to house undocumented voters.
DrafterX Offline
#28 Posted: Tue, Jul 2 2013, 7:58 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Crap! Obama seized our mailboxes!



That Bassard..!! Mad
paulkeck Offline
#29 Posted: Tue, Jul 2 2013, 8:56 AM EST
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daveincincy wrote:
Yes, but it's not paint, it's a plastic cover you put over your plate. I know someone that one on all of his cars. Distorts the plate from all angles. Pretty cool...I think I'll find out where he gets them. (but google is probably a good place to start)



Ohio requires a front plate...I just choose not to put it on. Whistle


its illegal to have on in Texas
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