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Obama Furloughed Catholicism!
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The U.S. military has furloughed as many as 50 Catholic chaplains due to the partial suspension of government services, banning them from celebrating weekend Mass. At least one chaplain was told that if he engaged in any ministry activity, he would be subjected to disciplinary action.

“In very practical terms it means Sunday Mass won’t be offered,” Archbishop Timothy Broglio of the Archdiocese for the Military Services told me. “If someone has a baptism scheduled, it won’t be celebrated.”

The Archdiocese for the Military Services tells me the military installations impacted are served by non-active-duty priests who were hired as government contractors. As a result of a shortage of active duty Catholic chaplains, the government hires contract priests.

A well-placed source told me that a furloughed Air Force chaplain was threatened after he offered to forgo pay.

Broglio said some military bases have forbidden the contract priests from volunteering to celebrate Mass without pay.

“They were told they cannot function because those are contracted services and since there’s no funding they can’t do it – even if they volunteer,” he said.

John Schlageter, general counsel for the archdiocese, said any furloughed priests volunteering their services could face big trouble.

“During the shutdown, it is illegal for them to minister on base and they risk being arrested if they attempt to do so,” he said in a written statement.

A well-placed source told me that a furloughed Air Force chaplain was threatened after he offered to forgo pay. The chaplain was told he could not go on base or enter his chapel offices. He was also barred from engaging in any ministry activity.

The source told me the chaplain was told that if he violated those orders he and his supervisor would be subjected to disciplinary action – with the possibility of being fired.

Ron Crews, executive director of the Chaplain Alliance for Religious Liberty, called those developments disturbing.

“Catholic military personnel should not have their religious liberties held hostage by this funding crisis,” Crews told me. “I find it alarming that these priests cannot even volunteer to provide services without threat of arrest.”

The archbishop said a priest at Joint Base Langley-Eustis was banned from officiating at the wedding of a couple he’d been counseling.

“The wedding could be on the base, but the priest can’t do the wedding,” Broglio told me.

A priest at the Naval Amphibious Base in Little Creek, Va., was told he could not celebrate Mass on base because of the government shutdown. So he discovered a way to circumvent the ban.

“He’s having Mass in a local park off base,” the archbishop said.

The archbishop said it doesn’t make any sense to forbid priests from voluntarily ministering to the troops.

“Most of us don’t look to see that we’re going to be paid before we do something,” he said. “They are not being allowed to volunteer even to meet the needs of the faithful.”

Bill Donohue, of the Catholic League, told me he’s not surprised by the decision to furlough Catholic priests.

“In American history there has been no administration more anti-Catholic than the Obama administration,” he said. “For them to deny Catholic men and women the opportunity of the sacraments and to deal with their prayerful vocations is really a stunning statement.”

Donohue chalked it up to meanness.

“This idea of punishing Catholics in the military - denying them their priests - is consistent with the animus this administration has demonstrated,” he said.

It’s not exactly clear who is the final arbiter in the furloughs – but I suspect it’s the same folks who kicked school children out of the White House and elderly veterans out of the World War II Memorial.

“It’s difficult to know who exactly is making these decisions,” the archbishop said. “I’m being told it keeps getting kicked up to a higher level.”

I called the Pentagon but no one returned my calls.

I called the Air Force public affairs office and they told me to reach out to the local bases.

Surely there must be some way to compromise, to let Catholics practice their faith.

I find it odd that the military was able to find enough cash to let their football teams play this weekend – but they can’t scrounge up enough cash for weekend church services.

“It’s a sad contrast when we can let a football game go on but we won’t let a priest go on base and celebrate Mass,” he said.

So in President Obama’s world – college football players are essential but Catholic priests are not.
TMCTLT Offline
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Unfrickenbeleivable......horse When this man was elected.....my wife called him the Anti- Christ. Think
wheelrite Offline
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I bet the Muslims get to do their thing,,,
Burner02 Offline
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Guess all military priest will need to become or be like Father Kapaun, priest, solder and war hero.

He was killed by the Chinese for holding Mass in a POW camp.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Whew...some of our young soldiers are safe from the butt rape the Vatican would throw down upon them.

All praise the Kenyan King!
ZRX1200 Offline
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At least he's not a divider.
DrafterX Offline
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'Make it Hurt'

Mellow
ZRX1200 Offline
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I look foward to future FOIA releases on this political yoyo.
DadZilla3 Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
“During the shutdown, it is illegal for them to minister on base and they risk being arrested if they attempt to do so,” he said in a written statement.

Next step is making them wear a distinctive religious emblem on their clothing so they can easily be identified...for their own protection, of course.
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DadZilla3 wrote:
Next step is making them wear a distinctive religious emblem on their clothing so they can easily be identified...for their own protection, of course.

I can assure you that works!
bloody spaniard Offline
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Pfft, no need for ANY Christian chaplains! An Indian shaman (witch doctor) hanging from hooks in a smoke hut is the answer!!
They gots invisible blankets that protect from bullets & can summon evil spirits for help!ThumpUp
bloody spaniard Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
I can assure you that works!

I got mine on right now but the stitching is loose.
teedubbya Offline
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Why just catholic? Are other denominations and religions allowed to preach or is this a targeted outrage.

I bet Allah Allah Akbar is being chanted in all units as we speak.

Obama sure hates the Catholics.
DrafterX Offline
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he might... prolly why he's planning to run for Pope.... Mellow
Brewha Offline
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Just foot note here, not meaning to spoil all the barking at the moon:

The tea bag crazies start to set the house on fire because they don't support the law of the land. And the puppet show sells the conservative right on the idea that this near treason is the 'right thing to do'. And the wing nuts conclude that 'Obama hates Catholics'.

LOL

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Brewha wrote:
Just foot note here, not meaning to spoil all the barking at the moon:

The tea bag crazies start to set the house on fire because they don't support the law of the land. And the puppet show sells the conservative right on the idea that this near treason is the 'right thing to do'. And the wing nuts conclude that 'Obama hates Catholics'.

LOL


Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.

- Saul Alinsky, 'Rules for Radicals'
ZRX1200 Offline
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Treason?

BHO has that covered in SPADES (see what I did there?)

Slavery used to be legal too. As was everything Hitler did. (C'mon teedubbya that's for you)
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Brewha wrote:
Just foot note here, not meaning to spoil all the barking at the moon:

The tea bag crazies start to set the house on fire because they don't support the law of the land. And the puppet show sells the conservative right on the idea that this near treason is the 'right thing to do'. And the wing nuts conclude that 'Obama hates Catholics'.

LOL




You need to go back and check your facts. O'Blamer has been chipping away at the Catholic Church since he set foot in the White House.

Why? Because the church see's him for what he is really is and that would be a "Socialist".

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ZRX1200 wrote:

BHO has that covered in SPADES (see what I did there?)


Shame on you
Brewha Offline
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Burner02 wrote:
You need to go back and check your facts. O'Blamer has been chipping away at the Catholic Church since he set foot in the White House.

Why? Because the church see's him for what he is really is and that would be a "Socialist".


And I would have guessed that Obama hated Catholics because he was a "Mooslum" . . . .
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I heard if your're not Mooslum you're an infidel... Mellow
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Brewha wrote:
And I would have guessed that Obama hated Catholics because he was a "Socialist" . . . .



Fixed it.
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DrafterX wrote:
I heard if your're not Mooslum you're an infidel... Mellow




And you heard correct.
DadZilla3 Offline
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Burner02 wrote:
You need to go back and check your facts. O'Blamer has been chipping away at the Catholic Church since he set foot in the White House.

Why? Because the church see's him for what he is really is and that would be a "Socialist".


Or, as the Anti Christ...depending on how fundamental their beliefs are.
bloody spaniard Offline
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Doesn't make sense because the Catholic Church itself, as well as various Christian denominations, has factions with socialist leanings.

I still think a good medicine man w/scary mask trumps any chaplain.
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that Chief of the Waponis seemed like a nice guy.... I wonder what happened to him... Think
Brewha Offline
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DadZilla3 wrote:
Or, as the Anti Christ...depending on how fundamental their beliefs are.

Anti Christ? Is that like Mary’s sister?
DadZilla3 Offline
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Brewha wrote:
Anti Christ? Is that like Mary’s sister?

No, you're thinking of Ante Bellum.
DrafterX Offline
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Aunt Bee..?? Huh
Brewha Offline
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DadZilla3 wrote:
No, you're thinking of Ante Bellum.

Right – Her sister Sarah Bellum has great motor control, balance, and muscle tone. However, I digress . . . . .
I think she is Catholic though -
Brewha Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
Aunt Bee..?? Huh

I think she was Unitarian.
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I always pictured Aunt B singing:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vI9YvjON7Y&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Brewha Offline
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I always thought of Opie eating pie when he made it with Aunt Bea . . . .
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Brewha wrote:
Right – Her sister Sarah Bellum has great motor control, balance, and muscle tone. However, I digress . . . . .
I think she is Catholic though -

Didn't she end up running off with some Czech guy named Purkinje?
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DadZilla3 wrote:
Didn't she end up running off with some Czech guy named Purkinje?

Right - I heard he was really into Sarah . . . .
Purkinje was not Catholic though – He was Electrophysiological
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Brewha wrote:
Right – Her sister Sarah Bellum has great motor control, balance, and muscle tone. However, I digress . . . . .
I think she is Catholic though -





You are probably correct about that one! Anyone with a "Sarah" Bellum is most likely Catholic!


Think
DadZilla3 Offline
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Brewha wrote:
Right - I heard he was really into Sarah . . . .
Purkinje was not Catholic though – He was Electrophysiological

He must not have had the heart to finally convert to Catholicism, even though he had the potential...
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DadZilla3 wrote:
He must not have had the heart to finally convert to Catholicism, even though he had the potential...

I'm sure that their potential difference was grounded by their lack of polarization. This should be a beacon to us all.
DadZilla3 Offline
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Brewha wrote:
I'm sure that their potential difference was grounded by their lack of polarization. This should be a beacon to us all.

As well it should.
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