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tonygraz Offline
#1 Posted: Thu, Sep 10 2015, 11:32 PM EST
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The Eisenhower Republican Party vs. Today’s Tea Party Republicans:

In 1956, the Republican Party boasted that under Eisenhower “the Federal minimum wage has been raised for more than 2 million workers.” Today, the Texas Republican Party wants to “repeal the minimum wage.”

In 1956, the Republican Party promised to “extend the protection of the Federal minimum wage laws to as many more workers as is possible and practicable.” Today, the lead Republican in the Senate on labor issues wants to abolish the minimum wage.

In 1956, the Republican Party proudly stated that under Eisenhower “Social Security has been extended to an additional 10 million workers and the benefits raised for 6 1/2 million.” Today, the Texas Republican Party wants to abolish Social Security.

In 1956, the Republican Party platform pledged that it would work to “assure equal pay for equal work regardless of Sex.” Last year, every Republican in the Senate voted against the Paycheck Fairness Act to assure equal pay for equal work.

In 1956, the Republican Party boasted that under Eisenhower “the protection of unemployment insurance has been brought to 4 million additional workers.” Today, the Republican Party wants to end unemployment benefits for hundreds of thousands of Americans who have lost their jobs through no fault of their own.

In 1956, the Republican Party was proud that under Eisenhower, “unions have grown in strength and responsibility, and have increased their membership by 2 million.” Today, Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham said that abolishing the National Labor Relations Board, the federal agency in charge of protecting the rights of workers, would be considered “progress.”

In 1956, the Republican Party said “the protection of the right of workers to organize into unions and to bargain collectively is the firm and permanent policy of the Eisenhower Administration.” Today, Republican Governors and legislators have undermined collective bargaining rights in Wisconsin, Indiana, Ohio and other states.

In 1956, the Republican Party pledged to “maintain and continue the vigorous administration of the Federal prevailing minimum wage law for public supply contracts.” Today, the Republican Party wants to repeal prevailing wage laws and significantly cut the pay of millions of workers.

In 1956, the Republican Party platform stated “Republican action created the Department of Health, Education and Welfare as the first new Federal department in 40 years.” Today, the Texas Republican Party wants to abolish the U.S. Department of Education.
DrafterX Offline
#2 Posted: Fri, Sep 11 2015, 8:13 AM EST
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Did you snopesed this..?? Huh
Speyside Offline
#3 Posted: Fri, Sep 11 2015, 8:46 AM EST
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They bowed to big business.
dstieger Offline
#4 Posted: Fri, Sep 11 2015, 9:34 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
They bowed to big business.


Well, Bernie Sanders, I don't believe its quite that simple.


I think it is complicated. I am a life long registered Republican, but my allegiance has wavered greatly the last few decades. Perot is the only non-Republican that I've voted for in a national election, but I try to approach every election as objectively as possible. I have thought a lot about what's gone wrong....but as I said, its complicated and a number of factors are involved....

- $$ currently prevents third party candidates and independents from being relevant to national conversation. A by-product of this, is that the right becomes the owner of both fiscal and social conservatism - which are not related and makes for confusing, mixed messages

- Fox News and its brethren are a large part of the problem. They're divisive and loud and negative and pander to the edges. Solidifies the 'base', but alienates the opportunities towards the middle. This is compounded by the 'fact' that a more centrist Republican would be hard-pressed to win a primary (Mittens, notwithstanding), but a more right-leaning candidate would struggle in Nov

- I have been able to find one non-white Republican in Congress, Tim Scott. I'm still looking to see if there's any non-Christian Republicans at the Capitol.

-As Frank pointed out, the message, not just from Rush and Fox is overwhelmingly negative. I have no desire to see Trump as president, but he's the only person on the right who has said specifically what he would do (even if it is as farfetched as thinking he can make Mexico write a check for his wall.)

I am so very tired of the bitching about what is wrong with every Democrat and absolute silence about what should be done.....Overturning Roe v Wade, or Reversing Obamacare, or Declaring global warming is a hoax, or screaming about Hillary's transgressions, or tossing out the Iran deal, or .....are not plans for success. The average American has become more socially liberal, or tolerant or whatever --- the Evangelical Right may not like it --- they may even have good reasons; however, nothing in the message the last few years is doing anything other than alienating -- they aren't changing minds or behavior. There is something romantic about the Cruz-ish message that 'I will never compromise my principles....' blah, blah....But, my perception of the reality of governing is that you are elected to represent your constituents' ---- not your personal beliefs and morality. Democratic republic without any compromise is not a recipe for success or progress.

I don't know how to fix it....so I am just another ranter and complainer. But I do think that election finance reform would be a place to start. Figuring how to reach the expanding undecideds, middle, independents, even libertarianist leaning people that aren't going to be registering as Democrats any time soon would be another good step.
Speyside Offline
#5 Posted: Fri, Sep 11 2015, 9:45 AM EST
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^ Mostly agree with you. My statement was very simplistic on nature, but I think accurate as a generalization. I do not think either party represents the majority of Americans. And yes there is no easy answer.
DrafterX Offline
#6 Posted: Fri, Sep 11 2015, 9:50 AM EST
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dstieger wrote:
...But, my perception of the reality of governing is that you are elected to represent your constituents' ---- not your personal beliefs and morality. Democratic republic without any compromise is not a recipe for success or progress.


Applause
ZRX1200 Offline
#7 Posted: Fri, Sep 11 2015, 10:24 AM EST
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Ok....show me the great democratic compromise. I agree that the religious right needs to be more accepting of some differences but that boat floats both ways.

Minimum wage, this cracks me up. Dems who rail about it thinking it should be a "living wage", it's an entry level job. Yet they don't care about illegal laborers taking REAL middle class jobs that Americans WILL DO.

Unions? Really? They were needed at one time but that time is not now. And public employee unions should be illegal. Period.

Social Security is a ponzi scheme. One we've paid into and the government has spent, so there ya go. They can't spend private accounts, which is what we should have. One that the public can't touch until they're either disabled or 55.

Paycheck fairness act. You read everything in that bill Trolly?

Department of health, education etc etc.... tell me how effective these beurocracies are again Troly. Please. These have become important tools in the Democrats use of administrative law. When unpopular ideas take time, you find a way around it. Administrative law and collaborative governance, two major tools in the new lefts tactics.

If it's not in the government’s enumerated powers they shouldn't be doing it period.

frankj1 Offline
#8 Posted: Fri, Sep 11 2015, 1:20 PM EST
Joined: 02-08-2007
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dstieger wrote:
Well, Bernie Sanders, I don't believe its quite that simple.


I think it is complicated. I am a life long registered Republican, but my allegiance has wavered greatly the last few decades. Perot is the only non-Republican that I've voted for in a national election, but I try to approach every election as objectively as possible. I have thought a lot about what's gone wrong....but as I said, its complicated and a number of factors are involved....

- $$ currently prevents third party candidates and independents from being relevant to national conversation. A by-product of this, is that the right becomes the owner of both fiscal and social conservatism - which are not related and makes for confusing, mixed messages

- Fox News and its brethren are a large part of the problem. They're divisive and loud and negative and pander to the edges. Solidifies the 'base', but alienates the opportunities towards the middle. This is compounded by the 'fact' that a more centrist Republican would be hard-pressed to win a primary (Mittens, notwithstanding), but a more right-leaning candidate would struggle in Nov

- I have been able to find one non-white Republican in Congress, Tim Scott. I'm still looking to see if there's any non-Christian Republicans at the Capitol.

-As Frank pointed out, the message, not just from Rush and Fox is overwhelmingly negative. I have no desire to see Trump as president, but he's the only person on the right who has said specifically what he would do (even if it is as farfetched as thinking he can make Mexico write a check for his wall.)

I am so very tired of the bitching about what is wrong with every Democrat and absolute silence about what should be done.....Overturning Roe v Wade, or Reversing Obamacare, or Declaring global warming is a hoax, or screaming about Hillary's transgressions, or tossing out the Iran deal, or .....are not plans for success. The average American has become more socially liberal, or tolerant or whatever --- the Evangelical Right may not like it --- they may even have good reasons; however, nothing in the message the last few years is doing anything other than alienating -- they aren't changing minds or behavior. There is something romantic about the Cruz-ish message that 'I will never compromise my principles....' blah, blah....But, my perception of the reality of governing is that you are elected to represent your constituents' ---- not your personal beliefs and morality. Democratic republic without any compromise is not a recipe for success or progress.

I don't know how to fix it....so I am just another ranter and complainer. But I do think that election finance reform would be a place to start. Figuring how to reach the expanding undecideds, middle, independents, even libertarianist leaning people that aren't going to be registering as Democrats any time soon would be another good step.


Nice work. It felt like you were speaking directly to me.
Brewha Offline
#9 Posted: Fri, Sep 11 2015, 6:08 PM EST
Joined: 01-25-2010
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Ok....show me the great democratic compromise. I agree that the religious right needs to be more accepting of some differences but that boat floats both ways.

Minimum wage, this cracks me up. Dems who rail about it thinking it should be a "living wage", it's an entry level job. Yet they don't care about illegal laborers taking REAL middle class jobs that Americans WILL DO.

Unions? Really? They were needed at one time but that time is not now. And public employee unions should be illegal. Period.

Social Security is a ponzi scheme. One we've paid into and the government has spent, so there ya go. They can't spend private accounts, which is what we should have. One that the public can't touch until they're either disabled or 55.

Paycheck fairness act. You read everything in that bill Trolly?

Department of health, education etc etc.... tell me how effective these beurocracies are again Troly. Please. These have become important tools in the Democrats use of administrative law. When unpopular ideas take time, you find a way around it. Administrative law and collaborative governance, two major tools in the new lefts tactics.

If it's not in the government’s enumerated powers they shouldn't be doing it period.


I don't know Z.....
And you can trust me on that.

You seem to be on the side of only companies having collective bargaining power. That there should be no standard of what a job pays out side of what you can find a slave to take.

The poor are the last people who can effectively fight for what it right and fair.

They told us "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain".
And that's what we do......
ZRX1200 Offline
#10 Posted: Fri, Sep 11 2015, 6:11 PM EST
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No I'm not on that side.

The middle class has been evcerated by both parties on many fronts.
Brewha Offline
#11 Posted: Sat, Sep 12 2015, 12:11 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
No I'm not on that side.

The middle class has been evcerated by both parties on many fronts.

I know that's right.....

In my mind, with the ongoing middle class squeeze and accelerating concentration of wealth into the hands of very few, things like minimum wage and free education make sence. Of cource I also think the Fed is a private baking cartel forcing us all into and endless cycle of debt, so what to I know.......
ZRX1200 Offline
#12 Posted: Sat, Sep 12 2015, 1:30 PM EST
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The education part I have no problem with, it's the federal controls.

But you're a pretty fart smeller.
gummy jones Offline
#13 Posted: Sat, Sep 12 2015, 2:05 PM EST
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you're right, eisenhower policies were unsustainable and we are dealing with those very failures today

thanks for calling him out on it

really can't blame the people for taking advantage of a crappy system
99cobra2881 Offline
#14 Posted: Sat, Sep 12 2015, 8:05 PM EST
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https://www.kshs.org/publicat/history/1990autumn_ferrell.pdf
Brewha Offline
#15 Posted: Sun, Sep 13 2015, 2:50 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
The education part I have no problem with, it's the federal controls.

But you're a pretty fart smeller.

Thanks, but I'm prolly more of a major asset....

Herfing
Brewha Offline
#16 Posted: Sun, Sep 13 2015, 2:59 PM EST
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What bugs me this the common outrage over the little crooks who steal from the system. Hell, people steal from everything. But the real crooks, who take billions from the country not only getaway with it, but arn't even challenge by the system.

Guess the peeps in charge know how to use divide and conquer......
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