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What's the point of Hate Crime laws?
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dstieger Offline
#1 Posted: Wed, Jul 1 2015, 12:32 PM EST
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Are there any hate crimes that are NOT criminal acts if the offender doesn't hate the victim?

Do our lawmakers believe that the addition of stiffer penalties for 'hate crimes' will somehow dissuade those people from committing crimes who are very likely the least rational of all lawbreakers?

I don't get it. Is it just so that newscasters can announce that "Police are investigating this incident as a possible hate crime."? Somehow, I suppose it makes better news that way.
ZRX1200 Offline
#2 Posted: Wed, Jul 1 2015, 12:35 PM EST
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The point protecting potential democrat voters.
Speyside Offline
#3 Posted: Wed, Jul 1 2015, 12:51 PM EST
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It makes double jeopardy possible.
DrafterX Offline
#4 Posted: Wed, Jul 1 2015, 1:00 PM EST
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there should be more laws to protect potential democrat voters..... Mellow
victor809 Offline
#5 Posted: Wed, Jul 1 2015, 1:02 PM EST
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dstieger wrote:
Are there any hate crimes that are NOT criminal acts if the offender doesn't hate the victim?

Do our lawmakers believe that the addition of stiffer penalties for 'hate crimes' will somehow dissuade those people from committing crimes who are very likely the least rational of all lawbreakers?

I don't get it. Is it just so that newscasters can announce that "Police are investigating this incident as a possible hate crime."? Somehow, I suppose it makes better news that way.


I think people look at this stuff out of context way too often, and generally being a group of white males here, everyone seems to think hate crimes are punishment for being white or some crap like that.

What no one seems to remember is it wasn't that long ago that white men could commit crimes against blacks, asians, gays, trans and receive pretty light sentences. The deck was literally stacked in our favor, as a lot of judges had a very similar mindset. If the judge thinks beating a black man for saying "hi" to a white woman is justifiably defending her honor, then it's unlikely that your sentence will really be commensurate with the crime. This way the prosecutor can identify very specific minimum sentencing requirements for these sorts of crimes.


Gene363 Offline
#6 Posted: Wed, Jul 1 2015, 1:11 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
The point protecting potential democrat voters.


Yup, feel good laws enacted by no good politicians.
teedubbya Offline
#7 Posted: Wed, Jul 1 2015, 1:39 PM EST
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It's a crime or it isn't. The hate crime crap is stupid. Although I suppose it has always existed with the whole "with or without malice" thingie
ZRX1200 Offline
#8 Posted: Wed, Jul 1 2015, 2:21 PM EST
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^ like revenge sex Vs makeup sex?
teedubbya Offline
#9 Posted: Wed, Jul 1 2015, 3:53 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
^ like revenge sex Vs makeup sex?



The only difference between those two to me is going from 10 seconds to 12 seconds
tailgater Offline
#10 Posted: Wed, Jul 1 2015, 3:57 PM EST
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How do you count that high when you fingers are otherwise occupied?
teedubbya Offline
#11 Posted: Wed, Jul 1 2015, 4:00 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
How do you count that high when you fingers are otherwise occupied?



I count both of my deeks as well
JadeRose Offline
#12 Posted: Wed, Jul 1 2015, 4:34 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I count both of my deeks as well




Testies.....Testies........1.....2.......3?
elRopo Offline
#13 Posted: Wed, Jul 1 2015, 5:46 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
It makes double jeopardy possible.

^^ This
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