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Win at all cost: A lesson in tranparency?
Abrignac Offline
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Joined: 02-24-2012
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Obamacare Architect: We Passed the Law Thanks to the ‘Stupidity of the American Voter’


One of the architects of Obamacare said the law was written in a deliberately “tortured” way and relied on the “stupidity of the American voter” to ensure its passage.

In a newly unearthed 2013 clip, Jonathan Gruber, the MIT health economist who helped craft parts of the Affordable Care Act, got fairly candid about the tactics used to get the Affordable Care Act passed during a panel at the Annual Health Economists’ Conference last year.

“This bill was written in a tortured way to make sure [the Congressional Budget Office] did not score the mandate as taxes,” Gruber said in one 52-second clip. “If CBO scored the mandate as taxes, the bill dies. OK, so it’s written to do that. In terms of risk-rated subsidies, if you had a law which said that healthy people are going to pay in – you made explicit healthy people pay in and sick people get money, it would not have passed.”

Gruber then trumpeted the value of a “lack of transparency” — and called American voters stupid.

“Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage,” Gruber said. “And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really really critical for the thing to pass.”


Better for the American people to be saddled with a law they don’t understand, Gruber claimed, than for them to understand the law and rally against it.

“Look, I wish … we could make it all transparent,” Gruber said, “but I’d rather have this law than not.”

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/11/10/obamacare-architect-stupidity-of-the-american-voter-was-critical-to-passing-the-law/
DrafterX Offline
#2 Posted:
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,555
I tried to tell ya'll.... Not talking
DrMaddVibe Offline
#3 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,448
The American voters voted in shills like Pelosi who uttered that they had to pass the bill so we (the public) could find out what's was in it...not once stating that she and most of them that voted for it didn't even READ the bill first!

It's the senators and congressmen that are stupid not the voters. Most voters take the time to read up on a candidate and will vote for one or the other based on information that they will vote a certain way on key issues. It's impossible to find a candidate that anyone can agree with 100% of the time.

The voters that voted for the Kenyan King are stupid. They ushered in a man that never wrote and passed a bill of his own. Voted "Present" for most of his votes and was only a senator for 2 years before he went off campaigning to be President. He's never done a thing without a taxpayer funding the venture and I'm betting he will always do that too. Then there were the ones that wanted the Obamaphones and Obamacheese and Obamacare...how's that working out for anyone?
teedubbya Offline
#4 Posted:
Joined: 08-14-2003
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This is not new or earth shattering. They didn't hide that fact at the time.
teedubbya Offline
#5 Posted:
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Call it anything other than a tax until you need to call it a tax for your benefit.
jetblasted Offline
#6 Posted:
Joined: 08-30-2004
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I've kept my doctor Mellow
HockeyDad Offline
#7 Posted:
Joined: 09-20-2000
Posts: 46,138
I accept TeeDubbya's apology
teedubbya Offline
#8 Posted:
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I'm sorry.
Abrignac Offline
#9 Posted:
Joined: 02-24-2012
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Another tape surfaces of ObamaCare architect calling American people ‘stupid’
Published November 12, 2014

ObamaCare architect Jonathan Gruber apparently doesn't think much of the intelligence of the American people.

A new tape has surfaced showing Gruber, once again, claiming the health care law's authors took advantage of the "stupid" American public.

The tape, played on Fox News' "The Kelly File," showed Gruber speaking at an October 2013 event at Washington University in St. Louis.

Referring to the so-called "Cadillac tax" on high-end health plans, he said: "They proposed it and that passed, because the American people are too stupid to understand the difference."

Gruber specifically was referring to the way the "Cadillac tax" was designed -- he touted their plan to, instead of taxing policy holders, tax the insurance companies that offered them. He suggested that taxing individuals would have been politically unpalatable, but taxing the companies worked because Americans didn't understand the difference.

This is similar to remarks he made at a separate event around the same time in 2013. In a clip of that event, Gruber said the "lack of transparency" in the way the law was crafted was critical. "Basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical for the thing to pass," he said.

After the first tape surfaced -- prompting Republican outrage -- Gruber went on MSNBC to express regret. On Tuesday, he said: "I was speaking off the cuff and I basically spoke inappropriately, and I regret having made those comments."

But after Fox News played the second tape, GOP lawmakers said it proves what they've been saying all along.

"It confirms people's greatest fear about the government," Sen. John Barrasso, R-Wyo., told Fox News on Wednesday. "Remember, it was Nancy Pelosi who said first you have to pass it before you get to find out what's in it.

"We knew it was written in a way that it was really deliberately written to deceive the American people, and now people are paying the price."

As Congress returns for a lame-duck session, on the heels of midterm elections where Republicans won control of the Senate, GOP leaders say they will try once again next year to repeal the law -- or least change its most controversial provisions.

Rep. Trey Gowdy, R-S.C., blasted Gruber on Tuesday.

"I can't even get past the irony of that to even get to the arrogance of him calling our fellow citizens stupid," he told Fox News, referring to the administration's past transparency pledges.
Krazeehorse Offline
#10 Posted:
Joined: 04-09-2010
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I'm afraid the stupidity of the American electorate is so well rooted that the videos of this guy making these statements will have little to no effect on anything.
cacman Offline
#11 Posted:
Joined: 07-03-2010
Posts: 12,216
Abrignac wrote:
"… because the American people are too stupid to understand the difference."

Which is exactly how the big idiot got elected - TWICE!!!
Of course buying votes didn't hurt them either.
Gene363 Offline
#12 Posted:
Joined: 01-24-2003
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So, NOW is time to start building a gullitine?
HockeyDad Offline
#13 Posted:
Joined: 09-20-2000
Posts: 46,138
Gene363 wrote:

So, NOW is time to start building a gullitine?



Americans are too stupid to learn how to build a guillotine. (unless there was a reality TV show to explain it.)
sd72 Offline
#14 Posted:
Joined: 03-09-2011
Posts: 9,600
You could build it, it is french.
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