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DEVELOP OUR OWN OIL AND LET THOSE MANIAC ISLAMIST EAT SAND!!!
victor809 Offline
#51 Posted:
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... The two aren't necessarily related.

Your Chinese colony problem doesn't go away if we start using our own oil. We don't get to pay off the Chinese with that money, because we'd need to fulfill the other strategy (invading army). Otherwise, we become inconsequential goat herders when our oil runs out.

Don't tie the two together because you simply see one as a quick way to slap a band-aid on the other. If you do that you aren't any better than our politicians.
DrafterX Offline
#52 Posted:
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WWAD..??? Think
Abrignac Offline
#53 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
... The two aren't necessarily related.

Your Chinese colony problem doesn't go away if we start using our own oil. We don't get to pay off the Chinese with that money, because we'd need to fulfill the other strategy (invading army). Otherwise, we become inconsequential goat herders when our oil runs out.

Don't tie the two together because you simply see one as a quick way to slap a band-aid on the other. If you do that you aren't any better than our politicians.


Perhaps, I wasn't clear. Unless our "leaders" switch course and legislate with an eye towards strengthening our financial standing, we will have little ability to control anything by the time the Saudi's run out of oil.

The more our domestic debt is financed by foreign interest, the more we loose control of said debt. He who controls the $$$ controls the government.

Suppose at some point a holder of said debt decides he wants to make a point. Debt holder could dump an amount of that debt on the open market thereby creating a surplus and driving down offer price. Debtor would then have to issue even more debt to maintain cash flow. Debt holder then purchases more debt at an even lower price point further tighten it grip on the debtor's testicles.

It seems that at the moment the Chinese have the biggest set of pliers.
DrafterX Offline
#54 Posted:
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Debt holder would get bombed..... Mellow
Abrignac Offline
#55 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
Debt holder would get bombed..... Mellow


There ya go. Solves that global warming issue as well.
ZRX1200 Offline
#56 Posted:
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Bomb the Federal Reserve?
victor809 Offline
#57 Posted:
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Abrignac...
My point is that the discussion over who is going to own us financially isn't directly related to our strategic use of oil.

True, if we are fully owned by another country in 2030 the entire question of oil becomes moot. But we shouldn't be making strategic decisions around the premise that the us isn't a sovereign country in the near future. That is by definition planning to fail.

Unless using the us reserves of oil has a significant impact on our ability to survive through the next 25 years (and I mean significant... Not "nets us a bit of money which is then blown immediately before servicing any debt") then the strategy surrounding its use shouldn't be impacted by the us financial solvency.
Abrignac Offline
#58 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
Abrignac...
My point is that the discussion over who is going to own us financially isn't directly related to our strategic use of oil.

True, if we are fully owned by another country in 2030 the entire question of oil becomes moot. But we shouldn't be making strategic decisions around the premise that the us isn't a sovereign country in the near future. That is by definition planning to fail.

Unless using the us reserves of oil has a significant impact on our ability to survive through the next 25 years (and I mean significant... Not "nets us a bit of money which is then blown immediately before servicing any debt") then the strategy surrounding its use shouldn't be impacted by the us financial solvency.


I agree with your point about using theirs before ours as a strategy giving us the ability to use our own at a later date when strategically optimal to do so.

But that's not the what I was referring to in my original post on this thread. My original post was made from the stand point that if we don't make some serious changes, then the location of the oil reserves aren't going to matter as much at that point in time when the Saudi's run out.
victor809 Offline
#59 Posted:
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Fair enough... But that would be resolved by not letting douchenozzles spend all our money....
Abrignac Offline
#60 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
Fair enough... But that would be resolved by not letting douchenozzles spend all our money....


Short of actually shrinking government, I don't see this happening. To shrink government would require relinquishing power. Good luck with that on.

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#61 Posted:
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well, won't we lose like 2,000 czars and assistants when obama leaves office..?? Huh
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