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New $444 million hockey arena is still a go in Detroit
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DadZilla3 Offline
#1 Posted: Sun, Jul 28 2013, 5:38 AM EST
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Detroit's financial crisis hasn't derailed the city's plans to spend more than $400 million in Michigan taxpayer funds on a new hockey arena for the Red Wings.

Advocates of the arena say it's the kind of economic development needed to attract both people and private investment dollars into downtown Detroit. It's an argument that has convinced Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder and Kevyn Orr, the emergency manager he appointed to oversee the city's finances, to stick with the plan. Orr said Detroit's bankruptcy filing won't halt the arena plans.

"I know there's a lot of emotional concern about should we be spending the money," said Orr. "But frankly that's part of the economic development. We need jobs. If it is as productive as it's supposed to be, that's going to be a boon to the city."

But critics say the project won't have enough economic impact to justify the cost, and that it's the wrong spending priority for a city facing dire economic conditions.

http://money.cnn.com/2013/07/26/news/economy/detroit-bankruptcy-arena/index.html
jackconrad Offline
#2 Posted: Sun, Jul 28 2013, 6:52 AM EST
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Is it a Power Play?
Abrignac Offline
#3 Posted: Sun, Jul 28 2013, 9:08 AM EST
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Imagine that. City's going bankrupt, but they can pizz away half a billion dollars on an arena. Isn't this the same city who's council has time to pass a George Zimmerman resolution which last time I checked has nothing to do with them?

No surprise. Down here our Govennor has slashed funding to colleges and universities yet they continue to contribute to the Tom Benson welfare fund even though the price of SAINTS tickets my FIL finally gave up this past season have risen from $22 each in 1986 to $302 each in 2012.

I really don't understand the reasoning. Taxpayers fund the stadiums, but are unable to watch the games played in that very stadium their tax dollars built if the owners can't sell all of their massively overpriced to tickets.
teedubbya Offline
#4 Posted: Sun, Jul 28 2013, 9:16 AM EST
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We are stupid at times.
bloody spaniard Offline
#5 Posted: Sun, Jul 28 2013, 9:55 AM EST
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Those wacky negroes.
They need a Marion Barry to fix what Detroit's first African- American- World- Populist- Hustler Extraordinaire mayor Coleman Young done did.

No stadium until they finish their mac n' cheese.
Burner02 Offline
#6 Posted: Sun, Jul 28 2013, 9:59 AM EST
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Sounds like the Motor City has their priorities in the right place!

Just saying.
DadZilla3 Offline
#7 Posted: Sun, Jul 28 2013, 12:22 PM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Those wacky negroes.
They need a Marion Barry to fix what Detroits' first African- American- World- Populist- Hustler Extraordinaire mayor Coleman Young done did.

No stadium until they finish their mac n' cheese.

I say bring in Robert Mugabe and his land reforms in to fix Detroit's socioeconomic issues. He did such a good job in Zimbabwe, setting Detroit on the right (left?) path would be no problem.

Of course, in Detroit under a Mugabe administration pretty soon a loaf of bread would cost about $100,000 assuming there was any bread in the stores, but that's the price we should be happy to pay for social justice and the fair and equitable redistribution of wealth.
ZRX1200 Offline
#8 Posted: Sun, Jul 28 2013, 1:22 PM EST
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Tell me they're using union labor....
bloody spaniard Offline
#9 Posted: Sun, Jul 28 2013, 2:05 PM EST
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Dad, that is human condition. Oppose the devil who is responsible for your dirt floor + 2 crappy squares a day, then replace with a devil who looks like you & feeds you the dirt floor 3x day under squalid conditions while they live in luxury... Look at most of the Third World after the racist colonial powers left.

Extrapolate that to just about every major city that I can think of, most of which are run by idiots with the right coloring who promise their constituency everything and then blame the Government and society for their failures. At some point one has to close their legs, get some sort of education or learn a skill/trade, and try a different approach other than Federal panhandling. Alas, that's what our Government appears to want. and promotes.
wheelrite Offline
#10 Posted: Sun, Jul 28 2013, 4:44 PM EST
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Blacks don't go to Hockey games...
TMCTLT Offline
#11 Posted: Mon, Jul 29 2013, 7:11 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
Blacks don't go to Hockey games...



Not too many, but a few actually play the game



Who are the current black hockey players in the nhl?
Donald Brashear Dustin Byfuglien Nigel Dawes Robbie Earl Mike Grier Jarome Iginla Evander Kane Georges Laraque Jamal Mayers Greg Mauldin Kenndal McArdle Kyle Okposo Wayne Simmonds
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_are_the_current_blac...
sd72 Offline
#12 Posted: Mon, Jul 29 2013, 7:55 PM EST
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With industry all but gone from my beloved Detroit, casinos, bar/restaurant, festival/sporting events that draw suburbanites to the city to spend their monies is the new source for cash.

The people who buy the seats want a new stadium.
wheelrite Offline
#13 Posted: Mon, Jul 29 2013, 8:22 PM EST
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sd72 wrote:
With industry all but gone from my beloved Detroit, casinos, bar/restaurant, festival/sporting events that draw suburbanites to the city to spend their monies is the new source for cash.

The people who buy the seats want a new stadium.


Beloved, why ?
it's a chithole and has been for 30+ yrs,,,

We suffered through the first mass exodus of unskilled Michigan refugees in the early 80s here in the great state of Texas,,


There was a popular bumper sticker at the time that said " We don't care how you did it up north "

wheel,
sd72 Offline
#14 Posted: Mon, Jul 29 2013, 8:53 PM EST
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Yes, you wouldn't want the finest industrial, and automotive engineers, and workforce ever assembled in this country, to come there and tell y'all how things are done.
Except for ship building, from WW1 to the gas crisis of the late 70's Detroit was the greatest manufacturing center ever assembled in one place.

And now its a chit hole with with some killer things for us suburbanites to go do.

Beloved.
ZRX1200 Offline
#15 Posted: Mon, Jul 29 2013, 8:56 PM EST
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Unions ruined that workforce.
sd72 Offline
#16 Posted: Mon, Jul 29 2013, 9:02 PM EST
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Nitpicker
dubleuhb Offline
#17 Posted: Mon, Jul 29 2013, 9:02 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Unions ruined that workforce.

Oh no you diint
8trackdisco Offline
#18 Posted: Mon, Jul 29 2013, 9:07 PM EST
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New $444 million hockey arena is still a go in Detroit



Cities should be able to spend their surplus money any way they want!
TMCTLT Offline
#19 Posted: Mon, Jul 29 2013, 9:57 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
Beloved, why ?
it's a chithole and has been for 30+ yrs,,,

We suffered through the first mass exodus of unskilled Michigan refugees in the early 80s here in the great state of Texas,,


There was a popular bumper sticker at the time that said " We don't care how you did it up north "

wheel,



yeah your state is full of hard working rocket scientists making their living from fencing in a natural resource ( deer etc.) so big money idiots can go hunt from a platform on the back of a truck for a deer someone on the ranch has been watching for months if not years...LMFAO ( what skill is required for this type of living???? )
rfenst Offline
#20 Posted: Mon, Jul 29 2013, 10:45 PM EST
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sd72 wrote:
With industry all but gone from my beloved Detroit, casinos, bar/restaurant, festival/sporting events that draw suburbanites to the city to spend their monies is the new source for cash.

The people who buy the seats want a new stadium.


And, that leads to the sole factor to consider whether to build the new space- rate of return. Either the city rationally expects it will profit from it or that it won't. Everything else here is subterfuge and a load of crap. Complain when it acknowledges its broke and can't fix its problem other than by filing BK AND complain when it considers a fiscally rational decision. Which one is it? You cannot have it both ways on this one...
rfenst Offline
#21 Posted: Mon, Jul 29 2013, 10:48 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
Beloved, why ?
it's a chithole and has been for 30+ yrs,,,

We suffered through the first mass exodus of unskilled Michigan refugees in the early 80s here in the great state of Texas,,


There was a popular bumper sticker at the time that said " We don't care how you did it up north "

wheel,


What else would you prefer? More illegals? Take your pick.
wheelrite Offline
#22 Posted: Tue, Jul 30 2013, 6:39 AM EST
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rfenst wrote:
What else would you prefer? More illegals? Take your pick.


Actually I prefer illegals to wayward Union workers. They work harder .


wheel,
wheelrite Offline
#23 Posted: Tue, Jul 30 2013, 6:41 AM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
yeah your state is full of hard working rocket scientists making their living from fencing in a natural resource ( deer etc.) so big money idiots can go hunt from a platform on the back of a truck for a deer someone on the ranch has been watching for months if not years...LMFAO ( what skill is required for this type of living???? )





Um, NASA in Houston. Lot's of Rocket Scientists,,,

d'oh!


wheel,
TMCTLT Offline
#24 Posted: Tue, Jul 30 2013, 6:59 AM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
Um, NASA in Houston. Lot's of Rocket Scientists,,,

d'oh!


wheel,




Yeah no mistake it's located there, any guess on how many are native Texans? Whistle
sd72 Offline
#25 Posted: Tue, Jul 30 2013, 7:10 AM EST
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You work for NASA? No chit. Someone said you fix flat tires
DadZilla3 Offline
#26 Posted: Tue, Jul 30 2013, 7:40 AM EST
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rfenst wrote:
And, that leads to the sole factor to consider whether to build the new space- rate of return. Either the city rationally expects it will profit from it or that it won't. Everything else here is subterfuge and a load of crap. Complain when it acknowledges its broke and can't fix its problem other than by filing BK AND complain when it considers a fiscally rational decision. Which one is it? You cannot have it both ways on this one...

The major beneficiaries of taxpayer subsidies for sports stadiums are not the communities as a whole, but the team owners and the businesses who directly benefit from the stadium being in a particular neighborhood.

http://www.brookings.edu/research/articles/1997/06/summer-taxes-noll
Buckwheat Offline
#27 Posted: Tue, Jul 30 2013, 8:02 AM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
No surprise. Down here our Govennor has slashed funding to colleges and universities yet they continue to contribute to the Tom Benson welfare fund even though the price of SAINTS tickets my FIL finally gave up this past season have risen from $22 each in 1986 to $302 each in 2012.

I really don't understand the reasoning. Taxpayers fund the stadiums, but are unable to watch the games played in that very stadium their tax dollars built if the owners can't sell all of their massively overpriced to tickets.


And if they don't sell out all of the tickets you can't even watch the game on TV. ram27bat
HockeyDad Offline
#28 Posted: Tue, Jul 30 2013, 9:12 AM EST
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Detroit would be fine if they could just convince the white people to move back from the suburbs instead of just coming in the city for Tigers, Lions, and Red Wings games.
teedubbya Offline
#29 Posted: Tue, Jul 30 2013, 9:33 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Detroit would be fine if they could just convince the white people to move back from the suburbs instead of just coming in the city for Tigers, Lions, and Red Wings games.


canada is offering to pay $350 for Detroit. I think we should sell.
ZRX1200 Offline
#30 Posted: Tue, Jul 30 2013, 9:35 AM EST
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How do the Canadians feel about minority filled cities? I've been to canada and saw fewer folks of color than a DNC fundraiser.
lannyflaherty Offline
#31 Posted: Tue, Jul 30 2013, 9:40 AM EST
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I, for one, am glad it's still on. I'm gonna pull a hat trick and bust all the windows out of three buildings on my way to the game.
teedubbya Offline
#32 Posted: Tue, Jul 30 2013, 9:43 AM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
How do the Canadians feel about minority filled cities? I've been to canada and saw fewer folks of color than a DNC fundraiser.


You would have to ask HD. He is the only Canadian I know
sd72 Offline
#33 Posted: Tue, Jul 30 2013, 9:49 AM EST
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They're starting to complain about whites moving down to the midtown area, raising values, opening places charging more than most can afford.

Think they called it dislocation.
bloody spaniard Offline
#34 Posted: Tue, Jul 30 2013, 10:00 AM EST
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What Detroit REALLY needs after a hockey stadium is an Olympic sized facility for synchronized swimming.ThumpUp
teedubbya Offline
#35 Posted: Tue, Jul 30 2013, 10:13 AM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
What Detroit REALLY needs after a hockey stadium is an Olympic sized facility for synchronized swimming.ThumpUp


Gene Simmons Memorial Aquacenter?
bloody spaniard Offline
#36 Posted: Tue, Jul 30 2013, 10:24 AM EST
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It worked for Greece. Impressive, albeit empty, facility that really spruced up the walk to the food kitchens in Athens. Applause
The crumbly leg wrestling & teat flopping while waving paper strip flag in the air while you tumble stadium is nice too.
sd72 Offline
#37 Posted: Tue, Jul 30 2013, 10:25 AM EST
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Sounds beautiful.
teedubbya Offline
#38 Posted: Tue, Jul 30 2013, 10:26 AM EST
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Ah yes. the Bob Segar Memorial Tumbling Center
sd72 Offline
#39 Posted: Tue, Jul 30 2013, 10:38 AM EST
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Ted Nugent wildlife petting zoo??
DadZilla3 Offline
#40 Posted: Tue, Jul 30 2013, 10:43 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
canada is offering to pay $350 for Detroit. I think we should sell.

Deal, especially if it means we can get more Tim Horton's. ThumpUp
bloody spaniard Offline
#41 Posted: Tue, Jul 30 2013, 12:03 PM EST
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The free spending profligates in DC now want to tear down ancient RFK after the Diplomat's (soccer?) lease expires in a couple of years & rebuild another stadium there in order to draw back the Redskins from the Maryland suburbs...

It never ends.Speak to the hand
wheelrite Offline
#42 Posted: Tue, Jul 30 2013, 4:45 PM EST
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sd72 wrote:
Ted Nugent wildlife petting zoo??


Ted lives in Texas most of the time now...
ZRX1200 Offline
#43 Posted: Tue, Jul 30 2013, 4:54 PM EST
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http://myemail.constantcontact.com/Ted-Nugent-Sunrize-Safaris.html?soid=1103157481328&aid=CJqTFsKwx_4
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