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Speyside Offline
#1 Posted: Mon, Jul 11 2016, 2:57 PM EST
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Texas, Tennessee, Georgia, Missouri, and Michigan in less than a week. What is happening to our country? Prayers and positive thoughts for those officers in particular and all officers in general. My sadness is great.
gummy jones Offline
#2 Posted: Mon, Jul 11 2016, 3:06 PM EST
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a significant breakdown of the family has led to decreased accountability and the breakdown of parts of society

cough cough

i mean guns and 1% and homophobes
yea thats it
Stinkdyr Offline
#3 Posted: Mon, Jul 11 2016, 4:12 PM EST
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Is it time to end welfare breeding yet?

Think
dharbolt Offline
#4 Posted: Mon, Jul 11 2016, 4:13 PM EST
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gummy jones wrote:
a significant breakdown of the family has led to decreased accountability and the breakdown of parts of society

cough cough

i mean guns and 1% and homophobes
yea thats it


You couldn't be more right.
DrafterX Offline
#5 Posted: Mon, Jul 11 2016, 4:14 PM EST
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This is getting to me... Mellow
victor809 Offline
#6 Posted: Mon, Jul 11 2016, 4:26 PM EST
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Breakdown of the family?

I'm not smart enough to know what the problem is... But breakdown of the family is just silly.
Speyside Offline
#7 Posted: Mon, Jul 11 2016, 4:31 PM EST
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Victor, I have no idea what is causing this, though I do feel it is a very complex problem with many pieces to it. You are much better than I at finding legitimate studies. Can you find any on this problem?
Speyside Offline
#8 Posted: Mon, Jul 11 2016, 4:40 PM EST
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Drafter, I don't know how anyone could not feel terrible about this. I also feel terrible when another black man dies. Even when it is a justified shooting, it is terrible that a life is lost. A police officer has a split second to make a life and death descision. What a horrific burden.
Brewha Offline
#9 Posted: Mon, Jul 11 2016, 5:52 PM EST
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Here in Dallas, a man shot 12 cops, killing 5. It's a new kind of tragedy.


Since we all know that the easy availability of firepower had nothing to do with the crime, I would like to point out that when the shooting started there were 20 Open Carry people in the crowd with rifles slung over their shoulders - who ran. Just sayin'.

And in further tragic irony, the shooter was "supported" by the second amendment, in that he was fighting a government he disagreed with.....
DrafterX Offline
#10 Posted: Mon, Jul 11 2016, 6:23 PM EST
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The protesters defending the cops..?? You're right, that woulda been somethin... Mellow
victor809 Offline
#11 Posted: Mon, Jul 11 2016, 6:26 PM EST
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Speyside... My first question would be whether we're seeing a problem or not.

We need to address whether we're seeing an increase in anything, or just an increased visibility of what has been around.

I'm reminded of something a black coworker of mine told me a year or two ago.... It isn't like anything new was happening to blacks with cops. It's just that they now have cell phones with video and news stations willing to listen to them. Do we know that we're seeing any increased violence against cops either? Is anything actually happening to our country or do we just.... Feel like it is...? People are very susceptible to misjudging this sort of thing.
Brewha Offline
#12 Posted: Mon, Jul 11 2016, 7:03 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
The protesters defending the cops..?? You're right, that woulda been somethin... Mellow

Not exactly a well organized militia......
tonygraz Offline
#13 Posted: Mon, Jul 11 2016, 7:22 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
The protesters defending the cops..?? You're right, that woulda been somethin... Mellow


But how would the cops tell the good guys with guns from the bad guys with guns ?
Krazeehorse Offline
#14 Posted: Mon, Jul 11 2016, 7:54 PM EST
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Most of the people I know that carry do so for self defense, not to be a hero in a crowd. So if you have the option to get out instead of shooting someone, that is the preferred scenario of the people I know.
Brewha Offline
#15 Posted: Mon, Jul 11 2016, 8:02 PM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
But how would the cops tell the good guys with guns from the bad guys with guns ?

Oh, this was just a hollow and pointless stab at the vaunted Second Amendment.

As though people with rifle slung in down town Dallas would be and organized militia. No - they just sling them to show their swinging cod. From what I've see in Dallas the Open Carry crowd that marches is just a bunch of punks....
teedubbya Offline
#16 Posted: Mon, Jul 11 2016, 9:35 PM EST
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It's summer.
Mr. Jones Offline
#17 Posted: Mon, Jul 11 2016, 10:00 PM EST
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I've been in the mountains with NO TV...

But I've heard radio reports and read a few of your posts...

Having "A PROTEST" where the protesters
OPENLY CARRY FIREARMS IS:
A) a cop's WORST nightmare IMAGINABLE.
B) a travesty of justice and mockery of ANY open CARRY law
C) a prescription for 100% guaranteed VIOLENCE
and deaths...
D) ALL OF THE ABOVE

It reminds me of the CBS NIGHTLY NEWS IN the late 1960's And early 70's...
When " THE BLACK PANTHERS" would have a PROTEST or NEWS conference...
It was always SURREAL...Raising their FISTS with one arm while raising their firearm with the other arm...
And they always had AMMO BANDELIERS OVER their shoulders...with the BLACK berets and
BLACK SUNGLASSES...
those ****-ers were BAD-AZZ...
teedubbya Offline
#18 Posted: Tue, Jul 12 2016, 7:20 AM EST
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B. Mockery? Are you suggesting open carry should be limited for gatherings or protests? I'm ok with that but many in here will not be, at least if they agree with the protesters. We do have selective minds in here (including mine) that try really hard to pretend they are not. Aren't guns allowed at the RNC convention? That's a gathering.

The fact that anyone could carry a long gun anywhere made it somewhat normal. The shooter could just walk around barely noticed until ready to fire. I'm po gun, but personally I prefer concealed to open carry. Nothing really political in my view, I just prefer not to advertise.

While being pro gun I do think the NRA is digging its own grave. Something about their approach reminds me of the pro smoking folks in the 80s. They have the upper hand for the moment, over play it at times, are about to get cornered, and the anti gun nazis will win. I hope I'm wrong.
TMCTLT Offline
#19 Posted: Tue, Jul 12 2016, 7:38 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Here in Dallas, a man shot 12 cops, killing 5. It's a new kind of tragedy.


Since we all know that the easy availability of firepower had nothing to do with the crime, I would like to point out that when the shooting started there were 20 Open Carry people in the crowd with rifles slung over their shoulders - who ran. Just sayin'.

And in further tragic irony, the shooter was "supported" by the second amendment, in that he was fighting a government he disagreed with.....




True....however they were there to PROTEST LE treatment ( in other states ) that had ZERO to do with anything happening in theirs. It's a shame thatthe message is lost when they allow it to be about nothing other than skin color. Did you really think those in that crowd were going to come to the aide of the LEO's???? lolz
Think Black Panthers @ our election boothes in Philly in 08...if that incident had been a bunch of White dudes toting guns and intimidating others....they'd have been arrested and RIGHTFULLY SO, but since they shared skin pigment with our POTUS....it just kinda " went away " didn't it? Never to be heard about again....


And.... if what you said is true.....why wasn't he trying to kill those responsible for MAKING LAW....not the ones tasked with carrying them out???? d'oh!
victor809 Offline
#20 Posted: Tue, Jul 12 2016, 8:53 AM EST
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Ummm if the officers were getting shot, that means the protesters (with or without the guns) were also down range of the shooter. Are you suggesting they had some psychic connection and knew the shooter was just targeting the Leo's? Cut that's silly.
TMCTLT Offline
#21 Posted: Tue, Jul 12 2016, 9:02 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Ummm if the officers were getting shot, that means the protesters (with or without the guns) were also down range of the shooter. Are you suggesting they had some psychic connection and knew the shooter was just targeting the Leo's? Cut that's silly.



No but regardless....one would think if they ( the ones who DID bring guns ) began to fire @ the suspect then it would have been pretty clear who they supported....YES??
victor809 Offline
#22 Posted: Tue, Jul 12 2016, 9:21 AM EST
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Yes. But that doesn't make your statement true.
ZRX1200 Offline
#23 Posted: Tue, Jul 12 2016, 9:26 AM EST
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The guys who open carried at the Dallas protest IMMEDIATELY handed their weapons over to police when shooting began and ASKED IF THEY COULD HELP. But that doesn't fit a race war, so let's not report that.......

Brewha the guy was sniping from a protected position. He could have used a .22 and it wouldn't have made much difference.
Brewha Offline
#24 Posted: Tue, Jul 12 2016, 9:52 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
B. Mockery? Are you suggesting open carry should be limited for gatherings or protests? I'm ok with that but many in here will not be, at least if they agree with the protesters. We do have selective minds in here (including mine) that try really hard to pretend they are not. Aren't guns allowed at the RNC convention? That's a gathering.

The fact that anyone could carry a long gun anywhere made it somewhat normal. The shooter could just walk around barely noticed until ready to fire. I'm po gun, but personally I prefer concealed to open carry. Nothing really political in my view, I just prefer not to advertise.

While being pro gun I do think the NRA is digging its own grave. Something about their approach reminds me of the pro smoking folks in the 80s. They have the upper hand for the moment, over play it at times, are about to get cornered, and the anti gun nazis will win. I hope I'm wrong.

Mockery, with ironic overtones.

In the '70's I saw an episode of All In The Family where Archie suggested that hijacking should be stopped by arming all the passengers. It was a joke back then.

Now people really buy into "guns make us safe" mentality. And while there is some truth to it, folks are taking a ridiculous tact on this. Courtrooms aren't safe because the are gun free zones, your children are only safe if their teacher is armed, we only gave gun safety is everyone is armed....


But then again, "if you make dynamite illegal, only criminal will have dynamite"
Brewha Offline
#25 Posted: Tue, Jul 12 2016, 9:59 AM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
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True....however they were there to PROTEST LE treatment ( in other states ) that had ZERO to do with anything happening in theirs. It's a shame thatthe message is lost when they allow it to be about nothing other than skin color. Did you really think those in that crowd were going to come to the aide of the LEO's???? lolz
Think Black Panthers @ our election boothes in Philly in 08...if that incident had been a bunch of White dudes toting guns and intimidating others....they'd have been arrested and RIGHTFULLY SO, but since they shared skin pigment with our POTUS....it just kinda " went away " didn't it? Never to be heard about again....


And.... if what you said is true.....why wasn't he trying to kill those responsible for MAKING LAW....not the ones tasked with carrying them out???? d'oh!

Because he was mad the they were NOT carrying out the law...
Try to keep up, will yah?
Gene363 Offline
#26 Posted: Tue, Jul 12 2016, 10:12 AM EST
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It's got absolutely nothing to do with gun control laws, it was about controlling possession of a gun by a bailiff that was outmatched by a prisoner attempting to break out of jail. There was a similar situation in an Atlanta, GA courtroom a few years ago except the bailiff was a woman.

Quote:
Bailey identified the bailiffs who were killed as Joseph Zangaro, 61, and Ron Kienzle, 63.
Mr. Jones Offline
#27 Posted: Tue, Jul 12 2016, 10:14 AM EST
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#18 T-dubbbb

"Y.E.S....
MOCKERY" !!! I SAY....
:) :) :)

BWUHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Only an idiot would show up at a PROTEST carrying a long gun...only morons with screws loose would tawnt law enforcement like that...

Reminds me of a gun PROTEST on the capital steps at Harrisburg PA....years back?? 3???
Two guys on the front page of the newspaper carrying M-16's with 30 shot banana clips posing on the capital steps dressed in tactical gear and cammo....
( this was during the beginning of my GANGSTALKING PERSECUTION...I THOUGHT TO MYSELF...I have done nothing wrong and you stupid *****s are following me??? WHY NOT FOLLOW THE TWO NUT JOBS IN THE PHOTO and leave me alone you coward idiots)


If I was a cop and " drew duty " to cover such a travesty gathering.... And a potential deadly riot...

I WOULD AVOID THAT LIKE THE PLAGUE
AND CALL IN SICK THAT DAY..
IT WAS a "LOSE- LOSE DUTY" FROM THE GET-go..
teedubbya Offline
#28 Posted: Tue, Jul 12 2016, 10:25 AM EST
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I get the sense the cops and protesters worked together with no issue. The cops didn't seem to be wearing tactical gear etc and both sides were cooperating with each other. This marks sense given what I've seen of the police chief since.
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