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Coup in Turkey
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ZRX1200 Offline
#1 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 5:18 PM EST
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These are strange time we live in.
jjanecka Offline
#2 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 5:38 PM EST
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Lol I've been expecting this since the incident in Crimea occurred.
rfenst Offline
#3 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 5:40 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
These are strange time we live in.


This is unreal.
banderl Offline
#4 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 5:41 PM EST
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They have a history of doing this.
frankj1 Offline
#5 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 5:50 PM EST
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their leadership had been looking like it was moving away from positions we might support in the last year or two, but then just last week they reestablished diplomatic relations with Israel. They have been having zillions of refuges streaming across their borders...I am unclear what the military's political stance might be. It could be to move back closer to western views, or the opposite which would be game changing for the world.
teedubbya Offline
#6 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 6:01 PM EST
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This one worries me.
frankj1 Offline
#7 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 6:04 PM EST
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jjanecka wrote:
Lol I've been expecting this since the incident in Crimea occurred.

I am interested in what you mean...mind elaborating?
Thanks
SmokeMonkey Offline
#8 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 6:11 PM EST
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This has some pretty large implications for our Middle East policy. Well worth paying attention a little more closely than normal. Bad night to be stationed at Incirlik.
teedubbya Offline
#9 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 6:48 PM EST
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I don't know who to root for.
banderl Offline
#10 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 6:55 PM EST
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There is a report that the coup has been defeated.
banderl Offline
#11 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 6:56 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I don't know who to root for.



Can't go wrong backing the Packers.
SmokeMonkey Offline
#12 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 6:57 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I don't know who to root for.


+1
teedubbya Offline
#13 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 7:19 PM EST
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Packers? I thought being ghey wasn't legal there.
banderl Offline
#14 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 7:23 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Packers? I thought being ghey wasn't legal there.



You're right, they'd shoot you as soon as you entered town.
victor809 Offline
#15 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 7:30 PM EST
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banderl wrote:
You're right, they'd shoot you as soon as you entered him.



FIFY
banderl Offline
#16 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 7:42 PM EST
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Drafter?
teedubbya Offline
#17 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 9:41 PM EST
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Drafter's not here man
banderl Offline
#18 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 9:50 PM EST
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Of course not, he ran off when you tried to enter him.
tonygraz Offline
#19 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 10:09 PM EST
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They should rename the country since Chicken coup sounds bettter.
jjanecka Offline
#20 Posted: Sat, Jul 16 2016, 12:42 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
I am interested in what you mean...mind elaborating?
Thanks


Well, Turkey is one of Russia's Southern neighbors as it shares a costal border across the sea. Seems like it would be a prime holding for Russia because it would sever the land route to the middle east from Europe and the Russians could leverage fuel and passage.

Additionally the Church of Constantinople still exists in Istanbul; it's the seat governing seat of all Orthodox Christianity much like the Vatican is for Roman Catholics. With Putin's strong religious ties, it would be the gem of his acheivements for Russia to say it is in possession of one of the most Holy sites in Christianity. A bit of the Crimean incident had to do with Orthodox Christians feeling under represented while a good number of Ukrain's population is Roman Catholic.

It really seems like there's a tactical advantage for Russia to own Turkey just from a supply side perspective but I might be wrong.
frankj1 Offline
#21 Posted: Sat, Jul 16 2016, 9:33 AM EST
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do you have a sense of where the Turkish military is leaning?
Speyside Offline
#22 Posted: Sat, Jul 16 2016, 9:38 AM EST
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Frank, from what I heard on CNN the military favors democracy and the West.
DrafterX Offline
#23 Posted: Sat, Jul 16 2016, 9:53 AM EST
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a lot of people are in some serious trouble this morning.... Unsure
Gene363 Offline
#24 Posted: Sat, Jul 16 2016, 12:59 PM EST
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Turns out the Coup may have been a hoax to get more power for the current government and to crack down on dissidents.
teedubbya Offline
#25 Posted: Sat, Jul 16 2016, 1:05 PM EST
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They said they were sorry.
frankj1 Offline
#26 Posted: Sat, Jul 16 2016, 7:56 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Frank, from what I heard on CNN the military favors democracy and the West.

used to, wasn't sure if that had changed with perceptions of us and our role in the surrounding countries.
teedubbya Offline
#27 Posted: Sun, Jul 17 2016, 8:00 AM EST
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Did the turkey coup get fixed? Not much coverage of it. Did any turkeys get out?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#28 Posted: Sun, Jul 17 2016, 10:18 AM EST
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#Bringmayo
Mr. Jones Offline
#29 Posted: Sun, Jul 17 2016, 11:42 AM EST
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Turkey and Israel are the last two
Countries in the Middle East that have stable
Governments and fair elections...

The U.S. has toppled so many dictators over there that civil wars and Anarchy are rampant and the norm now....

If Turkey goes...we are f#cked !!!

The only way you can control an ARAB is with a dictator or REGIME OF ROYALS (like Saudi Arabia)..

Total dictatorship is all that keeps the Radical Jhihadist Muslims in check....

And
The ONLY AMERICAN PRESIDENT WHO KNEW THIS AND UNDERSTOOD IT WAS
GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH.
Gene363 Offline
#30 Posted: Sun, Jul 17 2016, 12:21 PM EST
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Mr. Jones wrote:
Turkey and Israel are the last two
Countries in the Middle East that have stable
Governments and fair elections...

The U.S. has toppled so many dictators over there that civil wars and Anarchy are rampant and the norm now....

If Turkey goes...we are f#cked !!!

The only way you can control an ARAB is with a dictator or REGIME OF ROYALS (like Saudi Arabia)..

Total dictatorship is all that keeps the Radical Jhihadist Muslims in check....

And
The ONLY AMERICAN PRESIDENT WHO KNEW THIS AND UNDERSTOOD IT WAS
GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH.



Problem is the current administration is less secular and you know what that measn in the Middle East.
teedubbya Offline
#31 Posted: Sun, Jul 17 2016, 12:40 PM EST
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Yea democracy only works when the folks we want are elected. The last 15 years in the USA bears that out.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#32 Posted: Sun, Jul 17 2016, 12:51 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Yea democracy only works when the folks we want are elected. The last 15 years in the USA bears that out.



15?

Keep on counting.
teedubbya Offline
#33 Posted: Sun, Jul 17 2016, 12:54 PM EST
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I was being kind
tonygraz Offline
#34 Posted: Sun, Jul 17 2016, 10:04 PM EST
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And smart enough to exclude 2000.
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