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teedubbya Offline
#1 Posted: Fri, Oct 17 2014, 7:26 AM EST
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Biden's son discharged from Navy after testing positive for cocaine
By Eric Bradner, CNN
updated 8:44 PM EDT, Thu October 16, 2014

"I deeply regret and am embarrassed that my actions led to my administrative discharge." Hunter Biden told CNN on Thursday.Washington (CNN) -- The Navy Reserve discharged Vice President Joe Biden's son Hunter this year after he tested positive for cocaine, U.S. officials confirmed.

The discharge of Biden, a 44-year-old lawyer and managing partner at an investment firm, was first reported by the Wall Street Journal on Thursday. He confirmed the report in a statement to CNN.

"It was the honor of my life to serve in the U.S. Navy, and I deeply regret and am embarrassed that my actions led to my administrative discharge. I respect the Navy's decision. With the love and support of my family, I'm moving forward," he said.

Biden was commissioned as an ensign in May 2013 and assigned as a public affairs officer in a Norfolk, Virginia-based reserve unit. A month later, he tested positive for cocaine, and he was discharged in February, according to the report.

The U.S. official said the Navy never had contact with the vice president's office over the issue, and that standard procedure for failed drug tests is administrative discharge. The vice president's office didn't comment on the report.

Hunter Biden is the younger of Biden's two sons. His older brother, Beau Biden, is Delaware's attorney general and a major in the Delaware Army National Guard. He was deployed for a year in Iraq.
TMCTLT Offline
#2 Posted: Fri, Oct 17 2014, 7:33 AM EST
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What no drug rehab....no jail time?? Yessir once again different laws for different classes, am I surprised? NO

How nice that he simply gets to " move forward " with his life....now will they also flag him as a felon and will his right to keep and bear arms be stripped as happens with all " lower level AMERICANS "
wheelrite Offline
#3 Posted: Fri, Oct 17 2014, 7:38 AM EST
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He first started with weed, the Gateway drug...


wheel,
TMCTLT Offline
#4 Posted: Fri, Oct 17 2014, 7:48 AM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
He first started with alcohol the Gateway drug...

And my preferred gateway drug!!!

wheel,






Fixed it for you....d'oh!
teedubbya Offline
#5 Posted: Fri, Oct 17 2014, 8:02 AM EST
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I'm not aware of any cases where jail time results from a posative test rather than getting caught with the drugs but I could be wrong.

Who does coke anyway? what a dolt.
DrafterX Offline
#6 Posted: Fri, Oct 17 2014, 8:08 AM EST
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Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#7 Posted: Fri, Oct 17 2014, 8:10 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Mellow



sorry drafter. didn't know you did coke along with all your other alternative lifestyle choices. I wore purple yesterday to support yor right to not be bullied.
TMCTLT Offline
#8 Posted: Fri, Oct 17 2014, 8:11 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I'm not aware of any cases where jail time results from a posative test rather than getting caught with the drugs but I could be wrong.

Who does coke anyway? what a dolt.




Right?? I mean that's sooooo 80's man fog

You make an interesting point but here's where I get hung up, getting caught is one thing but Already having it in your system....there's no room left for doubt @ that point. Seems like splitting hairs unless that is one had enough on them to appear as though he were into " sales "
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#9 Posted: Fri, Oct 17 2014, 8:46 AM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
Right?? I mean that's sooooo 80's man fog

You make an interesting point but here's where I get hung up, getting caught is one thing but Already having it in your system....there's no room left for doubt @ that point. Seems like splitting hairs unless that is one had enough on them to appear as though he were into " sales "


Kinda reminds me of the Stretch Armstrong dolls.

In order "serve" time, one must be convicted. Cocaine is a Schedule II drug. As such it is a drug with a high potential for abuse, but is currently accepted for medical use. The fact that someone tests positive for cocaine doesn't in of itself provide prima facie evidence of illegal activities.

On the other hand, I'm guessing there was no rush to fully investigate the particulars of this situation.
Bur Offline
#10 Posted: Fri, Oct 17 2014, 8:47 AM EST
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Having run a few entrance urinalysis sweeps for the Naval Reserve, he likely had it in his system the very first day he showed up at his brand new Reserve Center. Notice the article says he joined in May 2013, tested positive a month later (likely first drill, when all new accessions take a "whiz quiz") and then was discharged. Standard practice-we did that at the Center I was part of. Morning #1-here's your cup.

Either he's too stupid to listen when told he will have urinalysis when he shows up, too hooked up to actually stop for a few days and clean his system, or too proud to admit, "Yeah, my daddy is your boss so I don't care" is what he thought.

Either way, good riddance out of MY Navy like the others that tested "hot" the first and last day of their Navy "career". He didn't serve in the Navy, just mustered at a Navy Reserve Center 2-4 days and took indoc classes.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#11 Posted: Fri, Oct 17 2014, 9:05 AM EST
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Oh, it's just Joe being Joe!
Gene363 Offline
#12 Posted: Fri, Oct 17 2014, 9:51 AM EST
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Bur wrote:
Having run a few entrance urinalysis sweeps for the Naval Reserve, he likely had it in his system the very first day he showed up at his brand new Reserve Center. Notice the article says he joined in May 2013, tested positive a month later (likely first drill, when all new accessions take a "whiz quiz") and then was discharged. Standard practice-we did that at the Center I was part of. Morning #1-here's your cup.

Either he's too stupid to listen when told he will have urinalysis when he shows up, too hooked up to actually stop for a few days and clean his system, or too proud to admit, "Yeah, my daddy is your boss so I don't care" is what he thought.

Either way, good riddance out of MY Navy like the others that tested "hot" the first and last day of their Navy "career". He didn't serve in the Navy, just mustered at a Navy Reserve Center 2-4 days and took indoc classes.


Yup.

It really has nothing to do with the VP, no matter how you feel about his politics. All drug addicts have parents from all walks of life. There should be no joy in family tragedy.
teedubbya Offline
#13 Posted: Fri, Oct 17 2014, 9:56 AM EST
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I agree with you there Gene. I take no joy in anyone's addiction. There is a certain amount of stupidity involved though knowing you will get tested and knowing that like it or not your family is a public one. Why join the Navy and put yourself in that position? He's an attny, he didn't need this. I suspect along with possible addiction there was also arrogance and a sense of privelage involved.
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#14 Posted: Fri, Oct 17 2014, 10:06 AM EST
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he prolly saw some benefits his brother was getting or maybe trying to make daddy proud of him... it does seem strange at 44 he decides to do this.... Mellow
opelmanta1900 Offline
#15 Posted: Fri, Oct 17 2014, 10:24 AM EST
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he was probably just at a party and caught some second hand powder when someone sneezed... happens all the time...
robertsccr5 Offline
#16 Posted: Fri, Oct 17 2014, 10:31 AM EST
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Big whoop.

We let people get away with it all the time. The system is broken. For example, it takes a long time to process a packet to chapter someone out of the Army for popping hot on a drug test. So long in fact, a lot of the kids that pop hot are close to their ETS (contract ending) but due to the process taking forever, once the Soldier hits his 90 day window prior to ETS, we can't do a thing to him, just let him get out. Several kids have walked away with honorable discharges despite having a pending drug packet.
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#17 Posted: Fri, Oct 17 2014, 11:01 AM EST
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He can now apply to be a train conductor
For AMTRAK...
HOW GOOD IS HE AT "MULTI-TASKING"???
They are allowed to drive one handed and
Text w/ the other....
DrafterX Offline
#18 Posted: Fri, Oct 17 2014, 11:05 AM EST
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does a train have a steering wheel..?? Think
Gene363 Offline
#19 Posted: Fri, Oct 17 2014, 11:19 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I agree with you there Gene. I take no joy in anyone's addiction. There is a certain amount of stupidity involved though knowing you will get tested and knowing that like it or not your family is a public one. Why join the Navy and put yourself in that position? He's an attny, he didn't need this. I suspect along with possible addiction there was also arrogance and a sense of privelage involved.


That's a great question. Apparently addiction puts a voice in your head that can override common sense and just about anything else until the addict decides not to listen.

Doing drugs when they know they are going to be tested is just another facet of addiction. I've seen it in all types of work, from laborers, professional craftsmen, engineers even doctors, nurses, other health professionals and law enforcement get caught by drug testing.

When we started drug testing in the nuclear construction business I was really shocked at the people that turned up positive and others that, 'moved along' to avoid testing. Years later when the government was hiring lots of folks to spend tarp/incentive funds, they started testing applicants before making an offer to avoid large numbers of 'employees' testing positive for drugs. These idiots had numerous written and verbal warnings when they applied and when they were scheduled for testing, I guess that explains why they call drugs, dope.
gryphonms Offline
#20 Posted: Fri, Oct 17 2014, 11:28 AM EST
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I think many of us know at least one person who truly wants to beat their addiction and just can't. For me it is heartbreaking to see the pain my friends family goes through because if this. Since I have known them their son has tried to beat his addiction 5 times only to eventually relapse.
victor809 Offline
#21 Posted: Fri, Oct 17 2014, 11:33 AM EST
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A guy I used to hang out with occasionally used to be a heavy user... Ranged from heroin to methadone to extacy, pot and alcohol. He loved them all. His addiction was bad enough that when he couldn't get it, he'd have sex with a Dr. dealer of his (male, he was straight but would have sex with men for drugs) for methadone.

He was also Reserves. He was smart about his addiction... he made sure he was the "Drug Sargeant" or whatever the title was... so he would know when upcoming drug tests were and could get cleaned up. Eventually he ODed on heroine, the girl he was dating called 911 and when they showed up and found his massive collection of guns and drugs he got in a bit of trouble.

Interestingly, even after that he continued to drink. He would get tested in the mornings (court ordered), so he would keep a breathalyzer with him when drinking so that he knew when he had to stop to allow his body enough time to clear the alcohol out of his system.

I still remember nights when he'd be so messed up on pot, ex and alcohol that he'd be shirtless, vaguely humping the bar and anyone who stood next to him... no real idea where he was. Funny guy.
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#22 Posted: Sat, Oct 18 2014, 7:27 PM EST
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His name wasn't Barry was it?
MACS Offline
#23 Posted: Sat, Oct 18 2014, 9:44 PM EST
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Bur wrote:
Having run a few entrance urinalysis sweeps for the Naval Reserve, he likely had it in his system the very first day he showed up at his brand new Reserve Center. Notice the article says he joined in May 2013, tested positive a month later (likely first drill, when all new accessions take a "whiz quiz") and then was discharged. Standard practice-we did that at the Center I was part of. Morning #1-here's your cup.

Either he's too stupid to listen when told he will have urinalysis when he shows up, too hooked up to actually stop for a few days and clean his system, or too proud to admit, "Yeah, my daddy is your boss so I don't care" is what he thought.

Either way, good riddance out of MY Navy like the others that tested "hot" the first and last day of their Navy "career". He didn't serve in the Navy, just mustered at a Navy Reserve Center 2-4 days and took indoc classes.


Applause Applause Applause

Thank you... I concur.
jetblasted Offline
#24 Posted: Mon, Oct 20 2014, 4:56 PM EST
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Bur wrote:


Either he's too stupid to listen when told he will have urinalysis when he shows up, too hooked up to actually stop for a few days and clean his system, or too proud to admit, "Yeah, my daddy is your boss so I don't care" is what he thought.


His cousin was guilty of the same offense . . .
frankj1 Offline
#25 Posted: Mon, Oct 20 2014, 5:24 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:

Yup.

It really has nothing to do with the VP, no matter how you feel about his politics. All drug addicts have parents from all walks of life. There should be no joy in family tragedy.

well said. and I'd add that people having difficulty understanding why an addict won't stop for a few days to pass a test do not know the definition of addiction.
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