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i have never seen these on the auction. have you? i really like the enchantments, i have paid 12 to 18 dollars for them retail and was hoping to land a five pack here.

The come up for auction once in a great while, but because of the scarcity the bids go high. You may be able to get some at a slight discount, but it won't be like some of the other super bargains available here. Try Cielo, Industrial Press, or O. All excellent Ecuadorian Sun-grown wrapped cigars available at a better price. Okay, I admit it- I'm a cheap Ba$ta*d.

Sorry for the 2X post, my trigger finger was itchy.

VSG, virgin sun grown appellation is tacked on to a number of brands: excatly what does that mean?

Sheeesh. I have to take over all of Slim's cut'n'paste duties while he's gone. Stop asking these questions!

Sun Grown is a term used to describe any tobacco that is not grown beneath shade. Most filler tobaccos are sun grown plants.

However, the term is most commonly applied to advertise wrapper leafs that have not been grown beneath shade.

Typically wrapper plants are sowed and nutured in fields that are tented entirely beneath huge expanses of muslin cloth. This cloth helps to greatly diffuse the sunlight resulting in silky wrapper leaves that are thinner in texture with much smaller veins. These qualities are highly desirable in good wrappers.

Yet in Ecuador this tenting is not needed because its tobacco growing regions are famous for their dense, near constant cloud cover. Here nature provides the shade required to produce beautiful wrapper leaf without the use of any muslin cloth, and in turn the leaves are referred and advetised as being "sun grown."

Basically, all Ecuador Sumatran and Ecuador Connecticut wrappers are sun grown.

Try the Occidental Havana Sun growns...They're about $70-$80 a box (about $4 a stick here in IL.) and they are a great smoke!...Very rich flavor!...Mild in strength but chock-ful of flavor!

great info here...i don't know what it is about sun grown, but it's my cigar of choice; although, i've had some sun grown 'gars that were about as good as lone wolfs...

there are also a good number of smokes out there, that left to a little humi-time, would be very near those nice VSGs. don't get me wrong; i love my VSGs; it's just that they are special occasion smokes; good sun grown gars out there are Oliva O, Fuente Chateau in sun grown, El Rico, IP, to mention a few.

i'm guessing it has to do with what Slimboli posted; not sure but almost every premium sun grown (that i've mentioned above) has been really tasty and fairly full-bodied with the exception of only a few; sorry can't remember those. i've also found that my sun grown gars age mo betta and take less humi-time to boot so i can enjoy them quicker.

The first time any plant is grown it takes certain nutrients out of the soil, so every time after that there are less and less of those specific nutrients in the soil. This is why crop rotation is so important for farmers because different plants use different mixtures of nutrients, without the rotation the land can become devoid of nutrients and thus worthless for planting. So the first, or virgin, crop is more prime because the soil is teeming with nutrients.



Did you guys ever notice what product a lot of cigar companies also grow??? Coffee, by rotating tobacco and coffee the farmers keep the soil usable to produce quality tobacco over an extended period of time.

Man ... you beat me to it while I was typing. Very good!

This is the most interesting thread I've read in the last three days..LOL

large fields?

I must agree with an earlier post that if you can't get the ashton VSG, one of my favorites with a sun grown wrapper is the Fuente Chateau.