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tonygraz Offline
#1 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 11:25 AM EST
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http://usuncut.com/politics/see-how-much-nra-paid-your-senator/
Buckwheat Offline
#2 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 11:40 AM EST
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I absolutely believe that it is insane that we have a no fly list and that these same people are not prevented from legally purchasing a firearm in the US. None of the "rights" in the Bill of Rights are absolute. Why are we making it so easy for these people to buy firearms? INSANE!!! horse ram27bat fog
gummy jones Offline
#3 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 11:49 AM EST
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I think if the list weren't super duper secret and we were aware of what it takes to get on it people would listen. Our government is based on due process and such a list is the complete opposite of that.

I personally don't trust our handlers with such power. Not when it comes to constitutional rights. If these folks are so dangerous why aren't we getting warrants to round them up? Why are they even here?

dstieger Offline
#4 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 11:54 AM EST
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gummy jones wrote:
Our government is based on due process and such a list is the complete opposite of that.


And here, I was fairly certain that its based on money, PAC's, money, lobbyists, and...well, money...or favors and 'future considerations' that translate to money.

I don't completely buy the arguments that you can't use the no fly lists to ban certain individuals from buying owning firearms because there's something wrong with the lists....If that's the case, then fix the lists...and, by all means, use them to prevent fly-risks from buying/owning firearms.
DrafterX Offline
#5 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 11:56 AM EST
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Yep... very probable someone like Lois Lerner is making that list. .. Mellow
deadeyedick Offline
#6 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 11:56 AM EST
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I agree that people on the no fly list should need a review before purchasing any firearm but the list is full of errors and there is little recourse to get mistakes corrected. One of my good friends with a very common name (Johnson) was denied boarding for many months before he could prove he was not the correct subject.
dstieger Offline
#7 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 12:08 PM EST
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My thoughts on 2nd amendment are a bit gray. It is my fuzzy understanding that it is in the Bill of Rights because an armed citizenry for 'defense' was preferred over a standing army, which was perceived as a threat to liberty. Not just defense against foreign aggression, but against corruption of our own government. (Not so much trying to preserve the right to kill other people outside of defense or armed conflict, perhaps.) The national standing army is pretty well accepted as 'normal', now and probably isn't going anywhere anytime soon. And, while it seemed like a good idea to our founding fathers, an armed population prepared to take up arms against our government probably doesn't sound like a very good idea to most people. (Most people not closely associated with cbid politics forum, anyway.) So its sort of a tricky question...should we allow everyone to be armed with whatever weapons they choose to assist in defense of the nation and/or rebellion? If not, maybe some sort of 'control' should be considered?

For me, once I hear a definition that distinguishes 'assault weapons' from what I'd consider to be 'commonly accepted hunting weapons', I'll support legal limits on those assault weapons.
gummy jones Offline
#8 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 12:08 PM EST
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dstieger wrote:
And here, I was fairly certain that its based on money, PAC's, money, lobbyists, and...well, money...or favors and 'future considerations' that translate to money.

I don't completely buy the arguments that you can't use the no fly lists to ban certain individuals from buying owning firearms because there's something wrong with the lists....If that's the case, then fix the lists...and, by all means, use them to prevent fly-risks from buying/owning firearms.

I like to think that our rights still trump money and greed but tyranny remains only a generation away.
Buckwheat Offline
#9 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 12:19 PM EST
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gummy jones wrote:
I think if the list weren't super duper secret and we were aware of what it takes to get on it people would listen. Our government is based on due process and such a list is the complete opposite of that.

I personally don't trust our handlers with such power. Not when it comes to constitutional rights. If these folks are so dangerous why aren't we getting warrants to round them up? Why are they even here?




You answered your own question on "Why aren't these folks getting rounded up and why are they even here". Due process.

I agree that the whole process needs to be more transparent. fog
ZRX1200 Offline
#10 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 12:20 PM EST
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But NARAL & Planned Parenthood aren't blood money.

NRA is the biggest Civil Rights organization in the US trolly.

2nd & 4th.
jjanecka Offline
#11 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 1:33 PM EST
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Mandatory firearm education should take place in public schools starting in the 1st grade. Start them off with airsoft, then move to BB guns and by the time they are in highschool let them learn rifles and shotguns.

Education is the only way to destroy gun violence. Of everyone treated firearms the same way and respected them the same way there wouldn't be as many accodents and crazy shootings.
DrafterX Offline
#12 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 1:35 PM EST
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When will we teach them lawn darts..?? at some point they will have to learn lawn dart safety or they'll start dropping them off skyscrapers and stuff.... Mellow
Buckwheat Offline
#13 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 2:23 PM EST
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jjanecka wrote:
Mandatory firearm education should take place in public schools starting in the 1st grade. Start them off with airsoft, then move to BB guns and by the time they are in highschool let them learn rifles and shotguns.

Education is the only way to destroy gun violence. Of everyone treated firearms the same way and respected them the same way there wouldn't be as many accodents and crazy shootings.


Education is important but I don't believe it will do much to prevent the crazy shootings because they're done by people who have mental issues (i.e. Crazy). fog
ZRX1200 Offline
#14 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 2:26 PM EST
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I'm glad so many fewer people are hurt by automobiles since we have licensing , insurance and testing n stuff Mellow
Buckwheat Offline
#15 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 2:31 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I'm glad so many fewer people are hurt by automobiles since we have licensing , insurance and testing n stuff Mellow


I think a person would have a hard time killing 50 people in a bar with one car; licensed or not. horse

I stand by my first post: I think it is crazy that someone can be prevented from flying on a plane but can go out and legally purchase a semi-automatic weapon without any question. fog
DrafterX Offline
#16 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 2:35 PM EST
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Obama or Hillary's not gonna tell the FBI they screwed up right now tho... Mellow



but the list itself is flawed.. even so it should have sent flags out.. Mellow
ZRX1200 Offline
#17 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 3:00 PM EST
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Monica_Farmers_Market_crash

Apology accepted.
jjanecka Offline
#18 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 3:11 PM EST
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I agree, education alone will not stop the shooters but an educated shooter has a better chance than an uninformed liberal.
Mr. Jones Offline
#19 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 3:14 PM EST
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Forget background checks on ANYBODY...

SURE it's a GREAT idea and is widely
Implemented except for certain functions...
Gun shows in PA HAVE BACKGROUND CHECKS.

BUT,
GO TO ANY FLEA MARKET OR call a NEWSPAPER gun AD..
and you can buy a gun with:
NO I.D.
NO BACKGROUND CHECK
NO REGISTRATION
NO RECIEPT , EITHER

COLD HARD CASH AND WALK away armed...
DrafterX Offline
#20 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 3:16 PM EST
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STILLWATER, Okla.... Oct 25, 2015 -- A driver plowed into a crowd of spectators Saturday during the Oklahoma State homecoming parade, killing four people -- including a toddler -- and injuring almost four dozen others, police said.

Stillwater police Capt. Kyle Gibbs said the woman's sedan struck an unoccupied motorcycle of an officer, who was working security at the parade, then went into the crowd. The woman, Adacia Chambers, 25, of Stillwater, was taken into custody on a charge of driving under the influence, and Gibbs said investigators were awaiting the results of blood tests to determine whether she was impaired by drugs or alcohol.

The Cowboys appeared to succeed in helping with the grieving process after another tragedy struck the school on Saturday morning.
Oklahoma University Medical Center and The Children's Hospital announced in a statement Saturday night that a 2-year-old boy was the latest to die from injuries caused by the morning crash.

Gibbs said Sunday that 23-year-old Nakita Prabhakar, 65-year-old Bonnie Jean Stone and 65-year-old Marvin Lyle Stone were killed in the crash. The name of the 2-year-old boy who died was not provided.

Gibbs said 47 other people were injured in the collision, including five who remained in critical condition early Sunday.


Pray
jjanecka Offline
#21 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 3:43 PM EST
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THAT'S IT BACKGROUND CHECKS FOR CARS
Speyside Offline
#22 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 4:06 PM EST
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Silly me, I thought the NRA was protecting my constitutional rights. So alowing the government to alter the constitution in an illegal manner is in our best interests? Why stop at assault rifles, um maybe this is what law abiding gun owners and the NRA are fighting to stop from happening?
DrafterX Offline
#23 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 4:12 PM EST
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I heard they're running guns into Mexico to scare the public into buying memberships... or somethin like that.. Think
Abrignac Offline
#24 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 6:27 PM EST
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It does make one wonder why the lobby who feels it's acceptable to allow abortions which terminate some 1/2 millions unborn lives, yet the very same lobby wants to confiscate firearms which terminate about 1% as many lives each year in the US.

If gun control were truly about saving lives it seems that lobby is wasting a lot of money and effort when they could save100 times more lives with a different agenda.
99cobra2881 Offline
#25 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 6:57 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
It does make one wonder why the lobby who feels it's acceptable to allow abortions which terminate some 1/2 millions unborn lives, yet the very same lobby wants to confiscate firearms which terminate about 1% as many lives each year in the US.

If gun control were truly about saving lives it seems that lobby is wasting a lot of money and effort when they could save100 times more lives with a different agenda.


It's more about control than it is about the gun. Some people won't be happy until they're being loaded into cattle cars.

America has been unlike any other place on earth now people are actively trying to make it like every other place.
ZRX1200 Offline
#26 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 7:07 PM EST
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Yup.
Brewha Offline
#27 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 7:11 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
It does make one wonder why the lobby who feels it's acceptable to allow abortions which terminate some 1/2 millions unborn lives, yet the very same lobby wants to confiscate firearms which terminate about 1% as many lives each year in the US.

If gun control were truly about saving lives it seems that lobby is wasting a lot of money and effort when they could save100 times more lives with a different agenda.

Ah, more misdirection.
will you pull a rabbit out of a hat next?
Abrignac Offline
#28 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 7:20 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Ah, more misdirection.
will you pull a rabbit out of a hat next?


So you're implying that 5,000 deaths are significant, but 500,000 are not? In other words, since it doesn't fit the agenda we shouldn't discuss it?
Brewha Offline
#29 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 7:42 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
So you're implying that 5,000 deaths are significant, but 500,000 are not? In other words, since it doesn't fit the agenda we shouldn't discuss it?

Oh, you may infer that - but it would be mistaken.
By design I suppose?
frankj1 Offline
#30 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 8:40 PM EST
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Lebron gets blamed for everything...sorry, I thought it said NBA.
MACS Offline
#31 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 8:45 PM EST
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Mr. Jones wrote:
Forget background checks on ANYBODY...

SURE it's a GREAT idea and is widely
Implemented except for certain functions...
Gun shows in PA HAVE BACKGROUND CHECKS.

BUT,
GO TO ANY FLEA MARKET OR call a NEWSPAPER gun AD..
and you can buy a gun with:
NO I.D.
NO BACKGROUND CHECK
NO REGISTRATION
NO RECIEPT , EITHER

COLD HARD CASH AND WALK away armed...


NOT LEGALLY.
tonygraz Offline
#32 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 9:30 PM EST
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I saw the car argument used during the Vietnam war, makes about as much sense as the Portland Pooper.
Maybe we should send the bad drivers in cars to fight our wars.
Mr. Jones Offline
#33 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 10:04 PM EST
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#30 MACS...

You live in California,
Nothing is legal there except WEED... :)--- ~~~

In PA,
Everything in my post is legal.
FOR LONG GUNS only ( not pistols).
You should see all the guns and the old grandpa's
Selling them by the trunkloads to
COMPLETE STRANGERS with no background
Checks at all...

To these rural country MKT sellers...
CASH talks and bullsheet walks.

I was at a flea market just today,
If I would've had the money... I had the choice
of at least 75 rifles and shotguns from about
6-7 different vendors...
It is totally legal and has been for decades.
tonygraz Offline
#34 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 10:08 PM EST
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And you wonder why criminals have guns.
frankj1 Offline
#35 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 10:50 PM EST
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actually, I'm wondering why they steal them.
Gene363 Offline
#36 Posted: Wed, Jun 22 2016, 12:34 AM EST
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Damm skippy, and the NRA is funded by members. They are doing just what we want them to do, in fact, I want them to be more aggressive.

If you want to allow some bureaucrat to decide if can fly on an airplane or buy a rifle, without due process or recourse you're a moron and need to consider moving to Mexico, China, Russia or perhaps Iran where they will be happy to accommodate your desires.
gummy jones Offline
#37 Posted: Wed, Jun 22 2016, 7:40 AM EST
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Buckwheat wrote:
You answered your own question on "Why aren't these folks getting rounded up and why are they even here". Due process.

I agree that the whole process needs to be more transparent. fog


notice where i said get warrants and round them up (aka put them on trial and seek convictions)

you know, due process

the fact of the matter is that every effort is made to protect these people and their rights to fit one agenda when out of the other side of our mouth use them (while throwing a bunch of others into the "them" category) to push another, opposite agenda
gummy jones Offline
#38 Posted: Wed, Jun 22 2016, 7:43 AM EST
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Buckwheat wrote:
Education is important but I don't believe it will do much to prevent the crazy shootings because they're done by people who have mental issues (i.e. Crazy). fog


so you are proposing more "crazy" control

i think i can agree with that

but we will probably have to address break down of the family and accountability, the garbage economy, substance use/abuse and a whole host of other things

we're gonna need a bigger boat Think
tailgater Offline
#39 Posted: Wed, Jun 22 2016, 9:21 AM EST
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Buckwheat wrote:
I think it is crazy that someone can be prevented from flying on a plane but can go out and legally purchase a semi-automatic weapon without any question. fog


1. Flying is a privilege, not a right as defined by the Constitution and her amendments.
2. Without any questions? I though you would need at least a license.
ZRX1200 Offline
#40 Posted: Wed, Jun 22 2016, 9:42 AM EST
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#38 NAILED it.

Also where is the outrage for our leadership, if you think they're doing everything reasonably possible you're a fool.
Buckwheat Offline
#41 Posted: Wed, Jun 22 2016, 10:00 AM EST
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gummy jones wrote:
so you are proposing more "crazy" control

but we will probably have to address break down of the family and accountability, the garbage economy, substance use/abuse and a whole host of other things

we're gonna need a bigger boat Think


I never proposed more "crazy" control in any of my posts. I just think it is crazy to allow people who are on 'No fly lists' to just walk in an buy a gun without any questions.

I agree that we need to address the things you mentioned.

ZRX1200 wrote:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Monica_Farmers_Market_crash

Apology accepted.


10 people killed by accident by an old man is not the same as intentionally killing 49 people. Nice try but the two just aren't the same. horse
ZRX1200 Offline
#42 Posted: Wed, Jun 22 2016, 10:13 AM EST
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Yeah, he wasn't even trying......


I think you missed the point.
ZRX1200 Offline
#43 Posted: Wed, Jun 22 2016, 12:26 PM EST
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n98Urhcde_A

At the end.....IF HE WOULD HAVE BEEN.
DrafterX Offline
#44 Posted: Wed, Jun 22 2016, 1:06 PM EST
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http://video.foxnews.com/v/4973092782001/reporters-attempt-to-expose-background-checks-backfires/?intcmp=hpvid1#sp=show-clips

Think
Gene363 Offline
#45 Posted: Wed, Jun 22 2016, 3:40 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n98Urhcde_A

At the end.....IF HE WOULD HAVE BEEN.


The biotch, "...just prove you're innocent" She would fit right into the gulag system.
DrafterX Offline
#46 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2016, 10:08 AM EST
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DEVELOPING: A gunman in a mask stormed a movie theater in western Germany Friday and opened fire wounding several people, local media reported.

The unidentified shooter reportedly barricaded himself inside. Police surrounded the theater, BBC News reported.

Investigators would not immediately confirm the number of wounded, but described it as a "threat situation."

The Kinopolis movie theater is located in Viernheim, approximately 40 miles south of Frankfurt.

Police in the nearby city of Mannheim sent officers to support the operation, spokesman Norbert Schaetzle told reporters

Film at 11.... Mellow





If only it were illegal to shoot people in theaters in Germany... Sad
gummy jones Offline
#47 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2016, 10:45 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
DEVELOPING: A gunman in a mask stormed a movie theater in western Germany Friday and opened fire wounding several people, local media reported.

The unidentified shooter reportedly barricaded himself inside. Police surrounded the theater, BBC News reported.

Investigators would not immediately confirm the number of wounded, but described it as a "threat situation."

The Kinopolis movie theater is located in Viernheim, approximately 40 miles south of Frankfurt.

Police in the nearby city of Mannheim sent officers to support the operation, spokesman Norbert Schaetzle told reporters

Film at 11.... Mellow





If only it were illegal to shoot people in theaters in Germany... Sad


does the nra never quit!?!?
does their blood lust know no bounds!?!?
ZRX1200 Offline
#48 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2016, 11:06 AM EST
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Apparently their blood lust has a passport.
Gene363 Offline
#49 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2016, 12:17 PM EST
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But they have strict gun laws in Germany! d'oh! d'oh! d'oh!
Gene363 Offline
#50 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2016, 12:17 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Apparently their blood lust has a passport.


No passport required if you're from Syria.
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