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Why did they allow this women to die?
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Woman in class-action lawsuit against Xerox dies

Time ran out for Linda Rolain.

The Las Vegas woman died Monday, less than two weeks after her family went public with details about Nevada Health Link insurance exchange enrollment troubles that kept her from treatment in January for an aggressive brain tumor.

Rolain was one of about 150 Nevadans suing Nevada Health Link contractor Xerox for enrollment mix-ups that left them without the health insurance they paid for.

Rolain is the first to die of complications from an illness said to have gone untreated for lack of coverage. But observers close to her case say she may not be the last.

“We are worried that this is the first of many Nevadans who have life-threatening issues that may end up in such tragic circumstances. We urge all Nevadans to verify that their insurance is active and in place in light of the many problems that hundreds, if not thousands, of Nevadans have gone through,” Rolain’s law firm, Callister, Immerman and Associates, said in a statement.

Local insurance broker Pat Casale, who in May began to help Rolain with her enrollment issues, said he wouldn’t be surprised if there were at least another 100 Nevadans facing both coverage problems and “urgent and emergent” health care needs.

“I know a few that I have right now (are) in serious need of care — people who have actually paid premiums and have not received care,” Casale said.

Rolain’s husband, Robert, said the couple began trying to sign up in November, well ahead of the Dec. 15 deadline for January coverage. After wrestling with repeated sign-up problems, the Rolains bought a plan that took effect in March. But they said Xerox staffers miscommunicated the policy’s effective date, so they didn’t know until May that they had coverage.

Linda Rolain was first diagnosed with a brain tumor in early 2014, after a seizure in late 2013. Robert Rolain said in a June 19 news conference at the downtown Las Vegas offices of Callister, Immerman and Associates that his wife’s care was delayed for months because of their insurance troubles.

Robert Rolain alleges his wife’s tumor went from treatable in winter to fatal in spring as the couple fought for coverage.

Linda Rolain was admitted to hospice care in early June.

A Xerox spokesman said in a statement that the company would not “be able to comment on this tragic development.” A spokesman for Nevada Health Link was out of town Tuesday and could not be reached for comment.

Casale blamed the coverage mishap on Xerox’s “ineptitude” and “inability to get paperwork and to process things through to” the Rolains’ insurer, Nevada Health CO-OP.

“This poor lady was told in January that she needed immediate attention,” Casale said. “Her doctor said if she had begun treatment in March, he might been able to give her quality of care, and she might have lived longer. She had no chance because of the delay.

“Ms. Rolain should have had coverage in January. (The Rolains) did everything they could to facilitate the acquisition of a health plan,” Casale added. “She suffered and she died all because of the negligence of a vendor who should not even be in the industry.”

The Silver State Health Insurance Exchange signed a $72 million contract with Xerox in 2012 to build Nevada Health Link. But software glitches kept legions of consumers from enrolling in plans when the health link opened on Oct. 1. The exchange enrolled just a third of the 118,000 sign-ups it targeted in its first year.

The exchange’s board decided in May to replace Xerox as the health link’s contractor. The exchange will borrow federal eligibility and enrollment functions in November while it looks for a permanent replacement system for 2015’s enrollment session.

Callister, Immerman and Associates filed its class action lawsuit on April 1 after Las Vegan Larry Basich ran up $407,000 in uncovered medical bills despite paying several months’ worth of premiums through Nevada Health Link.

Attorney Matthew Callister said on June 19 that he would seek faster legal action for gravely ill patients, including Linda Rolain.

“Some of our clients are so ill that if their needs are not addressed now, it is a matter of life and death,” Callister said.


http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/las-vegas/woman-class-action-lawsuit-against-xerox-dies
DrafterX Offline
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so, it was a tumor... Mellow
gryphonms Offline
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This is tragic, but is it a surprise that a republican state poorly implemented Obama care?
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gryphonms wrote:
This is tragic, but is it a surprise that a republican state poorly implemented Obama care?



I thought Nevada was a blue state?
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HockeyDad wrote:
I thought Nevada was a blue state?

It is kind of in-between I believe. Hard to believe considering it's where Obstructionist Harry Reid's is from.
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I dunno. It looks like their House and Senate are both Democrat-controlled and the governor is a Republican.

Maybe we can ship them a bunch of Central American illegal immigrant children to make up for the people that Obamacare kills.
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Clearly, God hates Las Vegas, Xerox and people with brain tumors else he would've helped her. horse
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My statement was based on the fact that their governer appointed 5 people to the exchange board. Democrats appointed 2 people.

When googled, the governor appoints 5. The Senate majority leader appoints 1. The speaker of the assembly appoints 1.
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Gotcha. If there were more Democrats on the board they would not have chose Xerox.
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HockeyDad wrote:
Gotcha. If there were more Democrats on the board they would not have chose Xerox.


Shame on you
no, she would have never got the tumor.... Mellow
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DrafterX wrote:
Shame on you
no, she would have never got the tumor.... Mellow



I dunno....I can't recall hearing of any problems with implementing Obamacare in blue states.
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She was one of them!
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Yeah Oregon was REAL SMOOTH in the rollout....


Cannot believe that NO hospital would administer indigent care in lieu of obvious benefits for this lady.

When I read the title of suing Xerox I kinda freaked out, cuz that one time I did dirty things to the young lady on the Xerox machine at work......Mellow
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We are talking about a specific state. Stick to the issue. My point is and was that I think a Republican board did not make enough effort to fix their exchanges problems. If their exchage had been federally controled I would have said the democrates did not make enough effort to fix the exchange.

If you want to debate that Obamacare has put our healthcare in worse shape than it has ever been that is a different issue and I would be in complete agreement.
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so, it's Bush's fault..?? Huh
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They appointed more people than Democrats, were either party actually administering?

This isn't even a left right issue.

malfeasance of duty is a two party plague.
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gryphonms wrote:
If their exchange had been federally controlled I would have said the democrats did not make enough effort to fix the exchange.




Maybe you just would have said she was collateral damage.
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I haven't read the whole thread but if it's a contest I'd like a clue. What did she look like?
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teedubbya wrote:
I haven't read the whole thread but if it's a contest I'd like a clue. What did she look like?



sounds like she was a democrat soooo.... just imagine from there.... Mellow
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teedubbya wrote:
I haven't read the whole thread but if it's a contest I'd like a clue. What did she look like?


Pale skin...almost blue...really cold and stiff...not much of a conversationalist.
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So it wasn't implicitly implied that Obamacare killed this women? That was my take away from this OP. I appoligize if I am wrong. HD I told you exactly what I would say. Are your cognitive skills impaired today?
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She won't be calling JG Wentworth!
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DrafterX wrote:
sounds like she was a democrat soooo.... just imagine from there.... Mellow



so she was a hollywood actress?
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teedubbya wrote:
so she was a hollywood actress?



no, we would have heard about it if one of them croaked... Mellow
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so she was a hollywood actress?



Is that what we call MSNBC news readers now?
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I heard she was a dead lay, but never said no.

I like a gal who doesn't believe in safety words.
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Is that what we call MSNBC news readers now?



I thought they only employed dudes
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teedubbya wrote:
I thought they only employed dudes



TRANSGENDERED!!!!
gryphonms Offline
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It's not nice to laugh about the dead. LMAO
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gryphonms wrote:
So it wasn't implicitly implied that Obamacare killed this women? That was my take away from this OP. I appoligize if I am wrong. HD I told you exactly what I would say. Are your cognitive skills impaired today?



Hey.....don't blame me because you're disingenuous.
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he had his genetals cut off?
DrMaddVibe Offline
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That's the miracle of duct tape.
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Don't know why you find me disingenuous but at least I now know your opinion.
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gryphonms wrote:
Don't know why you find me disingenuous but at least I now know your opinion.



What's with all this YOU stuff???
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gryphonms wrote:
Don't know why you find me disingenuous but at least I now know your opinion.



Did the two Democrats appointees try to fix the exchange harder than the 5 Republican appointees? You rushed to a desired conclusion based on a political bias. Never even bothered to blame Xerox who is the subject of the actual lawsuit.
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HockeyDad wrote:
Did the two Democrats appointees try to fix the exchange harder than the 5 Republican appointees? You rushed to a desired conclusion based on a political bias. Never even bothered to blame Xerox who is the subject of the actual lawsuit.



Xerox...we don't make the copies...we make the copies copierer.
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gryphonms wrote:
We are talking about a specific state. Stick to the issue. My point is and was that I think a Republican board did not make enough effort to fix their exchanges problems. If their exchage had been federally controled I would have said the democrates did not make enough effort to fix the exchange.

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You're basically conceding that the exchange was unfix-able, but you just want to know who to blame.

Here's a hint: Blame the system. Not those charged with trying to implement it.
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Doc, I was referring to HD. HD, point taken though disingenuous does not fit. Political bias does though that was not my intent. My thought process took me there. Perhaps uniformed opinion would fit best.
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Maybe I was being disingenuous when I said you were being disingenuous.
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Am I the only one bothered by the title?

Why did we allow these women to die? or Why did we allow this woman to die?

It's THIS woman (singular) or THESE women (plural).

This is like 3rd grade grammar, people!!! ram27bat
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TG, fair enough. Obamacare is a cluster from any perspective.
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MACS wrote:
Am I the only one bothered by the title?

Why did we allow these women to die? or Why did we allow this woman to die?

It's THIS woman (singular) or THESE women (plural).

This is like 3rd grade grammar, people!!! ram27bat



Maybe it's one of those Magic Eye thingahmabobs...I'm terrible at those.
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MACS wrote:
Am I the only one bothered by the title?

Why did we allow these women to die? or Why did we allow this woman to die?

It's THIS woman (singular) or THESE women (plural).

This is like 3rd grade grammar, people!!! ram27bat


War on Women . . . (duh)

Abrignac Offline
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MACS wrote:
Am I the only one bothered by the title?

Why did we allow these women to die? or Why did we allow this woman to die?

It's THIS woman (singular) or THESE women (plural).

This is like 3rd grade grammar, people!!! ram27bat


You're not gonna let an "e" in place of an "a" stand in the way of a little hyperbole are you?
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Anyone else bothered by the timing on this?

He started signing up in Nov 13.
She was diagnosed with the tumor in "early" 2014 after a seizure in "late" 2013.

Even if his paperwork was processed in a timely manner, she clearly had the tumor in "late" 2013 (anyone else suspicious that her suddenly having seizures is why he rushed to sign up for insurance??????)





Abrignac Offline
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victor809 wrote:
Anyone else bothered by the timing on this?

He started signing up in Nov 13.
She was diagnosed with the tumor in "early" 2014 after a seizure in "late" 2013.

Even if his paperwork was processed in a timely manner, she clearly had the tumor in "late" 2013 (anyone else suspicious that her suddenly having seizures is why he rushed to sign up for insurance??????)








Who cares, per-existing conditions are supposed to be covered.
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Abrignac wrote:
Who cares, per-existing conditions are supposed to be covered.


They are, I agree.
Let me phrase it differently.

If this couple were carrying insurance in 2013 PRIOR to trying to sign on to the exchange, this tumor and seizures would have been covered by that company.

It seems to me that this is a couple that did not have insurance, and if the ObamaCare exchanges hadn't been implemented, would have continued to go without insurance... until the seizure occurred and they rushed off to get insurance.

From another standpoint, if there was no obamacare, what do you think the odds would have been that they would have tried to enroll in insurance anyway and claimed the seizure wasn't a symptom of the tumor?

Rules is rules, and I agree they should have been (and ultimately were, but delayed) covered. I just have trouble getting too sympathetic for them.
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Abrignac wrote:
You're not gonna let an "e" in place of an "a" stand in the way of a little hyperbole are you?


Well, yeah. What kind of grammar police did you thought I was?
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