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jpotts Offline
#51 Posted:
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sd72 wrote:
You could ask for a raise maybe.


Just got one.
8trackdisco Offline
#52 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
But you have no idea what they did or how hard they worked to become successful. It is guilty until proven innocent.

The biggest outrage is that it takes place on a cigar forum dedicated to a pure luxury item yet we're all supposed to still plead middle class barely getting by poverty status.



You've got it good, HD. It is admirable how you feel for us little people outside the cone.

Should I wait for the shake?
fishinguitarman Offline
#53 Posted:
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"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."


Thomas Jefferson
HockeyDad Offline
#54 Posted:
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8trackdisco wrote:
You've got it good, HD. It is admirable how you feel for us little people outside the cone.

Should I wait for the shake?



Just because I have it good doesn't mean I don't have empathy for others. I knew I was going to stir it up on this thread and that is completely deliberate to make a point.

I do have it good and I know it. I also know every single thing I've done, how hard I've worked, what sacrifices I've made, and every single decision I've made to get me to where I am. We are in an era where I am supposed to apologize for being successful and I simply refuse to subscribe to that guideline.

I know where I stand on the income quintiles. I know where I stand on asset/wealth ownership. I pay plenty of taxes so the government can redistribute it to the less fortunate. less successful, or just plain incompetent. These people need to be helped or rewarded. I pay what the government currently deems is my "fair share".

I know if I'm a Republican I'm supposed to lament my status being destroyed by government regulations, welfare, and Obamacare. I know if I'm a Democrat I'm supposed to lament my status as being destroyed by corporate welfare, GWB's 2 trillion USD war debt but not Obama's 5 trillion USD debt, Wall Street, an unregulated economy that favors the rich, and the 1%ers. Regardless of which side I pick, I'm supposed to jump up and down and scream about the other side (the bad guys) shrinking the middle class with their evil measures.

I just choose not to participate. (...and, yes, I occasionally kick a peasant. Especially peasants who deserve to be peasants and middle class who act like peasants or try to claim to be peasants because it is politically correct.)
Lou Sanis Offline
#55 Posted:
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I have not hunted peasant since my Brittany Spaniel passed away.

DrafterX Offline
#56 Posted:
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I saw her boobs once... Mellow
Lou Sanis Offline
#57 Posted:
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All 8?
Gene363 Offline
#58 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
Just because I have it good doesn't mean I don't have empathy for others. I knew I was going to stir it up on this thread and that is completely deliberate to make a point.

I do have it good and I know it. I also know every single thing I've done, how hard I've worked, what sacrifices I've made, and every single decision I've made to get me to where I am. We are in an era where I am supposed to apologize for being successful and I simply refuse to subscribe to that guideline.

I know where I stand on the income quintiles. I know where I stand on asset/wealth ownership. I pay plenty of taxes so the government can redistribute it to the less fortunate. less successful, lazy, or just plain incompetent. These people need to be helped or rewarded. I pay what the government currently deems is my "fair share".

I know if I'm a Republican I'm supposed to lament my status being destroyed by government regulations, welfare, and Obamacare. I know if I'm a Democrat I'm supposed to lament my status as being destroyed by corporate welfare, GWB's 2 trillion USD war debt but not Obama's 5 trillion USD debt, Wall Street, an unregulated economy that favors the rich, and the 1%ers. Regardless of which side I pick, I'm supposed to jump up and down and scream about the other side (the bad guys) shrinking the middle class with their evil measures.

I just choose not to participate. (...and, yes, I occasionally kick a peasant. Especially peasants who deserve to be peasants and middle class who act like peasants or try to claim to be peasants because it is politically correct.)


+1,000,000.

Well said. I would only add one word:
lazy,

Envy is an ugly and miserable sin. Too easy to see in others; so hard to see in a mirror
bloody spaniard Offline
#59 Posted:
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HD, first of all I am one who feels that the unrigged open market is dead and thus, the opportunities for the hard working small business are greatly diminished by Government trade agreements, insular sets asides, outsourcing, & foreign investments which benefit everybody but them and the average fella on Main street who buys cheap Chinese goods.

There's nothing wrong with working hard (and smart) & then being proud of your accomplishments but you will find that wealth is fleeting like the grain of sands when clutched too tightly. The lazy, fat, manipulative, ABLE bas tards (both corporate and individual) sitting back collecting from Uncle Sugar in the way of no-compete contracts, pensions and other welfare goodies while they begrudge others, have no solid basis for their harsh judgment on the working man. Their work ethic belies an unsettling and unspoken (yet very evident by their words) arrogance that says I got mine now FU & go get yours.

It's time we pulled a bit together during these hard times which will INEVITABLY affect all of us- regardless of our overseas accounts/investments.

Just my Jefferson two dollars' worth...
DrafterX Offline
#60 Posted:
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reminds me of a story about a jellyfish.... Think
HockeyDad Offline
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bloody spaniard wrote:
HD, first of all I am one who feels that the unrigged open market is dead and thus, the opportunities for the hard working small business are greatly diminished by Government trade agreements, insular sets asides, outsourcing, & foreign investments which benefit everybody but them and the average fella on Main street who buys cheap Chinese goods.



Has there ever actually been an unrigged open market in the history of mankind? Understanding it has always been rigged, always will be, and is ever-evolving is a key to navigating it. The hard working small business that is set up to navigate an unrigged open market is quixotic.


bloody spaniard wrote:
There's nothing wrong with working hard (and smart) & then being proud of your accomplishments but you will find that wealth is fleeting like the grain of sands when clutched too tightly.



That is why wealth should be proudly spent and enjoyed as the fruits of one's labor. It should trickle down like a warm stream of Ronald Reagan's urine on Brewha's head.


bloody spaniard wrote:
The lazy, fat, manipulative, ABLE bas tards (both corporate and individual) sitting back collecting from Uncle Sugar in the way of no-compete contracts, pensions and other welfare goodies while they begrudge others, have no solid basis for their harsh judgment on the working man. Their work ethic belies an unsettling and unspoken (yet very evident by their words) arrogance that says I got mine now FU & go get yours.



They are looters and moochers. They will always exist. They are part of the playing field. They have no solid basis for their harsh judgment on the working man yet they will have that judgement anyway. Overcome them or join them.


bloody spaniard wrote:
It's time we pulled a bit together during these hard times which will INEVITABLY affect all of us- regardless of our overseas accounts/investments.


Who will help me plant the seeds?
Who will help me cut the wheat?
Who will help me take the wheat to the mill to be ground into flour?
Who will help me bake the bread?
Who will help me eat the bread?


Does "pull together" mean we work the farm as a coop or we just all eat the bread?

bloody spaniard Offline
#62 Posted:
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Damn, agree or disagree, I'm glad you're here. You challenge with a sense of humor.Herfing

I hope I herf with you and a few others before I'm dead.Beer
HockeyDad Offline
#63 Posted:
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You just need to come visit Tampa or Orlando. A herf can always be arranged! I do sometimes make it up to DC as well.



"Let me give you a tip on a clue to men's characters: the man who damns money has obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it has earned it.

Run for your life from any man who tells you that money is evil. That sentence is the leper's bell of an approaching looter. So long as men live together on earth and need means to deal with one another—their only substitute, if they abandon money, is the muzzle of a gun.

But money demands of you the highest virtues, if you wish to make it or to keep it. Men who have no courage, pride, or self-esteem, men who have no moral sense of their right to their money and are not willing to defend it as they defend their life, men who apologize for being rich—will not remain rich for long. They are the natural bait for the swarms of looters that stay under rocks for centuries, but come crawling out at the first smell of a man who begs to be forgiven for the guilt of owning wealth. They will hasten to relieve him of the guilt—and of his life, as he deserves.

Then you will see the rise of the double standard—the men who live by force, yet count on those who live by trade to create the value of their looted money—the men who are the hitchhikers of virtue. In a moral society, these are the criminals, and the statutes are written to protect you against them. But when a society establishes criminals-by-right and looters-by-law—men who use force to seize the wealth of DISARMED victims—then money becomes its creators' avenger. Such looters believe it safe to rob defenseless men, once they've passed a law to disarm them. But their loot becomes the magnet for other looters, who get it from them as they got it. Then the race goes, not to the ablest at production, but to those most ruthless at brutality. When force is the standard, the murderer wins over the pickpocket. And then that society vanishes, in a spread of ruins and slaughter.

Do you wish to know whether that day is coming? Watch money. Money is the barometer of a society's virtue. When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion—when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing—when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors—when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don't protect you against them, but protect them against you—when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice—you may know that your society is doomed. Money is so noble a medium that it does not compete with guns and it does not make terms with brutality. It will not permit a country to survive as half-property, half-loot."


DrafterX Offline
#64 Posted:
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damn... Mellow
8trackdisco Offline
#65 Posted:
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I think that is a copy and paste from Shrugged.

HD,
I don't commend or condemn you for being well off. In 98.2% of your posts you play the role of the richer, smarter, and all around better than you, persona. It occurred to me a while back that you are all go go gadget globalist, all of the time without any humility. It is like watching a pitcher throw 104 mph fastballs day after day. Impressive, sure. But somewhere in there, it would be nice to see .... The human side of TR.

It's been a tough five years for the average American. The feeling that the big boat is sinking, with people either scrambling up the boat in hopes of staying away from the waves that seem to be gaining on them every day.

While at the same time, the blow horn communications from the nearby luxury liner is talking about subpar caviar, and the need for the peasants to spit shine your anchor..... it an be a bit much. (I can say that because I have never offended anybody or taken a joke too far.)

The decisions you made to put yourself in the financial position you are in today were paid for in other areas I'm sure.

I'd like to have a cigar with you. You've got to have a thousand interesting stories to tell. Somewhere in there is probably a normal dude- once the smoke disappears from you lighting your cigars with $100 bills. I'd like to learn from your mistakes.
bloody spaniard Offline
#66 Posted:
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The richest men that I have ever known (personally) have been the humblest.

Having said that, I wouldn't take HD's posting persona to heart, brother 8.
I'm sure Mr. Cone of Protection is having fun.
8trackdisco Offline
#67 Posted:
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bloody spaniard wrote:

Having said that, I wouldn't take HD's posting persona to heart, brother 8.
I'm sure Mr. Cone of Protection is having fun.


There is certainly something to be said for consistency.

By that same rational JJohnson and Rugrunner posted a certain way 98.2% of the time. Maybe they were just misunderstood.

The forum needs a heartless Globalist.
victor809 Offline
#68 Posted:
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8trackdisco wrote:

The forum needs a heartless Globalist.


What??? Are we firing HD?
DrafterX Offline
#69 Posted:
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we can do that..?? Huh
dkeage Offline
#70 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
we can do that..?? Huh

What do you think REALLY happened to Cros?!!
victor809 Offline
#71 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
we can do that..?? Huh


Only if you're in the double platinum member level or above....





... I've said too much already.
8trackdisco Offline
#72 Posted:
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dkeage wrote:
What do you think REALLY happened to Cros?!!



................................................................................................................................................. was only following your orders.
DrafterX Offline
#73 Posted:
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dkeage wrote:
What do you think REALLY happened to Cros?!!



OhMyGod
DrafterX Offline
#74 Posted:
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8trackdisco wrote:
................................................................................................................................................. Was only following your orders.



Not talking
ZRX1200 Offline
#75 Posted:
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I fear the cost of the Cone of Protection was a 29 hour a week globalist.
dkeage Offline
#76 Posted:
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8trackdisco wrote:
................................................................................................................................................. was only following your orders.

The number one rule of member disposal IS.....????.....ram27bat
ZRX1200 Offline
#77 Posted:
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When you all need hunting tips, fishing tips and a recipe for homemade black powder I'm your guy.


Or which direction TW should lay so his fat ass doesn't snore.
bloody spaniard Offline
#78 Posted:
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^ I'm going to take you up on the fishing tips. Need to start my 13 yr old with good beginner's tackle & pole.
I got rid of all my fishing stuff.

8trackdisco wrote:
I think that is a copy and paste from Shrugged.
HD,
...In 98.2% of your posts you play the role of the richer, smarter, and all around better than you, persona...

I'd like to have a cigar with you. You've got to have a thousand interesting stories to tell. Somewhere in there is probably a normal dude- once the smoke disappears from you lighting your cigars with $100 bills. I'd like to learn from your mistakes.

Think Holy smokes!
It'd be like having an evening with a hybrid of Thurston Howell III, the professor, and Gilligan with a dash of Ginger.
DrafterX Offline
#79 Posted:
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Got to have lunch with HD & DMV one day.. both very nice guys with healthy appetites... ThumpUp
wheelrite Offline
#80 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
Got to have lunch with HD & DMV one day.. both very nice guys with healthy appetites... ThumpUp


Both ,
good dudes...


wheel,
8trackdisco Offline
#81 Posted:
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dkeage wrote:
The number one rule of member disposal IS.....????.....ram27bat



NEVER MENTION MEMBER DISPOSAL SIR!
dkeage Offline
#82 Posted:
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8trackdisco wrote:
NEVER MENTION MEMBER DISPOSAL SIR!

Applause
HockeyDad Offline
#83 Posted:
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8trackdisco wrote:
There is certainly something to be said for consistency.

By that same rational JJohnson and Rugrunner posted a certain way 98.2% of the time. Maybe they were just misunderstood.

The forum needs a heartless Globalist.





Now this looks like a job for me so everybody just follow me
'Cause we need a little controversy,
'Cause it feels so empty without me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVkUvmDQ3HY



“What the world needs is a set villain that people can point at and say, “It’s all your fault!” ~ Haruki Murakami
HockeyDad Offline
#84 Posted:
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8trackdisco wrote:
HD,
I don't commend or condemn you for being well off. In 98.2% of your posts you play the role of the richer, smarter, and all around better than you, persona. It occurred to me a while back that you are all go go gadget globalist, all of the time without any humility. It is like watching a pitcher throw 104 mph fastballs day after day. Impressive, sure. But somewhere in there, it would be nice to see .... The human side of TR.



Humility (adjectival form: humble) is the quality of being modest or respectful. Why is it important to see humility in a form that you have deemed acceptable only. Perhaps I've always shown humility but you don't recognize it. I may throw 104 mph fastballs but I never aim at anyone's head. NEVER. Would it be humble to pretend I'm not a globalist? I have people working for me in three countries and do business in three global currencies daily. That doesn't mean I don't like long walks on the beach and sunsets.

Sure, I can sit around the campfire and complain about how the Republicans (or Democrats) are shrinking the middle class while passing out Pabst Blue Ribbons. I recognize that this would make people happy. There are people smarter and richer than me here already doing this. In the words of the legendary Adroomi, wouldn't that just be a circle-jerk?!


8trackdisco wrote:
It's been a tough five years for the average American. The feeling that the big boat is sinking, with people either scrambling up the boat in hopes of staying away from the waves that seem to be gaining on them every day.


During those those tough five years, how many of those average Americans went into that period with the mindset that they'll just keep doing the same things they've been doing and they'll be fine. Yet they were not. How many people today are doing the exact same things they were doing 7 years ago? The playing field changed in bigger ways than it ever has in our lifetimes. How many people changed anything at all or just assumed that what they were doing would fit on the new playing field.

When the USA decided to bail out the banks to preserve the credit-based economy, the USA chose to have a long drawn-out recession and slow recovery instead a a sharp recession and sharp recovery. We saved the lender at the expense of the borrower and the taxpayers. The USA chose a European style recession instead of an American recession. I said this and warned of this years ago right here. This has significant business model implications. Some listen, some don't.

Before Obama was even elected I advised that people needed to get under the Obama Cone of Protection. It was clear that certain segments of the economy where going to have his favor during any recovery and other segments were going to be killed. The people aren't dumb enough to elect a guy with no executive experience, we won't elect a black man, we won't elect a socialist, he's not even American-born....well we won't elect him a second time! blah blah blah. Some listen, some don't.

The big boat is sinking. That isn't just a feeling. I've been saying that all along. When you recognize that the big boat is sinking, you do different things. When you think it is just leaning a bit to the port side, you don't change a thing and just head off to the coal mine each day for work meanwhile there is a growing need for life preserver salesmen and less coal.


8trackdisco wrote:
While at the same time, the blow horn communications from the nearby luxury liner is talking about subpar caviar, and the need for the peasants to spit shine your anchor..... it an be a bit much. (I can say that because I have never offended anybody or taken a joke too far.)



Eventually the peasants will sink the luxury liner because it seemed like the most convenient thing to blame. Only afterwards they will discover that it solved nothing.


8trackdisco wrote:
The decisions you made to put yourself in the financial position you are in today were paid for in other areas I'm sure.

I'd like to have a cigar with you. You've got to have a thousand interesting stories to tell. Somewhere in there is probably a normal dude- once the smoke disappears from you lighting your cigars with $100 bills. I'd like to learn from your mistakes.


All decisions have a cost. It is all about making a balanced decision. Risk versus reward. I'm up for a cigar anytime. I hate to disappoint you but I light them with a Ronson from Walmart. I use Ronson fuel in it, not that 5x refined super whatever stuff that others swear on.
DrafterX Offline
#85 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
I hate to disappoint you but I light them with a Ronson from Walmart. I use Ronson fuel in it, not that 5x refined super whatever stuff that others swear on.


OhMyGod
bloody spaniard Offline
#86 Posted:
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I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
I know, I know, manopause.
horse
ZRX1200 Offline
#87 Posted:
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Best thread in a long time.

LHD that's kind of a simplistic view of the lemmings, though I do agree. One point I think folks have a major issue with is the public watching our sovereignty being gutted aside from the purely financial side. I also realize they are inand have beena for inseperable for awhile.
HockeyDad Offline
#88 Posted:
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bloody spaniard wrote:
I don't know whether to laugh or cry.



It doesn't have to be an either/or decision!
HockeyDad Offline
#89 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Best thread in a long time.

LHD that's kind of a simplistic view of the lemmings, though I do agree.



If I laid out a complicated view of the lemmings I would probably get accused of being a heartless elitist! (I'm really not. I love the smell of orange groves in full bloom in the spring...and stuff.)


ZRX1200 wrote:
One point I think folks have a major issue with is the public watching our sovereignty being gutted aside from the purely financial side. I also realize they are in and have been a for inseparable for awhile.



United States sovereignty is almost an oxymoron at this point. It is unfortunate but that course is not going to reverse until world war 3. The USA very well might start WW3 if there ever was a credit embargo against the USA. We already know it is not wise for countries to move away from petrodollars.
bloody spaniard Offline
#90 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
It doesn't have to be an either/or decision!

True. I opted for the Sally "You like me, you really like me!" Field emotional release. It was liberating.
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#91 Posted:
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bloody spaniard wrote:
True. I opted for the 'When Harry met Sally' emotional release. It was liberating.



freak... Mellow
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