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DrafterX Offline
#1 Posted: Fri, Mar 25 2016, 11:51 AM EST
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Just choose whatever works for you...
Obama



Think


“So often in the past there has been a division between left and right, between capitalists and communists or socialists, and especially in the Americas, that’s been a big debate,” Obama said.

“Those are interesting intellectual arguments, but I think for your generation, you should be practical and just choose from what works. You don’t have to worry about whether it really fits into socialist theory or capitalist theory. You should just decide what works,” he added.

Film at 11.... Mellow
Speyside Offline
#2 Posted: Fri, Mar 25 2016, 1:20 PM EST
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LMAO, he really thinks Socialism works!
DrafterX Offline
#3 Posted: Fri, Mar 25 2016, 2:04 PM EST
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That's what I heard... Mellow
Brewha Offline
#4 Posted: Fri, Mar 25 2016, 5:39 PM EST
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And this is where Amerikens go wrong en masse'.

None of these social approaches by themselves work - at all. It is always a mix of the methods and philosophes.

Unbridled capitalism must have the socialism of roads and fire departments.
Communisum fails without some of the free market of capitalism.

This country MUST have a good and balanced mix - it's right, proper, American, and unlike my brother in law, it will work.
tonygraz Offline
#5 Posted: Sat, Mar 26 2016, 12:04 AM EST
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Thanks Brewski, I was too tired to splain it to the huddled masses.
tailgater Offline
#6 Posted: Sat, Mar 26 2016, 10:28 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
And this is where Amerikens go wrong en masse'.

None of these social approaches by themselves work - at all. It is always a mix of the methods and philosophes.

Unbridled capitalism must have the socialism of roads and fire departments.
Communisum fails without some of the free market of capitalism.

This country MUST have a good and balanced mix - it's right, proper, American, and unlike my brother in law, it will work.


Roads and fire departments are socialist?
LOL!

Capitalism is about the economics of a country.
Centralized governments that provide roads, govern laws, and coordinate defense does not diminish this fact.
You seem to think that capitalism = zero taxes, zero government.
That's hogwash.

Roads and public services is not what defines socialism.

The lines can become blurred in relation to range and scope (education and healthcare being in the forefront), but infrastructure and protection are neither exclusive nor inclusive of any economic system.
Not by definition, and not by intent.
ZRX1200 Offline
#7 Posted: Sat, Mar 26 2016, 10:33 AM EST
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True capitalism has never existed in America.

Pure Communism has been tried, and Socialism. They don't work. Nothing in this world including religion has killed as many people as Socialism and Communism.
Covfireman Offline
#8 Posted: Sat, Mar 26 2016, 2:37 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
True capitalism has never existed in America.

Pure Communism has been tried, and Socialism. They don't work. Nothing in this world including religion has killed as many people as Socialism and Communism.


The inquisition, the thirty year war , and the colonization of the Americas a start on religious wars that's about 175-200 million deaths off the top of my head due to Christianity.
QMPASH Offline
#9 Posted: Sat, Mar 26 2016, 3:40 PM EST
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Don't forget 60 million deaths, a rough count because the true figure will never be known, due to the Nazis in World War II.
ZRX1200 Offline
#10 Posted: Sat, Mar 26 2016, 5:56 PM EST
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Yeah those Mormon Nazis.
teddyballgame Offline
#11 Posted: Sat, Mar 26 2016, 8:45 PM EST
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Covfireman wrote:
The inquisition, the thirty year war , and the colonization of the Americas a start on religious wars that's about 175-200 million deaths off the top of my head due to Christianity.



This is very interesting.

How many deaths do you attribute to the Spanish Inquisition alone?
teddyballgame Offline
#12 Posted: Sat, Mar 26 2016, 8:46 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Roads and fire departments are socialist?
LOL!

Capitalism is about the economics of a country.
Centralized governments that provide roads, govern laws, and coordinate defense does not diminish this fact.
You seem to think that capitalism = zero taxes, zero government.
That's hogwash.

Roads and public services is not what defines socialism.

The lines can become blurred in relation to range and scope (education and healthcare being in the forefront), but infrastructure and protection are neither exclusive nor inclusive of any economic system.
Not by definition, and not by intent.




+1 to this
8trackdisco Offline
#13 Posted: Sun, Mar 27 2016, 11:05 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
And this is where Amerikens go wrong en masse'.

None of these social approaches by themselves work - at all. It is always a mix of the methods and philosophes.

Unbridled capitalism must have the socialism of roads and fire departments.
Communisum fails without some of the free market of capitalism.

This country MUST have a good and balanced mix - it's right, proper, American, and unlike my brother in law, it will work.


How DARE you offer such a measured, pragmatic approach.

Get on the Left or Right, scream like a banshee the other side is unAmerican.

This isn't the year of Reason.
Brewha Offline
#14 Posted: Sun, Mar 27 2016, 11:53 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Roads and fire departments are socialist?
LOL!

Capitalism is about the economics of a country.
Centralized governments that provide roads, govern laws, and coordinate defense does not diminish this fact.
You seem to think that capitalism = zero taxes, zero government.
That's hogwash.

Roads and public services is not what defines socialism.

The lines can become blurred in relation to range and scope (education and healthcare being in the forefront), but infrastructure and protection are neither exclusive nor inclusive of any economic system.
Not by definition, and not by intent.


Capitalism, being an economic system, really does not encompass road building or fire departments for the common good. However, these tenets are obviously part of socialism.

It sounds like you agree that capitalism cannot stand on its own.
Brewha Offline
#15 Posted: Sun, Mar 27 2016, 11:59 AM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
...... Nothing in this world including religion has killed as many people as Socialism and Communism.

Except old age.


And heart disease.

And strokes,
Not to mention eating too much chocolate at Easter......
Speyside Offline
#16 Posted: Sun, Mar 27 2016, 4:20 PM EST
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Brewha, you are way off base on this. It is eating to much ham on Easter.
JadeRose Offline
#17 Posted: Sun, Mar 27 2016, 4:55 PM EST
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teddyballgame wrote:
This is very interesting.

How many deaths do you attribute to the Spanish Inquisition alone?




and the funny thing is...no one expected it.
jjanecka Offline
#18 Posted: Sun, Mar 27 2016, 5:36 PM EST
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The issue here in the united states is who should be in control of the socialised systems. The Federal Government or the State. I say the State should have ultimate say-so as to what goes where and the federal government should have very little power or control over those things.
jjanecka Offline
#19 Posted: Sun, Mar 27 2016, 5:36 PM EST
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The issue here in the united states is who should be in control of the socialised systems. The Federal Government or the State. I say the State should have ultimate say-so as to what goes where and the federal government should have very little power or control over those things.
tailgater Offline
#20 Posted: Sun, Mar 27 2016, 6:44 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Capitalism, being an economic system, really does not encompass road building or fire departments for the common good. However, these tenets are obviously part of socialism.

It sounds like you agree that capitalism cannot stand on its own.


You sound like a politician.

I'm saying road building and fire departments are NEITHER born from capitalism nor from socialism.

As for capitalism "standing on its own"? Sure. I agree that any economic structure can not exist without a centralized governing entity. Why do you ask?
dstieger Offline
#21 Posted: Mon, Mar 28 2016, 9:17 AM EST
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teddyballgame wrote:
This is very interesting.

How many deaths do you attribute to the Spanish Inquisition alone?


No one expects the Spanish Inquisition
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