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Undercover police practice ofsex with prostitutes comes under fire By Brenton Awa Published On: Mar 20 2014 10:29:00 PM HST

Hawaii law currently allows undercover police officers to have sex with prostitutes as part of an investigation. That provision of the law is coming under fire.

Click here for Brenton Awa's report.

"Law of the land right now without that specific exclusion allows police to use sexual penetration," said Kathryn Xian, executive director of the Pacific Alliance to Stop Slavery.

The exclusion Xian is referring to was removed from the bill that would have stopped undercover officers from legally being able to have sex with prostitutes during investigations.

Getting that line reinstated in the bill is what supporters hope to do Friday but Honolulu Police say that not being able to have sexual penetration with a suspected prostitute would limit the type of violations its officers could enforce.

"The original H.B. 1926 would have nullified the existing exemption, preventing officers from enforcing prostitution laws," said the Honolulu Police Department in a written statement.

At a House committee meeting in February, HPD further explained why undercover cops need the exemption.

"As it is, we are already subject to 'cop checking' where prostitution subjects do certain acts or attempt to do certain acts to determine whether the person is an undercover officer," said Major Jerry Inouye, Honolulu Police Department Narcotics/Vice.

Xian doesn't believe HPD's claim and says none of the former prostitutes she's helped has ever "cop checked."

"We've had one survivor who was a victim of misconduct and she was in prostitution for seven years and not once did she ever cop check," said Xian.

Bill supporters emphasize how other states manage to prosecute prostitutes at a high rate without letting law enforcement use sexual penetration during their investigations.

"We feel that the reason why this law is on the law books is because of age old, very archaic beliefs about prostitution being a victimless crime and there are no victims in prostitution," said Xian.

The bill has already passed through the House with amendments. It's passed first reading in the Senate and is now headed to a public hearing scheduled for 10 a.m. Friday at the State Capitol.
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Jamie you do realize most pro's are drag queens in Hawaii
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kombat96 wrote:
Jamie you do realize most pro's are drag queens in Hawaii


He is probably throwing up right now.
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kombat96 wrote:
Jamie you do realize most pro's are drag queens in Hawaii


'Cause you know that first hand? (...pun intended...)
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Palama wrote:
'Cause you know that first hand? (...pun intended...)

Come on..lol

Ive seen the documentary
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If she can take a shocker I ain't going to rock her.
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haha shocker ftw
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I heard today...Im enroute
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I'll let my friends at HPD know so they can keep an eye out for your application.
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WoooHooo
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05busa wrote:
WoooHooo


For you I'd talk to the two captains I know...the Chief also went to the same hs as me so you'd be a shoo-in. Better get more blue gloves.
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Conan, first clarify if they are applying to be cops or ...!!!
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frankj1 wrote:
Conan, first clarify if they are applying to be cops or ...!!!


That's right, I don't know anyone in the Maintainence Dept....
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now THAT'S funny.
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05busa wrote:
I heard today...Im enroute

You would have to change your name to Busa 5-0
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UPDATE :

Hawaii Cops Give Up on Sex With Hookers, Settle for Handjobs and Blowjobs

Mar. 26, 2014 6:30 pm

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Jacob Sullum

Hawaii cops have reached an agreement with state legislators that will limit the exemption that allows them to have sex with prostitutes. Police originally insisted on an open-ended license to fornicate, but now they are willing to settle for petting, handjobs, blowjobs, and other activities that fall short of penetration.

Hawaii's current prostitution law includes a blanket exemption for law enforcement officers "acting in the course and scope of duties." That covers both agreeing to pay for sex and actually having sex. As you may recall, some members of the state House of Representatives, who apparently were surprised to discover this exemption existed, wanted to remove "sexual penetration or sadomasochistic abuse" from the list of things cops are allowed to do with prostitutes. Police objected, saying that change would put a damper on their work, and the bill that the House ultimately passed left the exemption alone. But news of the nixed amendment generated enough outrage that police are now willing to compromise.

Yesterday state Sen. Clayton Hee, who chairs the Senate Judiciary and Labor Committee, told KHON, the Fox station in Honolulu, that the Honolulu Police Department (HPD) "agrees that the sexual penetration language in the law that they are exempt from should no longer be an exemption for police officers." HPD Maj. Jerry Inouye told the station that the department "has never allowed police officers to have sex with prostitutes and that HPD only wanted to keep 'the part that allows an officer to make a verbal agreement for sex for money because that's the crux for most prostitution investigations.'" But that is not what Jason Kawabata, captain of the HPD's Narcotics/Vice Division, told the House Judiciary Committee last month (emphasis added):

As written, this bill would nullify the exemption if the officer agrees to pay a fee for sexual penetration or sadomasochistic abuse. This would limit the type of violations law enforcement officers are able to enforce. Even if the intent of the amendment is merely to limit actual conduct by the officer, we must oppose it. Codifying the limitations on an officer‘s conduct would greatly assist pimps and prostitutes in their efforts to avoid prosecution.

Yes, Kawabata wanted to make sure it was legal for officers to promise money for sex, including penetration. But he also wanted to preserve the exemption for actually having sex with hookers, even though Inouye insists that has never been allowed, because "codifying the limitations on an officer's conduct would greatly assist pimps and prostitutes in their efforts to avoid prosecution." As I said last week, that argument does not make a lot of sense, since it depends on a scenario in which a prostitute has sex with her customer to make sure he's not a cop before striking a deal. In any case, if police regulations are as strict as Inouye claims, knowledge of them would have the same effect on the behavior of pimps and prostitutes as knowledge of a statutory restriction would.

Apparently that has occurred to the SPD, which decided not to send any representatives to a Senate hearing on the prostitution bill last Friday. Inouye explained that the first rule of the department's policy regarding sex with hookers is not to talk about the department's policy regarding sex with hookers:

Maj. Inouye also addressed the department's absence at last Friday's hearing, saying they have to be very careful about what they say publicly about policies when it comes to their undercover investigations. "We felt at that point, if I went to the hearing, I might be subjected to questions about our undercover polices that I might not be able to answer," he said.

Kawabata and Inouye talk about their work as if they are catching terrorists and dare not tip them off about police methods because lives hang in the balance. But in reality, cops enforcing prostitution laws are not protecting the public from dangerous predators; they are trying to stop consenting adults from exchanging sex for money. There is nothing noble or worthwhile about that work, and it surely does not deserve the sort of deference the state House showed when it unanimously agreed that police need the leeway to have sex with prostitutes so they can stop people from having sex with prostitutes.
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^^^ Yeah, I didn't know how to break the news to Busa...this way is much better...straight hit into the gut. Poor mall cop....I bet he was so looking forward to the promotion.
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