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opelmanta1900 Offline
#1 Posted: Wed, Dec 16 2015, 1:30 PM EST
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http://abc30.com/education/kingsburg-student-called-scarf-girl-by-adults-for-wearing-hijab/1124511/

My little town is making the news this week...

Basically, a little Muslim girl decided after a couple Muslims shot up San Bernardino that it was very important for her to start wearing a hijab to school (really, her dad, who I went to high school with, decided for her)....

So she's wearing the thing and messing with it constantly all day... When it falls off during PE, the coach said something to the effect of, "hey scarf girl, either wear it or don't, but you can't quit running to mess with it"....

I guess I went to junior high at kind of a tough school... Our coaches were all body builders and if they had called any of us scarf girl, we would've been grateful for it compared to the usual things they called us...

Pretty sure her dad is just trying to cause problems and wants attention...
Speyside Offline
#2 Posted: Wed, Dec 16 2015, 1:32 PM EST
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Basically WGAF. It is not news worthy.
teedubbya Offline
#3 Posted: Wed, Dec 16 2015, 1:34 PM EST
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people made fun of Drafter for wearing his tightie whities on the outside of his jeans and it was never news
DrafterX Offline
#4 Posted: Wed, Dec 16 2015, 1:35 PM EST
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Mad
teedubbya Offline
#5 Posted: Wed, Dec 16 2015, 1:37 PM EST
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see he is still angry about it
opelmanta1900 Offline
#6 Posted: Wed, Dec 16 2015, 1:45 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Basically WGAF. It is not news worthy.

I give a ****... I'd rather not see our local school system sued because a Muslim kid is overly sensitive... And the coach will probably be charged by the DOJ for a hate crime since protecting Muslims seems to be our governments highest priority... Had it been a white girl wearing a scarf because it was cold not only would it not have made the news, the kid would've been forced to remove it...
teedubbya Offline
#7 Posted: Wed, Dec 16 2015, 1:49 PM EST
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has there been a lawsuit or has anyone been charged? if not then this seems a bit overly dramatic and the over reaction lies with you at this point

"The family attorney said they are not looking for special treatment or a payday-- they just want what's best for their daughter." I guess we just have to take their word for it until they show differently.
dstieger Offline
#8 Posted: Wed, Dec 16 2015, 1:51 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
I give a ****... I'd rather not see our local school system sued because a Muslim kid is overly sensitive... And the coach will probably be charged by the DOJ for a hate crime since protecting Muslims seems to be our governments highest priority... Had it been a white girl wearing a scarf because it was cold not only would it not have made the news, the kid would've been forced to remove it...



overly sensitive??? You're own local news link said "those words are offensive"



It isn't entirely clear if that's Lulu's characterization or the reporter's. Either way, the editor managed to leave them in there. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt; he was probably laughing so hard he missed that part.
Speyside Offline
#9 Posted: Wed, Dec 16 2015, 1:53 PM EST
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You miss my point, this will only be news if the populous make it so. If they do not it gains no momentum. Though I will give you that the DOJ seems to have no interest in anything other than finding hate crimes, which to me seem illegal because they are double jeopardy.
DrafterX Offline
#10 Posted: Wed, Dec 16 2015, 1:57 PM EST
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Has anyone called Trump..?? Huh
cacman Offline
#11 Posted: Wed, Dec 16 2015, 2:03 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Pretty sure her dad is just trying to cause problems and wants attention...

Probably preparing for a lawsuit.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#12 Posted: Wed, Dec 16 2015, 2:04 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
has there been a lawsuit or has anyone been charged? if not then this seems a bit overly dramatic and the over reaction lies with you at this point

"The family attorney said they are not looking for special treatment or a payday-- they just want what's best for their daughter." I guess we just have to take their word for it until they show differently.


Riiiiiiiight... Because everyone hires a lawyer when they aren't looking for a payday... We don't "have to take" anyone at their word... Actions speak much louder....
teedubbya Offline
#13 Posted: Wed, Dec 16 2015, 2:05 PM EST
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has there been a lawsuit or has anyone been charged? or are you just filling in some blanks?
cacman Offline
#14 Posted: Wed, Dec 16 2015, 2:24 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
has there been a lawsuit or has anyone been charged?

That will happen tomorrow after the big "O" lectures us on profiling.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#15 Posted: Wed, Dec 16 2015, 2:29 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
has there been a lawsuit or has anyone been charged? or are you just filling in some blanks?


I really don't expect anyone to be charged, I said that tongue in cheek....

Pretty short sighted on your part to not be able to see that when someones first reaction to their child being called a name at school is to hire a lawyer that they intend to sue... You probably still believe clock boy is some kind of genius inventor... I mean, you have to take his word on it...
teedubbya Offline
#16 Posted: Wed, Dec 16 2015, 3:10 PM EST
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or you may be filling in blanks and may have different experiences than others.... im not sure I'm short sighted here, I just know if you fill in gaps in information with what fits your projection or mold you usually end up wrong.

I have a lawyer I consult and has spoken for me before and yet I've never sued anyone nor do I intend to..... it's nice to know people assume I will though.

will you fill us in when nothing comes of this or only if something does?
DrafterX Offline
#17 Posted: Wed, Dec 16 2015, 4:03 PM EST
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Macs just threatened ****** cancer and got his point across... Mellow
gummy jones Offline
#18 Posted: Wed, Dec 16 2015, 4:22 PM EST
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if the clock bomb kid wants 15 million this chic deserves at least that much
DrafterX Offline
#19 Posted: Wed, Dec 16 2015, 4:36 PM EST
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screw the clock bomb kid... Not talking
Mikekoz13 Offline
#20 Posted: Thu, Dec 17 2015, 8:11 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
screw the clock bomb kid... Not talking


That little **** and his father knew exactly what they were doing....
DrMaddVibe Offline
#21 Posted: Thu, Dec 17 2015, 8:55 AM EST
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I'm pretty sure there's some laws on the books that would prevent anyone screwing kids.
tailgater Offline
#22 Posted: Thu, Dec 17 2015, 9:36 AM EST
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Did the parents go to the school first, or to their lawyer?

What parent consults a with a lawyer because of a crass comment from a gym teacher?

If this family doesn't sue, it won't be due to lack of effort. It will be because the lawyer determines there is no case.

Fact.
DrafterX Offline
#23 Posted: Thu, Dec 17 2015, 9:39 AM EST
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If the scarf don't fit, they must acquit... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#24 Posted: Thu, Dec 17 2015, 9:40 AM EST
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actually at this point it's opinion.... it may end up being true but its an opinion.... I know you struggle with that
DrMaddVibe Offline
#25 Posted: Thu, Dec 17 2015, 9:41 AM EST
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EVERYONE struggles with the Truth
teedubbya Offline
#26 Posted: Thu, Dec 17 2015, 9:42 AM EST
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didn't he retire?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#27 Posted: Thu, Dec 17 2015, 9:43 AM EST
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The Truth is the Truth.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#28 Posted: Thu, Dec 17 2015, 12:01 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Did the parents go to the school first, or to their lawyer?

What parent consults a with a lawyer because of a crass comment from a gym teacher?

If this family doesn't sue, it won't be due to lack of effort. It will be because the lawyer determines there is no case.

Fact.



Parents went to the lawyer, lawyer went to the school... All common sense and logic - what tw calls filing in blanks - indicate this will end in an attempted lawsuit... I won't go as far as to call it a fact, but it's an opinion based on logic as opposed to an opinion based on the words of someone whose actions speak to the contrary.... You can't believe everything you hear, especially when you hear it from a lawyer....
victor809 Offline
#29 Posted: Thu, Dec 17 2015, 12:10 PM EST
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So... Lawyers and "evil Muslims" aside... The teacher still acted inappropriately. I don't know about any of you people who have kids and like them, but as a non kid having person I would expect the adults at a school to act with a professional attitude and manner regardless of whether they personally suspect the kid is doing whatever they're doing for attention.... It's simply an inappropriate interaction with a student.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#30 Posted: Thu, Dec 17 2015, 12:37 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
So... Lawyers and "evil Muslims" aside... The teacher still acted inappropriately. I don't know about any of you people who have kids and like them, but as a non kid having person I would expect the adults at a school to act with a professional attitude and manner regardless of whether they personally suspect the kid is doing whatever they're doing for attention.... It's simply an inappropriate interaction with a student.


Totally disagree... If my son was wearing a hat and the PE coach called him hat boy, no harm no foul... If he comes home crying about it, I'll tell him to toughen up... PE coaches call kids by nicknames... If you watch any movie with any kind of coach, chances are you'll see the coach call the kids by anything but their actual name... That's not just a product of Hollywood, it's a common characteristic of people like that...

Kind of out of character for you victor... You're all for kicking the homeless but a meat head PE coach can't call kids nicknames based on their attire?
DrafterX Offline
#31 Posted: Thu, Dec 17 2015, 12:57 PM EST
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I had a coach hit me in da face with a dodgeball once.. knocked me off my feet and a few feet backwards.. I was in 4th grade I think.. it hurt but I didn't sue or nothin... Mellow
victor809 Offline
#32 Posted: Thu, Dec 17 2015, 12:59 PM EST
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The kids have homes and taxpaying parents. That makes them count. ;)

If a boy went to PE wearing a gold cross necklace and the coach called him jewelry boy or something it would also be inappropriate. Teachers are not children and should be held to professional standards when interacting with their charges.

(Incidentally, PE teachers are still allowed to beat the homeless in my opinion)
opelmanta1900 Offline
#33 Posted: Thu, Dec 17 2015, 1:47 PM EST
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Still have to disagree with you.... I think a boy who wears a cross necklace to PE probably should be called jewelry boy...
dstieger Offline
#34 Posted: Thu, Dec 17 2015, 1:50 PM EST
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As long as he wasn't called Jewry boy. THAT'd be inappropriate...but funny...on second thought maybe not even inappropriate....just funny
Mikekoz13 Offline
#35 Posted: Thu, Dec 17 2015, 1:51 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
So... Lawyers and "evil Muslims" aside... The teacher still acted inappropriately. I don't know about any of you people who have kids and like them, but as a non kid having person I would expect the adults at a school to act with a professional attitude and manner regardless of whether they personally suspect the kid is doing whatever they're doing for attention.... It's simply an inappropriate interaction with a student.


This part of your statement is the problem. You don't have kids in the school system but I do. I've learned over the last 5 or so years that there are a LOT of people that work for the school system that are NOT professional. Most of those have been administrators not teachers.
teedubbya Offline
#36 Posted: Thu, Dec 17 2015, 2:05 PM EST
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It's a guess. Maybe even an educated guess (maybe not) but it clearly is not a fact and does fill in some blanks. When our mind fills in those blanks we make a different mad lib based on our bias. To you its very true... to you its logic. We have very little direct info here.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#37 Posted: Thu, Dec 17 2015, 2:20 PM EST
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Mikekoz13 wrote:
This part of your statement is the problem. You don't have kids in the school system but I do. I've learned over the last 5 or so years that there are a LOT of people that work for the school system that are NOT professional. Most of those have been administrators not teachers.





I used to have a middle school teacher who would play "the early release eraser game"... About ten minutes before class ended he'd start throwing a chalk board eraser at people... If you caught it you got to leave class... But there was never a warning as to when the game was starting... Sometimes they were nice under hand throws and sometimes you took a line drive to the face...

Same teacher used to write things like "infected" or "smelly" on post it notes and secretly put them on students backs during class...

He was a great teacher, but professional he was not...
teedubbya Offline
#38 Posted: Thu, Dec 17 2015, 2:25 PM EST
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did he do it to everyone or were you really infected and smelly and deserving of an eraser to the face?
tailgater Offline
#39 Posted: Thu, Dec 17 2015, 4:06 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
So... Lawyers and "evil Muslims" aside... The teacher still acted inappropriately. I don't know about any of you people who have kids and like them, but as a non kid having person I would expect the adults at a school to act with a professional attitude and manner regardless of whether they personally suspect the kid is doing whatever they're doing for attention.... It's simply an inappropriate interaction with a student.


Yes. The teacher was wrong.

Let's call our lawyer.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#40 Posted: Thu, Dec 17 2015, 4:10 PM EST
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So some interesting developments...

1. This made national news

2. CAIR is now involved

3. Local police are now investigating this as a -you guessed it - hate crime
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#41 Posted: Thu, Dec 17 2015, 4:15 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
I had a coach hit me in da face with a dodgeball once.. knocked me off my feet and a few feet backwards.. I was in 4th grade I think.. it hurt but I didn't sue or nothin... Mellow


Did you ask him why he hated America just before it happened ?
tailgater Offline
#42 Posted: Thu, Dec 17 2015, 4:15 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
actually at this point it's opinion.... it may end up being true but its an opinion.... I know you struggle with that


No struggle. It's fun to watch you pee yourself, though.

Riddle me this: why would the parents contact a lawyer rather than the principal or other authority figure first?

there is only one HONEST answer. And there in lies the rub.
So don't be so naive.
If it walks like a duck...
tailgater Offline
#43 Posted: Thu, Dec 17 2015, 4:16 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
I had a coach hit me in da face with a dodgeball once.. knocked me off my feet and a few feet backwards.. I was in 4th grade I think.. it hurt but I didn't sue or nothin... Mellow


So you and TW both took a ball to the face from a teacher...
tailgater Offline
#44 Posted: Thu, Dec 17 2015, 4:17 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
It's a guess. Maybe even an educated guess (maybe not) but it clearly is not a fact and does fill in some blanks. When our mind fills in those blanks we make a different mad lib based on our bias. To you its very true... to you its logic. We have very little direct info here.


I'm basing my "opinion" on the information as presented here.
I honestly couldn't care less either way. It's just a conversation on a cigar forum.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#45 Posted: Thu, Dec 17 2015, 4:18 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
did he do it to everyone or were you really infected and smelly and deserving of an eraser to the face?

All 7th graders are smelly, infected with stupidity, and equally deserving of an eraser to the face... Mr olive was very equal opportunity in all his practices... Except with Latrice who made it clear to him that "you bes' not be puttin none them notes up on my back missa olive"... Mr olive was smart enough to listen to her... She wasn't playing... Saw her knock a Samoan dude out once...
teedubbya Offline
#46 Posted: Thu, Dec 17 2015, 5:30 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
No struggle. It's fun to watch you pee yourself, though.

Riddle me this: why would the parents contact a lawyer rather than the principal or other authority figure first?

there is only one HONEST answer. And there in lies the rub.
So don't be so naive.
If it walks like a duck...








im my billy madison voice...its cool to pee yourself

yea I suppose there could be no other reason [rolling eyes]
victor809 Offline
#47 Posted: Thu, Dec 17 2015, 6:32 PM EST
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Tail... Perhaps I'm wrong but I'm under the impression that there isn't any debate over the teacher having said that. If they did, in my mind they were wrong to. Sounds to me like mocking a child who is standing out of the group as being different... Whether that's for religious reasons (if they were wearing that Jewish hat and got called beanie kid, that would also be wrong).... Or whatever other reasons a kid may stand out. It isn't appropriate for a teacher in a position of authority to be mocking that difference.

Do I think lawyers are necessary? No, but I don't usually think lawyers are necessary. The whole thing could have been solved by the father beating the pe teacher like a homeless man.... But someone here would probably whine about that solution as well... :)
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#48 Posted: Fri, Dec 18 2015, 6:22 AM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
So some interesting developments...

1. This made national news

2. CAIR is now involved

3. Local police are now investigating this as a -you guessed it - hate crime




Not in the least bit surprised....in fact was expecting this!!!!!
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#49 Posted: Fri, Dec 18 2015, 7:07 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Has anyone called Trump..?? Huh


You can't until the suit has been broken.
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