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Abrignac Offline
#1 Posted: Fri, Oct 18 2013, 8:47 AM EST
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Student banned from writing about God as 'hero'
Posted: Oct 17, 2013 6:48 PM CDT Updated: Oct 17, 2013 6:56 PM CDT

By WMCTV.com Staff

SHELBY COUNTY, TN -
(WMC-TV) - A teacher told a 10-year-old student that writing about her hero in school could violate the first amendment in the classroom. After some help from attorneys, Erin Shead finally turned in her paper about God.


"Of course students can talk and write about God in school," said Liberty Institute Attorney Jeremy Dys. "Young teachers, like Erin's, have been barraged with so much false information for so long that they are afraid that a 10-year-old student's coloring assignment might violate the First Amendment. That kind of intimidation by the ACLU and Freedom from Religion Foundation is wrong and is precisely what Liberty Institute was founded to combat."

When first given the assignment, Erin asked if she could write about God. After the teacher said no, Erin wrote two assignments including one about God and the other on Michael Jackson.

The teacher rejected the assignment relating to God. According to Liberty Institute attorneys, students then openly mocked Erin's belief in God, which caused her to ask her mother about religion in school.

After discussions with attorneys, Shelby County Schools reversed the decision of their teacher and allowed Erin to turn in her original assignment about God. Erin earned an A.

Copyright 2013 WMC-TV. All rights reserved.


http://www.wafb.com/story/23723139/school-district-allows-student-to-write-about-god-as-hero-after-attorney-weigh
ZRX1200 Offline
#2 Posted: Fri, Oct 18 2013, 9:12 AM EST
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Not surprised.
teedubbya Offline
#3 Posted: Fri, Oct 18 2013, 9:59 AM EST
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It begs the question.... just how dumb can people be?
DrafterX Offline
#4 Posted: Fri, Oct 18 2013, 10:01 AM EST
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Mellow
DrMaddVibe Offline
#5 Posted: Fri, Oct 18 2013, 1:07 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
It begs the question.... just how dumb can people be?



Ever hear of the Seattle Seahawks QB that believes God talks to him?Angel
tailgater Offline
#6 Posted: Fri, Oct 18 2013, 3:01 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
It begs the question.... just how dumb can people be?


Obama/Biden 2012
dharbolt Offline
#7 Posted: Fri, Oct 18 2013, 3:22 PM EST
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Not talking
teedubbya Offline
#8 Posted: Fri, Oct 18 2013, 3:47 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Obama/Biden 2012






Bush/Cheney 2004


agreed. decades of dumbness
HockeyDad Offline
#9 Posted: Fri, Oct 18 2013, 3:54 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Bush/Cheney 2004


agreed. decades of dumbness



If it wasn't for Bush/Cheney, you would be speaking Iraqi right now. You're welcome.
teedubbya Offline
#10 Posted: Fri, Oct 18 2013, 3:55 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
If it wasn't for Bush/Cheney, you would be speaking Iraqi right now. You're welcome.



Yea I heard Saddam intended to invade Kansas City. He had a three year plan in place.
z6joker9 Offline
#11 Posted: Fri, Oct 18 2013, 4:10 PM EST
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If you say Jesus backwards, it sounds like sausage.
rfenst Offline
#12 Posted: Fri, Oct 18 2013, 7:03 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
It begs the question.... just how dumb can people be?


MUCH dumber.
JadeRose Offline
#13 Posted: Sat, Oct 19 2013, 1:16 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Yea I heard Saddam intended to invade Kansas City. He had a three year plan in place.



He just wanted a Town Topic burger
bloody spaniard Offline
#14 Posted: Sat, Oct 19 2013, 2:12 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
If it wasn't for Bush/Cheney, you wouldn't be have Obama now. You're welcome.

ThumbDown Sad
HockeyDad Offline
#15 Posted: Sat, Oct 19 2013, 3:34 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Yea I heard Saddam intended to invade Kansas City. He had a three year plan in place.



Nobody wants Kansas City.
Brewha Offline
#16 Posted: Sun, Oct 20 2013, 3:36 PM EST
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z6joker9 wrote:
If you say Jesus backwards, it sounds like sausage.

After a life time of pondering the whole "god spelled backwards is dog" thing, you have given me another piece of the puzzle.

Thanks Bro. ThumpUp
Buckwheat Offline
#17 Posted: Mon, Oct 21 2013, 10:49 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
If it wasn't for Bush/Cheney, you would be speaking Iraqi right now. You're welcome.



What's Iraqi? The official languages of Iraq are Arabic or Kurdish.

You silly French are always going around taunting Kings. Now go away or I will taunt you a second time. Beer
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#18 Posted: Mon, Oct 21 2013, 10:56 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
After a life time of pondering the whole "god spelled backwards is dog" thing, you have given me another piece of the puzzle.

Thanks Bro. ThumpUp



Think
HockeyDad Offline
#19 Posted: Mon, Oct 21 2013, 11:06 AM EST
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Buckwheat wrote:
What's Iraqi? The official languages of Iraq are Arabic or Kurdish.



Iraq has been Amerificated.
dstieger Offline
#20 Posted: Mon, Oct 21 2013, 11:18 AM EST
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At least she had a famous pedophile lined up to pinch-hit.
tailgater Offline
#21 Posted: Mon, Oct 21 2013, 2:39 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Bush/Cheney 2004


agreed. decades of dumbness



Looks like TW pulled out the ol' "I know you are, but what am I?" retort.

Applause
Brewha Offline
#22 Posted: Mon, Oct 21 2013, 2:48 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Iraq has been Amerificated.

So now they speak Mexican?
DrafterX Offline
#23 Posted: Mon, Oct 21 2013, 2:51 PM EST
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mostly along the Iraq–Kuwait border.... Mellow
Brewha Offline
#24 Posted: Mon, Oct 21 2013, 5:38 PM EST
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Holy Shiite!
8trackdisco Offline
#25 Posted: Mon, Oct 21 2013, 8:57 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
It begs the question.... just how dumb can liberals in the teachers union people be?


Good question.
victor809 Offline
#26 Posted: Mon, Oct 21 2013, 10:30 PM EST
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Soooo....
Just to throw this out there, but:
1- god doesn't really fit the concept of "hero" very well (hard to be heroic when you're omnipotent... Defeats the concept of personal sacrifice or overcoming challenges)
2- the kid was told ahead of time not to write about god, the article doesn't specify why (perhaps the teacher agrees with my point #1) yet chose to do so anyway.... Essentially violated the instructions in the assignment.

So, why are we outraged?
ZRX1200 Offline
#27 Posted: Mon, Oct 21 2013, 11:51 PM EST
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Free men don't ask for fuqn permission.
victor809 Offline
#28 Posted: Tue, Oct 22 2013, 2:30 PM EST
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Then free men get F's.
tailgater Offline
#29 Posted: Tue, Oct 22 2013, 2:49 PM EST
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But it's OK to consider a drug addicted child molester a hero.
DrafterX Offline
#30 Posted: Tue, Oct 22 2013, 2:49 PM EST
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seems to me this teacher pretty much just hates God and wants her class to do the same..... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#31 Posted: Tue, Oct 22 2013, 3:01 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
But it's OK to consider a drug addicted child molester a hero.



Let's leave the Preists out of this.
victor809 Offline
#32 Posted: Tue, Oct 22 2013, 3:05 PM EST
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An argument could be made that a drug addled child molester has more heroic qualities than a god. That's not a challenging concept.

An omniscient/omnipresent being is kind of the opposite of a hero. Hell, one could make a more cogent argument for Jeffrey Dahmer as a hero.
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#33 Posted: Tue, Oct 22 2013, 3:22 PM EST
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Please Victor, I'm all ears. Let's hear your argument on how Jeffery Dahmnr can be classified as a hero.
tailgater Offline
#34 Posted: Tue, Oct 22 2013, 3:28 PM EST
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BuckyB93 wrote:
Please Victor, I'm all ears. Let's hear your argument on how Jeffery Dahmnr can be classified as a hero.


You don't like fava beans?
ffft ffft fffft
tailgater Offline
#35 Posted: Tue, Oct 22 2013, 3:31 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
An argument could be made that a drug addled child molester has more heroic qualities than a god. That's not a challenging concept.

An omniscient/omnipresent being is kind of the opposite of a hero. Hell, one could make a more cogent argument for Jeffrey Dahmer as a hero.


From Merriam Webster online:
Hero:
a : a mythological or legendary figure often of divine descent endowed with great strength or ability




Sounds like a god to me.
tailgater Offline
#36 Posted: Tue, Oct 22 2013, 3:32 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Let's leave the Preists out of this.


We'll leave the priests out of this, if you leave this out of the priests.
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#37 Posted: Tue, Oct 22 2013, 6:36 PM EST
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Tail....
You left out the first definition... A person who is admired for great or brave acts or fine qualities.

Hell your definition doesn't even fit the christian god.... Please, do tell me which divinity the christian god is descended from?

Any being with omnipotence cannot by definition struggle with anything, overcome any adversity, or perform an act despite personal risk. They don't risk anything, because they are omnipotent. To use the Greek mythology definition of a hero is inaccurate when applied to christianity, since those demigods were not omnipotent or omniscient.... Half the time they weren't even kind of potent.
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#38 Posted: Tue, Oct 22 2013, 6:47 PM EST
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Buck...
Dahmer heroically struggled with alcoholism since the age of 14, graduating from high school and getting accepted to college despite the crippling addiction.

(That's the best I can do without significantly researching him)
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#39 Posted: Tue, Oct 22 2013, 7:42 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Tail....
You left out the first definition... A person who is admired for great or brave acts or fine qualities.

Hell your definition doesn't even fit the christian god.... Please, do tell me which divinity the christian god is descended from?

Any being with omnipotence cannot by definition struggle with anything, overcome any adversity, or perform an act despite personal risk. They don't risk anything, because they are omnipotent. To use the Greek mythology definition of a hero is inaccurate when applied to christianity, since those demigods were not omnipotent or omniscient.... Half the time they weren't even kind of potent.


heretic homo !!!


wheel,
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#40 Posted: Wed, Oct 23 2013, 9:57 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Buck...
Dahmer heroically struggled with alcoholism since the age of 14, graduating from high school and getting accepted to college despite the crippling addiction.

(That's the best I can do without significantly researching him)


Weak
DrafterX Offline
#41 Posted: Wed, Oct 23 2013, 10:01 AM EST
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hell I drank a few beers when I was 14 too... I turned out alright... Mellow
BuckyB93 Offline
#42 Posted: Wed, Oct 23 2013, 10:29 AM EST
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Why did you stop there? If you went on to be a serial killer, rapist, necrophiliac cannibal we could then make an argument that you’re hero worthy.

Poor Drafter, you had so much potential.
tailgater Offline
#43 Posted: Wed, Oct 23 2013, 10:33 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Tail....
You left out the first definition... A person who is admired for great or brave acts or fine qualities.

Hell your definition doesn't even fit the christian god.... Please, do tell me which divinity the christian god is descended from?

Any being with omnipotence cannot by definition struggle with anything, overcome any adversity, or perform an act despite personal risk. They don't risk anything, because they are omnipotent. To use the Greek mythology definition of a hero is inaccurate when applied to christianity, since those demigods were not omnipotent or omniscient.... Half the time they weren't even kind of potent.


So now we're limited to the first definition?

Look, I agree with your premise, but since you're trying to punctuate your point with technical details I feel obligated to call you out because you're technically inaccurate.
DrafterX Offline
#44 Posted: Wed, Oct 23 2013, 10:34 AM EST
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ya... I coulda been a drunk... Sad
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#45 Posted: Wed, Oct 23 2013, 11:25 AM EST
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Tail, you mean technically accurate.

Your second definition can't fit the christian god at all either. Can't be of divine descent if you are defined as being around forever. Hell, "great strength" is even an impossible definition, when the entire concept is meaningless to an omnipotent being. If the kid wanted to write about Jesus, I'd say it would be unreasonable to say no, since that could be done while fitting the parameters of the assignment. But god just doesn't fit.

Buck, I didn't say it'd be great, just that there would be more heroic qualities than the christian god.

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#46 Posted: Wed, Oct 23 2013, 12:30 PM EST
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The OP story is just more Christian propaganda, just like the “War on Christmas” (as though the solstice wasn’t a holiday for thousands of years before Christ). If the student wrote about Allah the story would have never been brought to press.

It is an irony that Christian fundamentalists are forever crying about their religious rights while disregarding others right to be free from Christian beliefs.
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#47 Posted: Wed, Oct 23 2013, 12:57 PM EST
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Well, I heard God created the heavens & earths and filled them with critters and stuff in a week..... Superman couldn't do that.... Not talking Not talking
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#48 Posted: Wed, Oct 23 2013, 12:59 PM EST
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Not a heroic act if you're omnipotent. That's the equivalent of being impressed I can scratch my ass.
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#49 Posted: Wed, Oct 23 2013, 1:12 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Not a heroic act if you're omnipotent.


I don't think the little girl in the OP was... Mellow
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