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Put a Chip in them if they Can't Afford an I.D....
DrafterX Offline
#1 Posted:
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AUSTIN, Texas – A federal appeals court ruled Wednesday that Texas' strict voter ID law violates the Voting Rights Act and ordered changes before the November election.

The ruling from the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals instructs a lower court to make changes that fix the "discriminatory effect" of the 2011 law, but to do so in a way that disrupts this year's election season as little as possible.

President Barack Obama's administration took the unusual step of deploying the weight of the U.S. Justice Department into the case when it challenged the law, which requires Texas residents to show one of seven forms of approved identification. The state and other supporters say the Texas law prevents fraud. Opponents say it discriminates by requiring forms of ID that are more difficult to obtain for low-income, African-American and Latino voters.

"We are extremely pleased with this outcome. This law will no longer prevent eligible voters from casting a ballot this November," attorney Gerry Herbert, a member of the legal team that challenged the law, said following Wednesday's ruling.

The Texas Democratic Party also immediately celebrated, declaring that "the most restrictive and discriminatory Republican voter ID law in country has been struck down."

The New Orleans-based 5th Circuit agreed to rehear the issue after a three-judge panel ruled last year that the law violated the Voting Rights Act.

Lawyers for Texas have argued that the state makes free IDs easy to obtain. They said any inconveniences or costs involved in getting one do not substantially burden the right to vote, and that the Justice Department and other plaintiffs had failed to prove that the law resulted in denying anyone the right to vote.

Opponents countered in briefs that trial testimony indicated various bureaucratic and economic burdens associated with the law — for instance, the difficulty in finding and purchasing a proper birth certificate to obtain an ID. A brief filed by the American Civil Liberties Union cited testimony in other voter ID states indicating numerous difficulties faced by people, including burdensome travel and expenses to get required documentation to obtain IDs.

Texas doesn't recognize university IDs from college students, but it does accept concealed handgun licenses as proof of identity.

Despite being struck down by a federal district judge in 2014, the law has been enforced in recent elections. The decision came so close to Election Day that the 5th Circuit panel allowed it to be enforced that year to avoid voter confusion.

In April, the U.S. Supreme Court rejected an emergency appeal to stop Texas from enforcing the law pending the current appeal. But the court said it could revisit the issue as the November elections approach.


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MACS Offline
#2 Posted:
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This is bullsh*t. How can the voting process be expected to avoid fraud if you're not verifying identification?

If the fed is so worried about low income people (notice they just say blacks and latinos... to hell with the poor white folk) obtaining ID's, why don't they pay the states to give them free ID's? They can give them free food and free housing and free cell phones but can't pay for an ID?
DrafterX Offline
#3 Posted:
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Preach it brother... I'm wit you.. ThumpUp
rfenst Online
#4 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
This is bullsh*t. How can the voting process be expected to avoid fraud if you're not verifying identification?

If the fed is so worried about low income people (notice they just say blacks and latinos... to hell with the poor white folk) obtaining ID's, why don't they pay the states to give them free ID's? They can give them free food and free housing and free cell phones but can't pay for an ID?


+1
Brewha Offline
#5 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
This is bullsh*t. How can the voting process be expected to avoid fraud if you're not verifying identification?

If the fed is so worried about low income people (notice they just say blacks and latinos... to hell with the poor white folk) obtaining ID's, why don't they pay the states to give them free ID's? They can give them free food and free housing and free cell phones but can't pay for an ID?

MACS what's more free stuff!
jjanecka Offline
#6 Posted:
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Statistically speaking the voting percentage per race has been about the same election to election.
teedubbya Offline
#7 Posted:
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ive still not seen a voter fraud issue that justifies the time or expense spent on it. I'm for not creating laws unless it's pretty well established there is a problem needing a new law as a solution. I want less laws not more.
banderl Offline
#8 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
ive still not seen a voter fraud issue that justifies the time or expense spent on it. I'm for not creating laws unless it's pretty well established there is a problem needing a new law as a solution. I want less laws not more.

^^^^^^^^^^^^This^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Abrignac Offline
#9 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
ive still not seen a voter fraud issue that justifies the time or expense spent on it. I'm for not creating laws unless it's pretty well established there is a problem needing a new law as a solution. I want less laws not more.


Generally I am too. But, I certainly believe that integrity of elections is well worth preserving.

As far as the nonsense about obtaining ID's being burdensome. That the biggest crock of chit I've ever heard. Show up for treatment at an ER. They are gonna ask to see an id and an insurance card. Call a utility company and setup an account. You'll have to whip out your ID. Same for cellphone other than pay as you go. The list goes on and on....


This is much adieu about nothing. In fact, I'll damn near every legal voter who is bitchin about this already has some sort of govt issued ID.
bgz Offline
#10 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
ive still not seen a voter fraud issue that justifies the time or expense spent on it. I'm for not creating laws unless it's pretty well established there is a problem needing a new law as a solution. I want less laws not more.


They always ask me for my ID when I vote, I don't have a problem with it.

I would argue that they should have a valid state ID to vote, ID's aren't hard to get, that's just bs.

If you don't require a valid ID, what's to prevent some guy from going up to them and saying he's you, then vote for trump on your behalf?

Just because you haven't seen voter fraud doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Seriously though, if a valid citizen is too stupid to figure out how to get an ID, then they are too stupid to vote.

If they can't obtain ID because they are here illegally, then again, they shouldn't be allowed to vote... because they're illegal. Duh?
Krazeehorse Offline
#11 Posted:
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I have to show ID here in Ohio.
DrafterX Offline
#12 Posted:
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Sounds more like closing a loophole than enacting a new law... Mellow
banderl Offline
#13 Posted:
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bgz wrote:
They always ask me for my ID when I vote, I don't have a problem with it.

I would argue that they should have a valid state ID to vote, ID's aren't hard to get, that's just bs.

If you don't require a valid ID, what's to prevent some guy from going up to them and saying he's you, then vote for trump on your behalf?

Just because you haven't seen voter fraud doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Seriously though, if a valid citizen is too stupid to figure out how to get an ID, then they are too stupid to vote.

If they can't obtain ID because they are here illegally, then again, they shouldn't be allowed to vote... because they're illegal. Duh?



No ID here but have to sign for a ballot. They compare that signature to the one on file.
bgz Offline
#14 Posted:
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banderl wrote:
No ID here but have to sign for a ballot. They compare that signature to the one on file.


That's horrible authentication.

Can't imagine they have expert signature authenticaters checking them.

Most likely just volunteer housewives giving them a once over... ya, you're good.

Where are you at?

I would like to know so I know not to move there, lol.
banderl Offline
#15 Posted:
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bgz wrote:
That's horrible authentication.

Can't imagine they have expert signature authenticaters checking them.

Most likely just volunteer housewives giving them a once over... ya, you're good.

Where are you at?

I would like to know so I know not to move there, lol.



The thing is, if somebody tried to vote for me, they would have provide a reasonable representation of my signature.
Both Dem and Rep judges could dispute it if they wanted to. Then I'd have to show an ID.
bgz Offline
#16 Posted:
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banderl wrote:
The thing is, if somebody tried to vote for me, they would have provide a reasonable representation of my signature.
Both Dem and Rep judges could dispute it if they wanted to. Then I'd have to show an ID.


So why leave it up to chance... Just make everyone show an id and be done with it.
Mr. Jones Offline
#17 Posted:
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#2 MACS

+1
TMCTLT Offline
#18 Posted:
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Mr. Jones wrote:
#2 MACS

+1



Yessir....he's SPOT ON. as is Anthony in #9!!

Ultimately this all about the DNC's concern over losing the election if they can't get their " freebie base " out to the polls.
DrafterX Offline
#19 Posted:
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so, nobody likes the chip idea..?? Huh
MACS Offline
#20 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
MACS what's more free stuff!


Well, I don't want it. But for the gov't to say 'oh, the poor minority folk can't afford a $12 ID' when the same gov't is giving them handouts left and friggin' right, would be hilarious if it wasn't so damn pitiful.
DrafterX Offline
#21 Posted:
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make them produce an I.D. to get an Obama-phone and see what happens... Mellow
MACS Offline
#22 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
make them produce an I.D. to get an Obama-phone and see what happens... Mellow


Wait... I can get a free phone with no ID?? Where do I sign up!!??

Sarcasm
Stinkdyr Offline
#23 Posted:
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Krazeehorse wrote:
I have to show ID here in Ohio.


No ID is shown in Massholechewschitz. So it will surprise nobody that all sorts of ineligible voting goes on.
I live in da hood, I see it every time I enter the voting station.

fog
Speyside Offline
#24 Posted:
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If democratic groups can bus people to vote they can also bus them to get an identification card.
DrafterX Offline
#25 Posted:
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another example of the majority having to cater to the few... Mellow
TMCTLT Offline
#26 Posted:
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Krazeehorse wrote:
I have to show ID here in Ohio.



Here as well, we have assigned voting precincts and if your name / ID don't appear on the registered voter list for THAT precinct.....your SOL.
bgz Offline
#27 Posted:
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Speyside wrote:
If democratic groups can bus people to vote they can also bus them to get an identification card.


Come on baby, we be bumpin da bama bus!!!
DrafterX Offline
#28 Posted:
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Mellow
JadeRose Offline
#29 Posted:
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Abrignac wrote:
Generally I am too. But, I certainly believe that integrity of elections is well worth preserving.

As far as the nonsense about obtaining ID's being burdensome. That the biggest crock of chit I've ever heard. Show up for treatment at an ER. They are gonna ask to see an id and an insurance card. Call a utility company and setup an account. You'll have to whip out your ID. Same for cellphone other than pay as you go. The list goes on and on....


This is much adieu about nothing. In fact, I'll damn near every legal voter who is bitchin about this already has some sort of govt issued ID.






If I was a black guy, I'd look for any excuse to say "S'cuse me while I whip dis out"
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