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Arab Spring Part Two
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The 4 Deeper Truths about Benghazi and Libya



Democrats and Republicans have very different views about Benghazi, Libya.

Republicans say the Obama administration is to blame for the death of Ambassador Stevens – and have created a special committee to investigate Benghazi – while Democrats by and large say that the is nothing but politics.

The truth is bigger than either side is admitting …

First, Pulitzer prize winning reporter Seymour Hersh – who broke the story of the Mai Lai massacre in Vietnam under Nixon and the torture scandal under Bush – says that Benghazi was really a CIA outpost for running weapons capture from Libya after Gaddaffi was overthrown into Syria … approved on a bipartisan basis by both Democrats and Republicans.

Second, it has been confirmed that the U.S. backed Al Qaeda terrorists in Libya so that they would overthrow Gaddaffi.

Third, as we noted right after Gaddaffi fell, the Obama administration’s stated reason for going into Libya makes no sense. Now, RAND Corporation political scientists theorize that Obama might have decided to bomb Libya – not for any reason having to do with Libya or Gaddaffi themselves – but rather “to keep the Arab Spring going“.

The U.S. ousted Gaddaffi and then left, and Libya has now descended into chaos.

The Washington Post argues that America fighting the Libyan war is a bigger scandal than Benghazi itself:

Republicans have a potentially strong case to make against the Obama administration’s handling of Libya, as the latest political developments there underline. On Sunday, a disputed vote in parliament led to the swearing-in of a new prime minister — the sixth since former dictator Moammar Gaddafi was overthrown in 2011 with the help of U.S. and NATO air forces. The new leader, an Islamist from the city of Misurata, replaced pro-Western prime minister Ali Zeidan, who was driven out of the country this year after his government proved unable to stop a militia from filling a tanker with stolen oil.

From the safety of Europe, Mr. Zeidan conceded what was obvious all along: Libya’s post-Gaddafi government has no army and no way of establishing its authority over the hundreds of militias that sprang up in the vacuum that followed the revolution. Libya has fragmented into fiefdoms, its oil industry is virtually paralyzed, massive traffic in illegal weapons is supplying militants around the region and extremist groups such as Ansar al-Sharia, which participated in the Sept. 11, 2012, assault on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, are unchecked.

The Obama administration and its NATO allies bear responsibility for this mess because, having intervened to help rebels overthrow Gaddafi, they then swiftly exited without making a serious effort to help Libyans establish security and build a new political order. Congress might usefully probe why the administration allowed a country in which it initiated military operations to slide into chaos.

Fourth, the Libya war – just like the Iraq war – was illegal, as noted in the New York Times, Washington Post, Huffington Post, Washington Times, Guardian, Salon, and elsewhere.

Those are four the deeper stories about Benghazi and Libya which neither the mainstream Democrats or Republicans want you to know about.


http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2014-05-07/4-deeper-truths-about-benghazi-and-libya



Aye, but I like it too!
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"And the band played on.
So, round and around and around we go.
Where the world's headed, nobody knows.
Oh, great googalooga, can't you hear me talking to you.
Just a ball of confusion.
Oh yeah, that's what the world is today."


Beer
dstieger Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
The 4 Deeper Truths about Benghazi and Libya



Republicans have a potentially strong case to make against the Obama administration’s handling of Libya,





And, they will insist on shoving it down the peoples' throats in the hopes that it might derail Hilary's charge back into the White House. In the end, it will turn more people off as those same people keep asking just what is it the Republicans stand for? They got the 'stand against' part down cold. I've never voted Democrat in a national election, but, ****!!!, I'm getting sick and tired of an awful lot of Republicans and their mouthpieces.
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dstieger wrote:
And, they will insist on shoving it down the peoples' throats in the hopes that it might derail Hilary's charge back into the White House. In the end, it will turn more people off as those same people keep asking just what is it the Republicans stand for? They got the 'stand against' part down cold. I've never voted Democrat in a national election, but, ****!!!, I'm getting sick and tired of an awful lot of Republicans and their mouthpieces.



I don't get caught up in the entire R vs D on this matter. I don't believe anyone should either. That's putting blinders on an issue that should see the light of day. We have an administration running guns all over the planet and they got caught. 4 people died, one of them just happened to be a US ambassador. Sorry, but that's serious to me and not political. Let the chips fall where they have to.

You have to vote for whomever you feel you have to. It's your right and you should use it.
teedubbya Offline
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Tyler Durden LOL
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equally biased admittedly but an interesting read from rational wiki

Zero Hedge[1] is a bat**** insane Austrian economics-based finance blog run by a pseudonymous founder who posts articles under the name "Tyler Durden," after Chuck Palahniuk's Fight Club personality.

Tyler claims to be a "believer in a sweeping conspiracy that casts the alumni of Goldman Sachs as a powerful cabal at the helm of U.S. policy, with the Treasury and the Federal Reserve colluding to preserve the status quo." While this is not an entirely unreasonable statement of the problem, his solution actually mirrors the anatagonist in Fight Club in that Tyler wants, per Austrian school ideas, to lead a catastrophic market crash in order to destroy banking institutions and bring back "real" free market capitalism.[2]

The site posts nearly indecipherable analyses of multiple seemingly unrelated subjects to point towards a consistent theme of economic collapse any day now, and has accurately predicted 200 of the last 2 recessions. Tyler seems to repeat The Economic Collapse Blog's idea of posting blog articles many times a day and encouraging people to post it as far and wide as humanly possible. Tyler moves away from the format of long lists to write insanely dense volumes[3] filled with (often contradicting) jargon that makes one wonder if the writers even know what the words actually mean.[4] The site first appeared in early 2009, meaning that (given Tyler's habit of taking a **** on each and every positive data point), anyone listening to him from the beginning missed the entire 2009-2013 rally in the equities market.

The only writer conclusively identified is Dan Ivandjiiski, who conducts public interviews on behalf of Zero Hedge.[5] The blog came online several days after he lost his job at Wexford Capital, a Connecticut-based hedge fund (run by a former Goldman trader).

Zero Hedge is not quite the NaturalNews of economics, but not for want of trying.

Actually doing some good

Zero Hedge came to public notoriety when it brought to light the number of high frequency computer trades (flash trades) conducted by Goldman Sachs in Tyler's more condensed and coherent analyses. Goldman Sachs used this data as a form of arbitrage to make a profit off penny differences in bid/ask prices. This was picked up by Bloomberg for a piece called "Goldman Sachs Loses Grip on Its Doomsday Machine" by Jonathan Weil.[6] This caused the SEC to change weekly financial reporting, and propose to ban flash trading all together.

With Zero Hedge receiving more attention from the mainstream media, Matt Taibbi decided to interview and publish the resulting story about Goldman Sachs in Rolling Stone.[7][8] There he snarkily states that Goldman is controlling and manipulating everything in order to make money:




“”From tech stocks to high gas prices, Goldman Sachs has engineered every major market manipulation since the Great Depression -- and they're about to do it again.



—Matt Taibbi


Zero Hedge later earned what started as a severe mocking by CNBC analyst Dennis Kneale,[9][10] and turned into a mocking rant by Kneale "calling top indie finance blogs such as Zero Hedge a bunch of idiots who live in their mothers’ basements" when Zero Hedge refused to show up. Zero Hedge championed it as an absolute victory, including a temporary drop in CNBC's viewership[11] and forcing Kneale out of CNBC Kneale accepting a position at Fox Business.[12]

[edit] Accusations of plagiarism

Tyler has a habit of taking other people's research, sometimes adding a slant to it of economic doom if it isn't there already, and posting it on Zero Hedge.[13] This included a series of reports leaked from Merrill Lynch's chief economist David Rosenberg.[14] Lawyers were sent with takedown notices, and were not moved by his claims of censorship about publishing their copyrighted documents. Morgan Stanley had the same issue later, and is considering legal action in addition to demanding the material be taken down.[15]

[edit] About the author

Ivandjiiski's history is a little odd, since he moved to the United States from Bulgaria to study at the University of Pennsylvania in order to pursue molecular biology (then go on to med school). Instead he took a job as a junior investment banker at Jefferies & Company in Los Angeles, and continued in finance. It is interesting to note that in 2005, while working for Miller Buckfire, he was barred from working in the broker-dealer business due to insider trading amounting to $780.

Dan denies that he founded the site, but he claims no other profession and to be the primary author of a number of the articles. He claims he writes with a staff of up to 40 other writers that work for Zero Hedge. However, secrecy is paramount in case "They" find out.

"Creative" journalism is apparently not out of place in the Ivandjiiski family either. His father Krassimir Ivandjiiski runs a cranky tabloid called Bulgaria Confidential; it received brief notoriety in the US after publishing a story about massive drug trafficking and corruption in Montana, picked up by an independent US rag Free Speech Newspaper.[16] There Krassimir and Free Speech claimed that the governor was an alcoholic drug abuser that helped turn his state into one of the pits of drug trafficking in the US.[17] The governor fired off complaints about slander, while many wondered why a state hundreds of miles from any major population center and one small highway[18] could have more drug runners than the West Coast.[19]

[edit] Allegations of "pump and dump" involvement

Ironically, Zero Hedge has itself been accused of some of the manipulation it claims to expose. A company called Noble Investments Limited claims that a financial consultant paid Zero Hedge and a nut from Forbes to write a defamatory blog post about the company, which he then linked to immediately.


“”Accordingly, just fourteen minutes after the Dalrymple GFC Reptort was published on zerohedge.com, Weinberg published a fully formed blog entry, including pictures, in which he summarized and quoted from the report, and provided readers a link to Ivandjiiski’s blog entry on zerohedge.com where they could download the report. Weinberg did not acknowledge that zerohedge.com had “broken” the story fourteen minutes earlier or state anywhere in the blog that the link from which readers were invited to download the report pointed to Ivandjiiski’s blog entry on zerohedge.com.[20]


The law firm behind the suit describes Zero Hedge as "a portal for people to anonymously distribute derogatory information concerning public companies," giving the impression that Zero Hedge may well have arranged many such pay-to-defame schemes.
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teedubbya wrote:
Tyler Durden LOL



I'd LOVE to shake the hand of the guy using that moniker from Zero Hedge.

I've been an avid reader of that website for years and wherever he's getting the info and the manner he presents it...he BRINGS it. His ability to sew it all together is what compels me to the site. He's (IDK maybe it's a she?) more plugged into the financial sector but there's no limit to the topics where I just nod my head in almost total agreement.

One can laugh all they want at whatever moniker somebody uses, but the content is the content is the content!
teedubbya Offline
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sounds like the area 51 of finance LOL
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"has accurately predicted 200 of the last 2 recessions"

hehehe
teedubbya Offline
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victor809 wrote:
"has accurately predicted 200 of the last 2 recessions"

hehehe



that was one of my favorite lines too


teedubbya Offline
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speaking of transparancy - from reuters

Disaggregating Zero Hedge


By Felix Salmon


I first heard the name Daniel Ivandjiiski associated with Zero Hedge in March of this year, before the blog really took off. I do believe that he’s just one of many contributors who use the pseudonym “Tyler Durden”, but he’s the only one I’ve ever heard identified, and I think he’s been there for quite a while. He has reportedly said that he’s just a contributor, not a founder, but I’m not sure that distinction really means very much.

Does it matter that Ivandjiiski was barred from the securities industry for insider trading? In most cases, no, but in some cases, yes.

In any case, it’s now time that “Tyler Durden” disaggregate himself, so that it’s more transparent which blog entries were written by the same person. I used to pay more attention to Zero Hedge than I do now, because I found a few posts which I considered to be so wild that I felt I could no longer trust much of what I read there. If it were clearer which “Tyler Durden” wrote those particular posts, I’d pay much more attention to the other “Tyler Durden” posts. And that’s good for everyone.
teedubbya Offline
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lol the dude got busted for insider trading and only made $780



FINRA Bars Two Registered Representatives for Insider Trading

Washington, D.C. — The Financial Industry Regulatory Authority (FINRA) today announced that two former registered representatives, Peter D. Kelly and Daniel K. Ivandjiiski, have been barred from the securities industry for insider trading.

"Insider trading is a top priority at FINRA because it seriously undermines the public's confidence in the fairness of the markets," said Thomas Gira, Executive Vice President of FINRA's Market Regulation Department. "The actions announced today underscore that FINRA has the resources, technical expertise and capabilities to detect and investigate insider trading across the U.S. markets."

In the first of two separate actions, FINRA barred Peter D. Kelly ..........................

In the second action, FINRA barred Daniel Ivandjiiski of New York, NY for buying shares of Hawaiian Holdings, Inc, which owns Hawaiian Airlines, one day before Hawaiian Holdings publicly announced that it had reached an agreement with its creditors to increase Hawaiian Airlines' credit lines by $91 million. Ivandjiiski previously had been employed at an investment banking firm working on the deal to increase the credit lines.

In May 2005, Ivandjiiski became employed by another firm, Miller Buckfire & Co. Nevertheless, before the financing deal for Hawaiian Holdings was announced, he obtained confidential documents that his former firm had prepared concerning the impending deal. On March 14, 2006, while in possession of that material, non-public information, Ivandjiiski bought 1000 shares of Hawaiian Holdings for $4.75 a share. On March 15th, when the new financing was publicly announced, the share price of Hawaiian Holdings increased 6%, to close at $5.30. On March 21, 2006, Ivandjiiski sold his 1,000 shares of Hawaiian Holdings stock for $5.53 per share, for a profit of $780.

In settling these matters, neither Kelly nor Ivandjiiski admitted nor denied the charges, but consented to the entry of FINRA's findings.
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American Idol victor Scotty McCreery was robbed at gunpoint by intruders at a home in North Carolina early Monday morning.

Cursing
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Why Benghazi Matters


One year ago today, I wrote the following here at PJ Media:


No matter what happens with Darrell Issa’s congressional committee meetings this week, we are witnessing the beginning of the end of the Obama administration, and the cause is Benghazi. It’s impossible to overestimate the blowback that has been gathering steam for the past seven months, now about to erupt with full force. Few reputations will emerge unscathed, Obama’s presidency will be crippled, Hillary Clinton‘s 2016 candidacy will be destroyed — and perhaps some new heroes will be born…

That’s because, right from the jump, the administration has been lying through its teeth about what happened on the night of Sept. 11, 2012 — the eleventh anniversary of 9/11, as it happens. It transparently lied about the Mohammad video, threw the scapegoated filmmaker in jail (where, last time I looked, he still is), and convened a bogus “accountability” board to whitewash the whole damn thing so as not to disrupt the precious Narrative that Osama was dead and al-Qaeda was on the run.

It was all a lie, of course, and some of us knew it at the time. I wrote about it repeatedly on the Post’s Op-Ed page: you can find examples here, here and here. In this case, however, what happened in Benghazi, Foggy Bottom, the White House, and the Obama re-election campaign headquarters in Chicago was (as the saying goes) worse than a crime: it was a blunder. And that blunder may now bring down the man who never should have been president in the first place, for grotesque dereliction of his duty as commander-in-chief….

In the year since, we’ve learned a lot about Benghazi, including the extreme heroism of the brave men who put up the fight of their lives against hordes of savages armed with modern weapons. We’ve learned as well that the subject makes the Left profoundly uncomfortable, and that requests for more information by folks we used to quaintly call “decent Americans” have been met with the usual leftist mockery, eye-rolling, sarcasm, sneering and dismissal. We’ve even learned a little more about where the president might have been that night, before grabbing some winks and jetting off to Las Vegas the next day for the only part of the job he takes seriously, a campaign fund-raiser.

You can read further thoughts on Benghazi and the latest developments by people I admire, including my friend and PJ colleague Andy McCarthy –

Benghazi is not an ordinary scandal — it involves an act of war in which our ambassador, the representative of the United States in Libya, was murdered (along with three other Americans) under circumstances where security was appallingly inadequate for political reasons, and where the administration did not just lie about what happened but actually trumped up a prosecution that violated the First Amendment in order to bolster the lie. Only in the Manhattan-Beltway corridor do people think Benghazi is a GOP concern driven by 2016 political considerations.

– and the editors of National Review, who write: “The White House misled the American public about a critical matter of national interest, and it continues to practice deceit as the facts of the case are sorted out. That, to answer Hillary Clinton’s callous question, is what difference it makes.”

But, before we get further bogged in lawyerly detail about who said what to whom about what when during the upcoming congressional investigation, let me cut to the chase:

Benghazi matters because it was and is a matter of national honor. And the men and women currently in charge in Washington have no honor.

Honorable people do not let American diplomats twist slowly in the wind while they attend “debate prep” and rest up for a shakedown meeting with the One Percent. Honorable people do not suddenly go AWOL while American soil is under attack. Honorable people do not fail to mobilize the formidable resources of the American military, even if it might not be possible for them to get there in time. Honorable people, under questioning by Congress, do not lose their temper and start shouting. Honorable people do not look the bereaved in the eye and lie about who and what killed their loved ones.

Further: honorable people do not go before the public on the Sunday talk shows and knowingly transmit a bald-faced lie. Honorable people do not continue to lie about what took place. Honorable people do not say “We are Americans; we hold our head high,” and then hang their heads in shame as they cut and run at the first sign of trouble. Honorable people do not continue to reward the dishonorable with ever-higher posts. Honorable people resign.

And until honorable people are restored to Washington — not credentialed Ivy League lawyers with high name recognition steeped in cheap Marxism and fashionable anti-American contempt, but genuine patriots who understand that something has gone terribly wrong with America and needs to be redressed — there will be no justice for the victims of Benghazi.

As the Left likes to say: no justice, no peace.


http://pjmedia.com/michaelwalsh/2014/05/05/why-benghazi-matters/?singlepage=true


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From New Republic (I'm just interested in this source.... fascinating)

I'm only an imtermittent visitor to the financial blog Zero Hedge. But between my occasional perusals, and Joe Hagan's interesting profile of the blog (and its proprietor Dan Ivandjiiski) in last week's New York magazine, I can't help thinking it has a lot in common with the political blog Daily Kos. Both have an aggressively anti-establishment, semi-conspiratorial worldview and are constantly fulminating against the powers that be (big Wall Street firms in the first instance, sellout Washington Democrats and their corporate overseers in the second). Both are especially fond of trashing the mainstream media, which they deride as lazy, self-regarding, and corrupt. (In fact, both took off by giving voice to the frustrations of a large, alienated minority--aggrieved investors in the first instance, aggrieved liberals in the second--whose anger the mainstream media never sufficiently channeled.) And both have somewhat grandiose self-images.

Some revelant datapoints from Hagan's piece:

It’s fair to say that Zero Hedge’s success has given Ivandjiiski a newly minted sense of his own importance. In conversations with reporters, he regularly touts his influence with political figures like Schumer and Senator Ted Kaufman of Delaware, whose aides, he says, call him all the time. ...

Zero Hedge’s reputation has grown so much that last month, CNBC personalities Charlie Gasparino and Dennis Kneale felt moved to attack the site on-air. Kneale was particularly aggrieved by Zero Hedge’s ridicule of his declaration that the recession was over and delighted in describing anonymous bloggers as "dickweeds." (Gasparino used the more prosaic "morons.") Zero Hedge struck back with an "Open Letter to the Financial Media," characterizing criticism as the dying gasps of the old media. "Ladies and Gentlemen," it reads, "one-line zingers and contrived time limits designed to impale your hapless guests do not constitute 'constructive conflict' worthy of your interest in the Fourth Estate, which, incidentally, you do not own, but rather hold in trust on behalf of the citizenry. ...

It was around this time that Ivandjiiski, in his e-mails to me, began referring to himself in the third person. And one day after declaring our conversation over, he e-mailed again to flag yet another example of Zero Hedge’s influence: a scathing analysis he wrote last March about the National Rural Utilities Cooperative Finance Corporation (NRUC), which prompted an angry press release from the company before the rating agency Fitch downgraded NRUC. In his final post on the subject, Zero Hedge predicted the move would leave the Virginia-based utility "in [a] smoldering heap of electric and telephone poles." ...

"A lot of the readers are people who felt like they’ve lost money to machinations on Wall Street in some way," reasons Carney. "They see Zero Hedge as standing up for them, so any critique of Zero Hedge is taken as something that really needs to be fought back against. All hands on deck."

It's hardly surprising that, as Hagan reports, Ivandjiiski was a big source for Matt Taibbi's conspiratorial assault on Goldman Sachs in Rolling Stone this July. Over the last several years, of course, Taibbi has been a regulator exponent of the Kos-ian view of politics. (It's also not surprising that Taibbi's piece, and therefore Ivandjiiski's view of Goldman, were carefully dissected on Kos's site.)

Now obviously a literal reading of blogs like Kos and Zero Zedge can get you in trouble. And the number of sacred cows they claim credit for slaughtering probably exceeds the entire cattle population of United States. But, as with Kos, I actually think there's something to admire about Zero Hedge once you get beyond the bravado and the conspiracy theories. If Ivandjiiski's blog ends up doing for the financial world what Kos did for the political world--shining light on the establishment's excesses, causing fat-cats and insiders to think twice before they go about their daily routine--then that's probably a useful service.
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teedubbya wrote:
If Ivandjiiski's blog ends up doing for the financial world what Kos did for the political world--shining light on the establishment's excesses, causing fat-cats and insiders to think twice before they go about their daily routine--then that's probably a useful service.



Applause
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Holy ****!!! Politicians spinning?!?!?!?!

In this town the lines between 'lie' and 'spin' are pretty thin.

Apparently it WAS possible to overestimate the blowback...unless the predicted eruption was restricted to FoxNews
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I never read the daily Kos but apparantly DMV gives it his thumbs up.
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Oprah just released her first audition tape

Mellow
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teedubbya wrote:
I never read the daily Kos but apparantly DMV gives it his thumbs up.



I rate DailyKOS in the same department as Rush Limbaugh. Once you know the players, you can almost script what they're going to say.

Not really a thumbs up per se, but a good site if you want to research the other side of the coin.
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
I rate DailyKOS in the same department as Rush Limbaugh. Once you know the players, you can almost script what they're going to say.

Not really a thumbs up per se, but a good site if you want to research the other side of the coin.


I can't take either very seriously but they are amusing/entertaining. As long as you aren't using either in a serious way I guess it's ok

ok.. you have my approval.
teedubbya Offline
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by the way I didn't take the new republic peice very seriously.... its one thing for me to type like a moron and not fix errors on a discount cigar forum.... its another for a supposed professional acting in that capacity

I'm not much in to conspiracy theories but enjoy talking to folks that are. I am a simple person...
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'Buckwild' stars have a sex-tape . . .

Mellow
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"Oxygen gets you high. In a catastrophic emergency, you're taking giant panicked breaths. Suddenly you become euphoric, docile. You accept your fate. It's all right here. Emergency water landing - 600 miles an hour. Blank faces, calm as Hindu cows." - TD d'oh!
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Obama is a moslem eunuch !!

ram27bat
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And by the way, "Alligators" are ornery 'cause of their "Medula Oblongata"!
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Whoa.... double post
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