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rfenst Online
#1 Posted: Mon, Oct 7 2013, 4:54 PM EST
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... according to many. Obama sys he would sign off quickly...

Why not try it?
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#2 Posted: Mon, Oct 7 2013, 4:59 PM EST
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Elaborate. Because what you just described is about as open-ended as it gets.
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#3 Posted: Mon, Oct 7 2013, 5:04 PM EST
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Sure, right after the Senate votes on all the funds bills the House has already passed.
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#4 Posted: Mon, Oct 7 2013, 5:04 PM EST
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I do believe that if the house and senate agreed to a bill that gave Obama everything he wants, he would sign. It.
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#5 Posted: Mon, Oct 7 2013, 5:05 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
I do believe that if the house and senate agreed to a bill that gave Obama everything he wants, he would sign. It.


Captain Obvious has spoken. jester
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#6 Posted: Mon, Oct 7 2013, 5:55 PM EST
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Well, sometimes the way through the Gordian Knot is via Occam's Razor.
rfenst Online
#7 Posted: Mon, Oct 7 2013, 6:10 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:
Sure, right after the Senate votes on all the funds bills the House has already passed.


Wait. I thought the addendum issue was just Obamacare. You mean there is more now?




Sarcasm
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#8 Posted: Mon, Oct 7 2013, 6:12 PM EST
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jpotts wrote:
Elaborate. Because what you just described is about as open-ended as it gets.


Um, transparency. Is that contextually obvious?
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#9 Posted: Mon, Oct 7 2013, 6:16 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
I do believe that if the house and senate agreed to a bill that gave Obama everything he wants, he would sign. It.


Right.
HE doesn't want enough. Obamacare isn't too much.
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#10 Posted: Mon, Oct 7 2013, 6:17 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Um, transparency. Is that contextually obvious?



We already have the most transparent administration in history.
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#11 Posted: Mon, Oct 7 2013, 6:18 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Right.
HE doesn't want enough. Obamacare isn't too much.


He should demand an additional 3 trillion dollars in debt ceiling.
rfenst Online
#12 Posted: Mon, Oct 7 2013, 6:18 PM EST
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fiddler898 wrote:
Well, sometimes the way through the Gordian Knot is via Occam's Razor.



A knot and a razor analogy is too simple for most. You need to make the issue more complex and stop dumbing things down. Sarcasm
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#13 Posted: Mon, Oct 7 2013, 6:32 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
He should demand an additional 3 trillion dollars in debt ceiling.


Just pray interest rates stay where they are and our debt service will stay at 28% of taxes collected. The average interest paid on the US debt in September was about 1.1%.

However, should they rise to January 2000 rates, then without an increase in the debt limit, debt service rises to about 80% of taxes collected.
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#14 Posted: Mon, Oct 7 2013, 7:29 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
Just pray interest rates stay where they are and our debt service will stay at 28% of taxes collected. The average interest paid on the US debt in September was about 1.1%.

However, should they rise to January 2000 rates, then without an increase in the debt limit, debt service rises to about 80% of taxes collected.


If interest rates rise, the USA becomes Greece with tires burning in the streets. Loss of lender confidence brings immediate austerity.

All empires eventually come to end either through debt, wars, or both. We've dropped the ball on wars with Syria and Iran and need to get back in gear.

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#15 Posted: Mon, Oct 7 2013, 7:48 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
If interest rates rise, the USA becomes Greece with tires burning in the streets. Loss of lender confidence brings immediate austerity.

All empires eventually come to end either through debt, wars, or both. We've dropped the ball on wars with Syria and Iran and need to get back in gear.




We won't live long enough to know for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if we peaked several decades ago.
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#16 Posted: Tue, Oct 8 2013, 10:09 AM EST
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Obama has made it very clear that he glady will negotiate after we give him what he wants... Not talking
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#17 Posted: Tue, Oct 8 2013, 12:35 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Um, transparency. Is that contextually obvious?


"Opening up government," is like saying "I'd like some protein."

You want a cow, a chicken, horse, or some peanuts. You want peanut encrusted steak, or a chicken taco? it has nothing to do with "transparency."

"Opening up government?" All of it? Some of it? Everything but Obamacare? The Military only? The parks services?

And yeah, I'm sure it might pass...to the detriment of us all...
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#18 Posted: Tue, Oct 8 2013, 12:36 PM EST
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The longer this "shutdown" goes on, the better we will all be in the end.
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#19 Posted: Tue, Oct 8 2013, 12:40 PM EST
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/02/clean-funding-bill_n_4031784.html

http://www.buffalonews.com/city-region/washington-politics/votes-are-there-but-boehner-resists-end-to-shutdown-20131003
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#20 Posted: Tue, Oct 8 2013, 12:40 PM EST
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jpotts wrote:
The longer this "shutdown" goes on, the better we will all be in the end.



RollEyes jester
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#21 Posted: Tue, Oct 8 2013, 12:45 PM EST
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Reid the land theif and Soetoro forced this.

All they have to do is govern like grown ups and compromise and you can quit whining.
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#22 Posted: Tue, Oct 8 2013, 1:20 PM EST
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Imagine if a Democratic congress threatened to crash the global economy, unless they got gun checks or immigration reform.



He's got a valid point!
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#23 Posted: Tue, Oct 8 2013, 1:23 PM EST
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'Raising the debt ceiling does not increase our debt'.... Think
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#24 Posted: Tue, Oct 8 2013, 1:30 PM EST
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fiddler898 wrote:
Well, sometimes the way through the Gordian Knot is via Occam's Razor.


Check out the big brain on brad. Boo hoo!
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#25 Posted: Tue, Oct 8 2013, 1:34 PM EST
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Ok chicken little......
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#26 Posted: Tue, Oct 8 2013, 1:37 PM EST
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Was hoping to hear some new arguments from Obummer... I've heard the same stuff for over a week now... Not talking Not talking

It's only irresponsible if someone else acts like he is... Think
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#27 Posted: Wed, Oct 9 2013, 11:08 AM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Reid the land theif and Soetoro forced this.

All they have to do is govern like grown ups and compromise and you can quit whining.


Yea I was just thinking the other day that the Tea Party is truly the party of comprimise and the Dems just need to learn to do so..... LMAO

in related news the ration of chocolate just went up from 4 grams to 2 grams.
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#28 Posted: Wed, Oct 9 2013, 11:10 AM EST
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I'm thinking we should just demand Obama produce his birth certificate. it is the only rational way out of this.
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#29 Posted: Wed, Oct 9 2013, 11:11 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I'm thinking we should just demand Obama produce his birth certificate. it is the only rational way out of this.



The one from Kenya or Hawaii?
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#30 Posted: Wed, Oct 9 2013, 11:13 AM EST
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Think
noone's mentioned Bengazi in a while.... Think
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#31 Posted: Wed, Oct 9 2013, 11:14 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
The one from Kenya or Hawaii?


Both of them. It is the only rational way towards comprimise.
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#32 Posted: Wed, Oct 9 2013, 11:17 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Think
noone's mentioned Bengazi in a while.... Think


Three weeks ago we had a s%&tload of money to bomb Syria. I wonder what we spent it on.
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#33 Posted: Wed, Oct 9 2013, 11:18 AM EST
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Is Bengazi the dide that played Ghandi? What a boring effin movie. He also liked to not comprimise but pretend he wanted to.
teedubbya Offline
#34 Posted: Wed, Oct 9 2013, 11:19 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Three weeks ago we had a s%&tload of money to bomb Syria. I wonder what we spent it on.


we used it to shut down the monuments and stuff.
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#35 Posted: Wed, Oct 9 2013, 11:40 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Three weeks ago we had a s%&tload of money to bomb Syria. I wonder what we spent it on.



I heard we gave it to Big Bird..... seems Bert needed some sort of operation or something.... Mellow
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#36 Posted: Wed, Oct 9 2013, 11:41 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
I heard we gave it to Big Bird..... seems Bert needed some sort of operation or something.... Mellow


I always knew Ernie was the pitcher
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#37 Posted: Wed, Oct 9 2013, 2:04 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I always knew Ernie was the pitcher



I heard they explained all that on the show one day... Mellow
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#38 Posted: Wed, Oct 9 2013, 2:27 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
If interest rates rise, the USA becomes Greece with tires burning in the streets. Loss of lender confidence brings immediate austerity.

All empires eventually come to end either through debt, wars, or both. We've dropped the ball on wars with Syria and Iran and need to get back in gear.


I never know quite where to categorize you. One minute you're a selfish Thurston Howell wannabe, the next minute a pragmatist who wants what's best for all.
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#39 Posted: Wed, Oct 9 2013, 2:40 PM EST
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http://reason.com/archives/2013/10/09/government-shutdown-dont-believe-the-hyp
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#40 Posted: Wed, Oct 9 2013, 3:05 PM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
I never know quite where to categorize you. One minute you're a selfish Thurston Howell wannabe, the next minute a pragmatist who wants what's best for all.



Why you trying to fit me in some kind of box?!

If I'm a Democrat, I think trillions of dollars in Obama debt is great and we desperately need more. Bush debt, however, was just awful.

If I'm a Republican, I think trillions of dollars in Bush debt was fantastic but the second Obama took office, trillions of dollars in additional debt has been just awful and needs to be stopped immediately. (Trillions of dollars in Romney debt would have been fantastic)
teedubbya Offline
#41 Posted: Wed, Oct 9 2013, 3:11 PM EST
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That leaves the third box Mr. Massengil.
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#42 Posted: Wed, Oct 9 2013, 3:17 PM EST
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LOL@ Mr. Massengill

HockeyDad wrote:
Why you trying to fit me in some kind of box?!

If I'm a Democrat, I think trillions of dollars in Obama debt is great and we desperately need more. Bush debt, however, was just awful.

If I'm a Republican, I think trillions of dollars in Bush debt was fantastic but the second Obama took office, trillions of dollars in additional debt has been just awful and needs to be stopped immediately. (Trillions of dollars in Romney debt would have been fantastic)

LOL! (some more)Herfing
All I know is that something has to be done PRONTO to prevent the imminent Great Depression II and I honestly don't know what it is. XFinity doesn't know either.
I'm sure some college kid economist has all the answers though.
2014 should be an interesting year.
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#43 Posted: Wed, Oct 9 2013, 3:33 PM EST
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fiddler898 wrote:
Well, sometimes the way through the Gordian Knot is via Occam's Razor.

Right now it's all up to Schrödinger's cat.
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#44 Posted: Wed, Oct 9 2013, 3:46 PM EST
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DadZilla3 wrote:
Right now it's all up to Schrödinger's cat.


Is that some sort of german porn?
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#45 Posted: Wed, Oct 9 2013, 3:53 PM EST
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Teedubbya mag deutsche Stuhlgang Pornos
teedubbya Offline
#46 Posted: Wed, Oct 9 2013, 4:01 PM EST
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Ich spreckin sie deutch nicht su gern
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#47 Posted: Wed, Oct 9 2013, 4:08 PM EST
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^ Who are you accusing of being a jew, Kurt Waldheim?

HockeyDad wrote:
I do believe that if the house and senate agreed to a bill that gave Obama everything he wants, he would sign. It.

I think you forgot this. Sarcasm
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#48 Posted: Wed, Oct 9 2013, 5:13 PM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
^ Who are you accusing of being a jew, Kurt Waldheim?


I think you forgot this. Sarcasm


funny I was just listening to guess the jew the other day....
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#49 Posted: Wed, Oct 9 2013, 6:45 PM EST
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ACHTUNG BABY !
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