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ZRX1200 Offline
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Mama Grizzly was right

Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin was laughed out of town for making four years ago what we now know is a prescient prediction. Perhaps she is one of the few who actually read the health care bill before it passed.

“And who will suffer the most when they ration care? The sick, the elderly, and the disabled, of course,” she wrote on her Facebook page in 2009.

“The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s ‘death panel’ so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their ‘level of productivity in society,’ whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.”

President Obama and his blind supporters who were busy not reading the bill howled in protest, calling Mrs. Palin an irresponsible liar unworthy of the public political stage.

The media’s alleged keeper of the truth PolitiFact declared her assertion the “Lie of the Year.” FactCheck.org, another alleged “truth” panel, summarily dismissed the claim as a “whopper.”

Now comes cancer survivor Edie Littlefield Sundby.

The ravages of Obamacare have not even set in yet and already she has been given what quite possibly will amount to a death sentence.

“For almost seven years I have fought and survived stage-4 gallbladder cancer, with a five-year survival rate of less than 2% after diagnosis,” she writes in an op-ed for The Wall Street Journal.

“I am a determined fighter and extremely lucky. But this luck may have just run out: My affordable, lifesaving medical insurance policy has been canceled effective Dec. 31.”

Now, for most people, knowing that a law you had engineered, rammed through Congress and crammed down the gagging throats of Americans everywhere had just destroyed the strategy meticulously laid out by doctors to keep a cancer patient alive long past her natural death date might cause a twinge of guilt.

Some of us might fall to our knees and beg for merciful forgiveness from God. Might even be convinced that as well-intended as we were, we turned out to be completely wrong. Indeed, a massive panel of bureaucrats cannot take over one-sixth of the nation’s economy and properly dispense medical care.

But admitting error or feeling guilt would require you to have an actual soul and be capable of shame or self-analysis. Such small weaknesses do not hinder the folks in this White House.

Dan Pfeiffer, who apparently has no soul, does have a Twitter account. He used it to dismiss Mrs. Sundby’s concerns about Obamacare and instead blamed the cancellation of her policy on her longtime insurance company — a company that has shelled out $1.2 million to keep Mrs. Sundby alive.

“United Healthcare dropped her coverage because they’ve struggled to compete in California’s individual health care market for years and didn’t want to pay for sicker patients like Sundby,” according to Mr. Pfeiffer’s tweet.

In other words: Sorry, Edie, but this is competition and if you fall behind, you die. It’s just how death panels work.

• Charles Hurt can be reached at [email protected] or on Twitter at @charleshurt
Abrignac Offline
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The sad thing is they'll continue drinking the Kool-Aid right to the end. Kinda like standing on a train track looking towards an out of control locomotive with your hand raised in the stop position. Of course Brewha and Rick will be along shortly for a "ration" of name calling.
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But neither of you gave any thought to United Healthcare, who suffered over the past 7 years, shelling out over $1.2 million. That poor company probably collected less than $15k from this woman over all that time.

Remember, corporations are people too.
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Just like Edie struggled against cancer, United Healthcare struggled in a competitive California insurance market. The ACA has saved one of the two people. Without it, they would have both died eventually...
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Victor it's hard to flip pancakes while laughing azzhole!
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Victor it's hard to flip pancakes while laughing azzhole!


Trying to have a little fun. :)
Abrignac Offline
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victor809 wrote:
But neither of you gave any thought to United Healthcare, who suffered over the past 7 years, shelling out over $1.2 million. That poor company probably collected less than $15k from this woman over all that time.

Remember, corporations are people too.


I'm sure that $1.5M wasn't much of a burden considering the fact that United Healthcare paid over $1B in dividends to stockholders over the past year.

Abrignac Offline
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victor809 wrote:
Just like Edie struggled against cancer, United Healthcare struggled in a competitive California insurance market. The ACA has saved one of the two people. Without it, they would have both died eventually...



Thanks Victor, you've solved the whole healthcare problem. Since we are all going to die, why should anyone have healthcare? While we are at it, we can save more money by closing all the hospitals for the same reason.

Applause Applause Applause
cacman Offline
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It's expensive to die healthy in America.
Some can afford it, some can't.
I can't afford caviar…
dkeage Offline
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cacman wrote:
It's expensive to die healthy in America.
Some can afford it, some can't.
I can't afford caviar…

Maybe if you bought fewer cigars? Think
ZRX1200 Offline
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Palin gives Rick an erection.
MACS Offline
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Yeah... she does that to me too. I mean, c'mon, the lady is pretty hot.
jackconrad Offline
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You Betcha !^^
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ThumpUp
MACS wrote:
Yeah... she does that to me too. I mean, c'mon, the lady is pretty hot.

DadZilla3 Offline
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MACS wrote:
Yeah... she does that to me too. I mean, c'mon, the lady is pretty hot.

She's hot, and she's handy with guns. Win-win. ThumpUp ThumpUp
victor809 Offline
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Dude...
If you guys are going to fantasize about having sex with a woman who will never touch your d!ck, at least fantasize about a hotter one.

Or at least something kinky/weird.... German Chancellor or something.
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Abrignac wrote:
I'm sure that $1.5M wasn't much of a burden considering the fact that United Healthcare paid over $1B in dividends to stockholders over the past year.




What... are you suggesting the stockholders take a dividends hit just so some cancer chick will get treatment which United Healthcare is not contractually obligated to provide?

WTF, are you some sort of communist?
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victor809 wrote:
What... are you suggesting the stockholders take a dividends hit just so some cancer chick will get treatment which United Healthcare is not contractually obligated to provide?

WTF, are you some sort of communist?



Nope. Not at all.

Just saying it doesn't matter how much she paid for the benies as long as she paid as agreed for services agreed to. At the end of the day, she once had coverage that now she is without even though she along with the rest of us were promised this would never happen.

As I've said earlier, much better reform could have been had with much less disruption.

When it comes to insurance, I would much rather pay premiums to a company that will return the profit to me instead of stockholders as long as its an apples to apples comparison.
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So, I looked into it a bit and it appears that United Healthcare chose to leave the CA market completely. If they did this because of the ACA or because they weren't doing well in that market (possibly because they were paying too much out?) Isn't known.

Either way, the law apparently allows for an insurance company to leave a market completely. They followed the law....and made a profit. Win win!
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victor809 wrote:
So, I looked into it a bit and it appears that United Healthcare chose to leave the CA market completely. If they did this because of the ACA or because they weren't doing well in that market (possibly because they were paying too much out?) Isn't known.

Either way, the law apparently allows for an insurance company to leave a market completely. They followed the law....and made a profit. Win win!



Health insurance is for all intents and purposes a commodity market. It's all about finding the best price for a set of benefits. The company(s) that succeed will be the ones who can consistently deliver the best set of options at the lowest price.

But, here's the catch. Apparently, United Healthcare was unable or unwilling to drop her coverage before Obamacare. Its been cited that due to the passage they left the market. Perhaps they would left the market anyway. The problem is we will never know.
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MACS

her dtr is hot, sarah is yeserdays mashed potatoes.

you are starting to think like a middle aged man.

she doesnt read a newspaper and couldn't make change for a five,

would get past the first paragraph in the affordable health care act?

be carefull, i think you just closed your fly too soon, you still had more to go.
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victor809 wrote:
Dude...
If you guys are going to fantasize about having sex with a woman who will never touch your d!ck, at least fantasize about a hotter one.

Or at least something kinky/weird.... German Chancellor or something.

How about Sarah Palin dressed as a German Chancellor? Think
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DadZilla3 wrote:
How about Sarah Palin dressed as a German Chancellor? Think


Sara Palin in a Crotchless Lederhosen ?


Think
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Sara reminds me of a spunky, outdoorsy, part Inuit gal who sells lots of ice cubes to Eskimos and can leg choke a moose.
Princesses Boxer, Pelosi, and Feinstein store their privates 'n brainz in mothballs until needed.


Wonder why we can't have a Thatcher?Think
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Sara reminds me of a spunky, outdoorsy, part Inuit gal who sells lots of ice cubes to Eskimos and can leg choke a moose.
Princesses Boxer, Pelosi, and Feinstein store their privates 'n brainz in mothballs until needed.


Wonder why we can't have a Thatcher?Think

birth certificate issues...
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Wonder why we can't have a Thatcher?Think



You have been weighed…you have been measured…you have been found wanting!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdWO9ozir1Y
bloody spaniard Offline
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Seems to me all we have here are soccer moms and poser feminists.

RIP Margaret, Golda, & Indira (especially the first two).
wheelrite Offline
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Seems to me all we have here are soccer moms and poser feminists.

RIP Margaret, Golda, & Indira (especially the first two).





I loved Goldie Hawn back when she was hot,,,

just saying,,

wheel,
ZRX1200 Offline
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Rowin and Martins Laugh in?




Damn you're old Bill!
wheelrite Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Rowin and Martins Laugh in?




Damn you're old Bill!


I was in kindergarten then,,,,

I was referring to the 1980s...

d'oh!
jackconrad Offline
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Sock It Too Me !
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