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Will the Confederate Memorial at Arlington be next on the 'remove it' list??
cacman Offline
#1 Posted:
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Wasn't Joe Biden's son buried at Arlington?

Will the Confederate Memorial at Arlington be the next sacred monument to fall under the Confederate Flag controversy?
A history refresher:

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Confederate Memorial

The history of Arlington National Cemetery is steeped in the Civil War, for it was this great national struggle that necessitated the establishment of this cemetery to bury its many dead. For many years following the war, the bitter feelings between North and South remained, and although hundreds of Confederate soldiers were buried at Arlington, it was considered a Union cemetery. Family members of Confederate soldiers were denied permission to decorate their loved ones' graves and in extreme cases were even denied entrance to the cemetery.

These ill feelings were slow to die but over time they did begin to fade. Many historians believe it was the national call to arms during the Spanish-American War that brought northerners and southerners together at last. In that war numerous Confederate veterans volunteered their services and joined their Northern brothers on the battlefield in the common defense of our nation. In June 1900, in this spirit of national reconciliation, the U.S. Congress authorized that a section of Arlington National Cemetery be set aside for the burial of Confederate dead.

By the end of 1901 all the Confederate soldiers buried in the national cemeteries at Alexandria, Virginia, and at the Soldiers' Home in Washington were brought together with the soldiers buried at Arlington and reinterred in the Confederate section. Among the 482 persons buried there are 46 officers, 351 enlisted men, 58 wives, 15 southern civilians, and 12 unknowns. They are buried in concentric circles around the Confederate Monument, and their graves are marked with headstones that are distinct for their pointed tops. Legend attributes these pointed-top tombstones to a Confederate belief that the points would "keep Yankees from sitting on them."

To further honor these citizens of the South, the United Daughters of the Confederacy petitioned to erect a major monument to the Confederate dead. On March 4, 1906 Secretary of War William Howard Taft granted their request. The cornerstone was laid on Nov. 12, 1912 at a ceremony featuring speakers William Jennings Bryan and James A. Tanner, a former Union corporal who lost both legs at the second Battle of Bull Run. He was commander in chief of the Union veterans group, The Grand Army of the Republic. That same evening, President William Howard Taft addressed the United Daughters of the Confederacy at a reception in the Daughters of the American Revolution's Centennial Hall.

Chosen to design the memorial was the world-renowned sculptor, Moses Ezekiel. Ezekiel brought more than just his artistic talents to this project for he was also a Confederate veteran who knew firsthand the horrors of the Civil War. He is now buried at the base of the famous monument which he created.

The Confederate Monument was unveiled before a large crowd of northerners and southerners on June 4, 1914, the 106th anniversary of the birthday of the president of the Confederacy, Jefferson Davis. President Woodrow Wilson delivered an address and veterans of both the Union and Confederacy placed wreaths on the graves of their former foes, symbolizing the reconciliation between the North and South, the memorial's central theme.

Ezekiel created a monument rich in symbols. Standing atop the 32-foot monument is a larger-than-life figure of a woman representing the South. Her head is crowned with olive leaves, her left hand extends a laurel wreath toward the South, acknowledging the sacrifice of her fallen sons. Her right hand holds a pruning hook resting on a plow stock. These symbols bring to life the biblical passage inscribed at her feet: "And they shall beat their swords into plow shares and their spears into pruning hooks."

The plinth on which she stands is embossed with four cinerary urns symbolizing the four years of the Civil War. Supporting the plinth is a frieze of 14 inclined shields, each depicts the coat of arms of one of the 13 Confederate states and Maryland, which did not join the Confederacy but supported the South in the war.

Below the plinth is another frieze of life-sized figures depicting mythical gods and Southern soldiers. At the front of the monument, the panoplied figure of Minerva, Goddess of War and Wisdom, attempts to hold up the figure of a fallen woman ("The South") who is resting upon her shield, "The Constitution." Behind "The South," the Spirits of War are trumpeting in every direction calling the sons and daughters of the South to aid their falling mother. On either side of the fallen woman are figures depicting those sons and daughters who came to her aid and who represent each branch of the Confederate service: Soldiers, Sailor, Sapper and Miner.

Completing the frieze are six vignettes illustrating the effect of the war on Southerners of all races. The vignettes include a black slave following his young master; an officer kissing his infant child in the arms of her mammy; a blacksmith leaving his bellows and workshop as his sorrowful wife looks on; a young lady binding the sword and sash on her beau; and a young officer standing alone.

The base of the memorial features several inscriptions. On its front face are the seal of the Confederacy and a tribute by the United Daughters of the Confederacy, followed by the Latin phrase: "Victrix Causa Diis Placuit Sed Victa Caton." This phrase means: "The Victorious Cause was Pleasing to the Gods, But the Lost Cause to Cato." On the rear of the monument is an inscription attributed to the Reverend Randolph Harrison McKim, who was a Confederate chaplain and who served as pastor of the Epiphany Church in Washington for 32 years. It reads:

Not for fame or reward
Not for place or for rank
Not lured by ambition
Or goaded by necessity
But in simple
Obedience to duty
As they understood it
These men suffered all
Sacrificed all
Dared all-and died

In addition to Moses Ezekiel, three other Confederate soldiers are buried at the base of the monument. They are Lt. Harry C. Marmaduke who served in the Confederate Navy, Capt. John M. Hickey of the Second Missouri Infantry and Brig. Gen. Marcus J. Wright who commanded brigades at Shiloh and Chickamauga.

Peters, James Edward. Arlington National Cemetery: Shrine to America's Heroes. Woodbine House, 1986.

http://www.arlingtoncemetery.mil/Explore-the-Cemetery/Monuments-and-Memorials/Confederate-Memorial

http://www.knowsouthernhistory.net/Articles/Places/arlington.html
Burner02 Offline
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Eventually there will be no more excuses.

Then what?
jetblasted Offline
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That quote on the monument is one of my favorites, and I've shared it before.

There's also talk of banning Gone With The Wind, tearing down the Washington & Jefferson Monuments & more.

But, "Piss Christ" can stay.
Speyside Offline
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That is a monumemt for AMERICAN soldiers. They served with honer and gave the ultimate sacrifice, their life. It does not matter that they fought for the South, they were Americans.
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I hate to say it but if WE as a Nation SIT ON OUR BACKSIDES and allow this to happen.....we have NO ONE to blame but ourselves. This IS OUR Nations HISTORY and to even attempt to make like it never happened and worse PICK and CHOOSE what parts of OUR countries history we will be " ALLOWED " to discuss and teach in our public schools is a Death Sentence to the United States. We cannot know where WE are headed as a Nation....if we're NOT willing to remember where we've been. Do we really want to REPEAT this part of our countries history????
HockeyDad Offline
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I am so progressive that I refuse to acknowledge that there was ever a civil war.
DrafterX Offline
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a few dudes made a fortune off of torches and pitchforks during that war.... Mellow
victor809 Offline
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Wow... you little ladies sure are worried.

There must be some credible evidence that someone is actually interested in taking down this memorial. Right? Something? Anyone? Has a single credible person made any move towards removing any memorial or monument, or is this all fabricated by fringe sites which get paid by the mouse-click and lure you in with headlines like "WILL X be the next Y TO BE Z'ed?!?!?!??!" (the answer is no. it's always no. any time the headline is asking you a question suggesting something outrageous might happen, the answer is no... don't even click, you're giving them money by doing that.)

Hell, in CA we have bills proposed to kill all gay people and I see less hand wringing than this.
delta1 Offline
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My son's and grandson's middle name is Lee. We're going to file a name change petition in civil court...
MACS Offline
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victor809 wrote:
Wow... you little ladies sure are worried.

There must be some credible evidence that someone is actually interested in taking down this memorial. Right? Something? Anyone? Has a single credible person made any move towards removing any memorial or monument, or is this all fabricated by fringe sites which get paid by the mouse-click and lure you in with headlines like "WILL X be the next Y TO BE Z'ed?!?!?!??!" (the answer is no. it's always no. any time the headline is asking you a question suggesting something outrageous might happen, the answer is no... don't even click, you're giving them money by doing that.)

Hell, in CA we have bills proposed to kill all gay people and I see less hand wringing than this.


Here ya go Victor...

http://news.yahoo.com/confederate-flag-symbols-under-fire-183208677.html
Brewha Offline
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Will they also be closing the Civil Service?
DrafterX Offline
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not until Lindsay finishes up.... Not talking
I'm Batman Offline
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These same liberal Jackholes are also trying to take down the Robert E Lee Statue that's been the center of Lee Circle in New Orleans since the 1880's. What's next?
DrafterX Offline
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I heard they're gonna replace it with a Obama statue... Mellow
jetblasted Offline
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Bills to kill gays ??
Brewha Offline
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I'm Batman wrote:
These same liberal Jackholes are also trying to take down the Robert E Lee Statue that's been the center of Lee Circle in New Orleans since the 1880's. What's next?

Sensitivity training.
Yes, it can always get worse…..
teedubbya Offline
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I heard it's being replaced with a kill whitey memorial. oh take my breath away....
DrafterX Offline
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jetblasted wrote:
Bills to kill gays ??



Why do you think the gubment was buying up all the ammo..?? Huh
Brewha Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
I heard it's being replaced with a kill whitey memorial. oh take my breath away....

No – a mosque.
banderl Offline
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I'm Batman wrote:
These same liberal Jackholes are also trying to take down the Robert E Lee Statue that's been the center of Lee Circle in New Orleans since the 1880's. What's next?



Replace it with a Sherman statue.
Gene363 Offline
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Brewha wrote:
Will they also be closing the Civil Service?


You are such a tease! That is just too good to be true.
teedubbya Offline
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banderl wrote:
Replace it with a Sherman statue.


An excellent idea. One with an eternal flame.
Brewha Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
An excellent idea. One with an eternal flame.

A flaming Sherman???
teedubbya Offline
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Brewha wrote:
A flaming Sherman???



absofickinlutely. he should have finished off atlanta though
victor809 Offline
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Macs.... Not a damn thing in that article referenced the Confederate memorial at Arlington.
Bitter Klinger Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
absofickinlutely. he should have finished off atlanta though


Yeah, cause then we'd all be thinking just like the Democrats that started segregation to begin with, right?

Brewha Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
absofickinlutely. he should have finished off atlanta though

But not dressed like Liberace.

I mean I don't care if people are effeminate, but flaming is going a bit too far.
fishinguitarman Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
I am so progressive that I refuse to acknowledge that there was ever a civil war.





There war a civil war? Dam!
delta1 Offline
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I'll bet fewer than 20% of Americans could pick out General Robert E. Lee's photo in a six-pack that includes Ulysses Grant, William Sherman, James Longstreet, Stonewall Jackson and Si Robertson.

But I'd bet more than 90% of Americans recognize the Stars and Bars...it's become a ubiquitous symbol of hate to many people. On the other hand, historical monuments in fixed places are reminders of our past, and can be ignored by those offended by them. We can all learn something about ourselves by maintaining them.
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