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Hawaii lawmaker pounded for taking sledgehammer to homelessness
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edin508 Offline
#1 Posted: Sat, Nov 23 2013, 7:30 PM EST
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My opinion..
That guy is an azz! Period!
Lets take the few items these homeless people have and smash them to bits so they have nothing. Does he think ALL homeless people are that way by choice? I would bet most of them have some sort of mental/physical disability that is hurting their chance of getting a job in the first place. 4.4% unemployment rate, or over 16k people are out of work there. And to afford a plane ticket off the island isn't an option for these people that don't have any cash to begin with.


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/11/20/hawaii-lawmaker-hammered-for-taking-sledge-to-homelessness/
bloody spaniard Offline
#2 Posted: Sat, Nov 23 2013, 8:39 PM EST
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Instead of hoisting a sledgehammer to destroy, perhaps he should consider a hammer and nails to get rid of all that built up frustration.Think
Abrignac Offline
#3 Posted: Sat, Nov 23 2013, 10:43 PM EST
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What a putz.

Oh and kudos to the nimrods who even floated an idea to buy them a one-way ticket to the mainland.
cacman Offline
#4 Posted: Sun, Nov 24 2013, 9:21 AM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
Oh and kudos to the nimrods who even floated an idea to buy them a one-way ticket to the mainland.

What State do you live in??? Let's make sure all the Hawaiian homeless are shipped to your State so you can deal with them. Shipping them to the mainland only puts the problem on someone else, and is not a solution.

There's no easy answer. Many homeless don't want intervention. Many suffer from mental illness. It's a big problem across the US.
HockeyDad Offline
#5 Posted: Sun, Nov 24 2013, 10:27 AM EST
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cacman wrote:
Shipping them to the mainland only puts the problem on someone else, and is not a solution.


Well it solves it for Hawaii!
victor809 Offline
#6 Posted: Sun, Nov 24 2013, 3:02 PM EST
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Funny... I wanted to ship the lawmaker here to SF so he could do the same thing here. This place is lousy with them.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#7 Posted: Mon, Nov 25 2013, 11:37 AM EST
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I bet he already saw "Thor 2"!Frying pan
dstieger Offline
#8 Posted: Mon, Nov 25 2013, 11:51 AM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
What a putz.

Oh and kudos to the nimrods who even floated an idea to buy them a one-way ticket to the mainland.



I don't remember the details, but I thought it made a lot of sense. I'm surprised that they say it wasn't financially viable. I think it has to be cheaper than the long-term sustainment costs. IIRC, they were only going to ship people to families stateside. Sounded sensible to me. I don't think they planned to just randomly put them in a conex box and ship them to Mississippi. Although, that sorta makes sense, too.
DrafterX Offline
#9 Posted: Mon, Nov 25 2013, 12:10 PM EST
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a steerage ticket can't cost too much.... Think
HockeyDad Offline
#10 Posted: Mon, Nov 25 2013, 12:46 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Funny... I wanted to ship the lawmaker here to SF so he could do the same thing here. This place is lousy with them.



Global cooling will push them south to LA and San Diego
Buckwheat Offline
#11 Posted: Mon, Nov 25 2013, 12:57 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Funny... I wanted to ship the lawmaker here to SF so he could do the same thing here. This place is lousy with them.



Every place is lousy with lawmakers. ram27bat
Abrignac Offline
#12 Posted: Mon, Nov 25 2013, 7:44 PM EST
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cacman wrote:
What State do you live in??? Let's make sure all the Hawaiian homeless are shipped to your State so you can deal with them. Shipping them to the mainland only puts the problem on someone else, and is not a solution.

There's no easy answer. Many homeless don't want intervention. Many suffer from mental illness. It's a big problem across the US.


I'm guessing I should have included the sarcasm smiley. As the farther of a disabled adult child I can assure I'm in no way in favor of shipping any one any where. Unfortunately, all too many people are homeless for reasons that IMHO are nothing if not cruel. I have lost many hours of sleep wondering who will take care of my child when my wife and I are no longer walking this planet because she will never be able to take care of herself.
frankj1 Offline
#13 Posted: Mon, Nov 25 2013, 10:00 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
I'm guessing I should have included the sarcasm smiley. As the farther of a disabled adult child I can assure I'm in no way in favor of shipping any one any where. Unfortunately, all too many people are homeless for reasons that IMHO are nothing if not cruel. I have lost many hours of sleep wondering who will take care of my child when my wife and I are no longer walking this planet because she will never be able to take care of herself.

well there it is for all to hopefully understand. I applaud you.

It's a popular sport and oh so easy to blame the victim. Of course there are a number of "those who won't" that we all have been supporting and should not. But the homeless and others "on the dole" are made up of a vast majority of those who can not. During a financial crisis some years ago, State Hospital aid (at least here in MA) was severed from budgets and thousands of those who sadly can not were released to the streets.

If only most of them had relatives like you, the hit on society would have been lessened, but that is not reality. One would hope that at this point in time, we would have evolved to the point where someone like you would be able to get a good night's sleep every night.
frankj1 Offline
#14 Posted: Mon, Nov 25 2013, 10:12 PM EST
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cacman wrote:
What State do you live in??? Let's make sure all the Hawaiian homeless are shipped to your State so you can deal with them. Shipping them to the mainland only puts the problem on someone else, and is not a solution.

There's no easy answer. Many homeless don't want intervention. Many suffer from mental illness. It's a big problem across the US.

I hope my response above did not sound like an attack on your position, it clearly was not.
victor809 Offline
#15 Posted: Mon, Nov 25 2013, 10:43 PM EST
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Here they like to smoke a lot of pot and crack on the street. I'm not sure what disability that counts as, but it seems to be the predominant one.

On an average day, over the 2 blocks I walk home in the evening there are 2 homeless people smoking crack pipes in the open on the sidewalk.
Every morning and evening there is an entire 2 block length of people lined up to get some sort of free meal.
There is consistently daily discarded food containers, cardboard boxes (they sleep on them), and human feces in the street on my walk home.

And this is the city with the most supportive "safety net". Clearly that does not work.
frankj1 Offline
#16 Posted: Mon, Nov 25 2013, 11:06 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Here they like to smoke a lot of pot and crack on the street. I'm not sure what disability that counts as, but it seems to be the predominant one.

On an average day, over the 2 blocks I walk home in the evening there are 2 homeless people smoking crack pipes in the open on the sidewalk.
Every morning and evening there is an entire 2 block length of people lined up to get some sort of free meal.
There is consistently daily discarded food containers, cardboard boxes (they sleep on them), and human feces in the street on my walk home.

And this is the city with the most supportive "safety net". Clearly that does not work.

most people's interpretation of the world is limited to their immediate surroundings, but I know that you know better.
bloody spaniard Offline
#17 Posted: Tue, Nov 26 2013, 2:57 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Funny... I wanted to ship the lawmaker here to SF so he could do the same thing here. This place is lousy with them.

That's not fair! Queers got a right to live there if they want! Who's he to bust up their property?!
Besides, push come to shove, some could lick him fair & square!
victor809 Offline
#18 Posted: Tue, Nov 26 2013, 5:00 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
most people's interpretation of the world is limited to their immediate surroundings, but I know that you know better.


True, I'll take back the blanket statement that the safety net doesn't work. I don't have enough data to say that.

I will stand by the statement that providing homeless people with housing, free food and free money does not seem to work by any metric I can imagine, and it has an added benefit of turning the city into the human equivalent of a rat-burrow.
victor809 Offline
#19 Posted: Tue, Nov 26 2013, 5:00 PM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
That's not fair! Queers got a right to live there if they want! Who's he to bust up their property?!
Besides, push come to shove, some could lick him fair & square!


Stolen property... unless these homeless people own a grocery store.
edin508 Offline
#20 Posted: Tue, Nov 26 2013, 5:31 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Stolen property... unless these homeless people own a grocery store.

He is not dumping the carriages and bringing them back to the stores they came from now is he? He is smashing them.
victor809 Offline
#21 Posted: Tue, Nov 26 2013, 8:16 PM EST
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But he's not smashing their property...
wheelrite Offline
#22 Posted: Tue, Nov 26 2013, 9:04 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:


I pay homeless dudes for sex.



oh my,,,

wheel,
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