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Voting for Hillary-Parents Moral Behavior Dilemma?
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zitotczito Offline
#1 Posted: Sat, Jul 23 2016, 11:25 AM EST
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I have pondered this question, does a parent voting for Mrs. Clinton prevent them from taking the moral high ground when raising their children? Mrs. Clinton has been proven (FBI) to be a liar so if you vote for her are you therefore suggesting that lying is OK or condoning lying. So could your children if caught to be lying to you, invoke the Clinton defense and state "Hey you voted for a liar so why am I held to a higher standard," or "since you excuse Mrs. Clinton's behavior and Mrs. Clinton was not punished, why punish me?"

Just wondering.
Gene363 Offline
#2 Posted: Sat, Jul 23 2016, 11:49 AM EST
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I can only guess those voting for killary have the philosophy; "The ends justify the means" or they just have no moral compass.

This is no blanket condemnation of liberals, some feel the same way about Trump and are voting for Johnson, the libertarian candidate.
ZRX1200 Offline
#3 Posted: Sat, Jul 23 2016, 12:18 PM EST
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Tim, you see the new Hillary commercial?

When I read the thread title I assumed that was what you were talking about until I read your OP.

I think you can make a moral argument either way, but she certainly has as many personal issues as Trump with her smearing rape/assault victims and her hubby making more trips to Epstein's island. And she has the political skeletons won by a landslide.

Gene, I will keep that in mind when. I vote for Johnson. Should I go to confession?
zitotczito Offline
#4 Posted: Sat, Jul 23 2016, 1:14 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Tim, you see the new Hillary commercial?

When I read the thread title I assumed that was what you were talking about until I read your OP.

I think you can make a moral argument either way, but she certainly has as many personal issues as Trump with her smearing rape/assault victims and her hubby making more trips to Epstein's island. And she has the political skeletons won by a landslide.

Gene, I will keep that in mind when. I vote for Johnson. Should I go to confession?


Z, I did not see the new ad but just watched it.

Note that this question can be posed about either candidate. Do we tell the children " do as I say but not as I do" and hope for the best. Should we all take the high ground and just not vote at all?
teedubbya Offline
#5 Posted: Sat, Jul 23 2016, 1:24 PM EST
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That's no high ground. (Not voting at all) vote for someone you like or like the best and ignore the absolute idiots that say a vote for so and so is really a vote for someone else. That's just dumb.
tonygraz Offline
#6 Posted: Sat, Jul 23 2016, 1:26 PM EST
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https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/mormonliberals/pages/703/attachments/original/1468809038/Who_Lies_More.png?1468809038
Gene363 Offline
#7 Posted: Sat, Jul 23 2016, 1:34 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Tim, you see the new Hillary commercial?

When I read the thread title I assumed that was what you were talking about until I read your OP.

I think you can make a moral argument either way, but she certainly has as many personal issues as Trump with her smearing rape/assault victims and her hubby making more trips to Epstein's island. And she has the political skeletons won by a landslide.

Gene, I will keep that in mind when. I vote for Johnson. Should I go to confession?


ThumpUp I wouldn't pretend to know what someone else should do in church. Hillary voters OTOH, prolly wouldn't know what confession is all about.
Speyside Offline
#8 Posted: Sat, Jul 23 2016, 2:50 PM EST
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TW makes a good point IMO. I do think voting 3rd party when you believe in their platform and candidate is taking the high ground. This crap about a wasted vote is just exactly that, crapola.
banderl Offline
#9 Posted: Sat, Jul 23 2016, 2:59 PM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/mormonliberals/pages/703/attachments/original/1468809038/Who_Lies_More.png?1468809038



That darn lamestream media!
ZRX1200 Offline
#10 Posted: Sat, Jul 23 2016, 3:25 PM EST
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Oh I agree, either argument can be made no doubt!

I know people who I respect (but don't always agree with) that believe voting is now violence, or consented tyranny. My daughter is 9 so we don't go to deep politically and I was raised that children need a core but also free thought. I think it is a responsibility to vote, and I believe in voting your conscience. That is open to interpretation, but mine is voting for who best represents myself AND what I believe is in the framework of our constitution. I supported Rand, now I'm voting Gary.

I wrote in Ron Paul the last 3 elections.
Krazeehorse Offline
#11 Posted: Sat, Jul 23 2016, 10:55 PM EST
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I doubt if most Hillary supporters really believe she lied. Not sure how they get around it but I think they whitewash it to the point they can't see it.
Gene363 Offline
#12 Posted: Sat, Jul 23 2016, 11:09 PM EST
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Krazeehorse wrote:
I doubt if most Hillary supporters really believe she lied. Not sure how they get around it but I think they whitewash it to the point they can't see it.


It is pretty stunning.
tailgater Offline
#13 Posted: Sun, Jul 24 2016, 9:46 AM EST
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Krazeehorse wrote:
I doubt if most Hillary supporters really believe she lied. Not sure how they get around it but I think they whitewash it to the point they can't see it.


This is what bothers me most.

At least most Trump supporters understand what he is.
Hillary supporters don't justify her actions. They deny them.
teedubbya Offline
#14 Posted: Sun, Jul 24 2016, 10:00 AM EST
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Come on now. How many things has trump denied he said or did or meant and his willing band of followers right n right along with him pretending it's true or untrue? It's all the same.

I know it's a small time example but the plagerized speech of melonia is one example. It was no big deal, yet the highest levels of the campaign denied it to the absurdity of including the brony defense. Until it was absurd.

Trump never admits fault, and never rolls things back but is one of the more outrageous, absurd and undisciplined candidates we've ever seen. He's a traveling lie or stretch the truth show if there ever was one.

He and Hillary are the same in that regard. His lies and abuses are in the private sector, hills are public sector.

In my mind they are very similar in this regard.
frankj1 Offline
#15 Posted: Sun, Jul 24 2016, 10:09 AM EST
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Jeff Jacoby (conservative columnist) writes a timely editorial in today's Boston Sunday Globe Ideas section on this very topic of two liars...he will vote for neither.
teedubbya Offline
#16 Posted: Sun, Jul 24 2016, 10:13 AM EST
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I'll have to read his. My post was poorly written and doesn't get across what I was saying all that well.

All I am saying is both sides supporters conveniently deny or ignore things their person says or does including lies. Don't fool yourself.
SmokeMonkey Offline
#17 Posted: Sun, Jul 24 2016, 10:35 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:

All I am saying is both sides supporters conveniently deny or ignore things their person says or does including lies. Don't fool yourself.


This, precisely.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#18 Posted: Sun, Jul 24 2016, 11:22 AM EST
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Remember all the fun that went into parenting explaining what a **** is to kids that wanted to know because it was on every channel every night the last time a Clinton was in the White House?


Yeah...now magnify that by 100x because he hasn't changed, he's still screwing everything that walks and she's a pathological liar with a penchant for using the letter of the law to bend and slant everything so it favors her carpetbagging behaviors!

Good luck!
Gene363 Offline
#19 Posted: Sun, Jul 24 2016, 12:40 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
This is what bothers me most.

At least most Trump supporters understand what he is.
Hillary supporters don't justify her actions. They deny them.


Ding Ding Ding! True
Gene363 Offline
#20 Posted: Sun, Jul 24 2016, 12:42 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Come on now. How many things has trump denied he said or did or meant and his willing band of followers right n right along with him pretending it's true or untrue? It's all the same.

I know it's a small time example but the plagerized speech of melonia is one example. It was no big deal, yet the highest levels of the campaign denied it to the absurdity of including the brony defense. Until it was absurd.

Trump never admits fault, and never rolls things back but is one of the more outrageous, absurd and undisciplined candidates we've ever seen. He's a traveling lie or stretch the truth show if there ever was one.

He and Hillary are the same in that regard. His lies and abuses are in the private sector, hills are public sector.

In my mind they are very similar in this regard.


Not true, if you actually watched or listened to Trumps acceptance speech he acknowledged the support of evangelicals, although he didn't deserve their support.
Gene363 Offline
#21 Posted: Sun, Jul 24 2016, 12:44 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Remember all the fun that went into parenting explaining what a **** is to kids that wanted to know because it was on every channel every night the last time a Clinton was in the White House?


Yeah...now magnify that by 100x because he hasn't changed, he's still screwing everything that walks and she's a pathological liar with a penchant for using the letter of the law to bend and slant everything so it favors her carpetbagging behaviors!

Good luck!


Yup, and those are his good points.
ZRX1200 Offline
#22 Posted: Sun, Jul 24 2016, 1:00 PM EST
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/07/24/sanders-to-speak-at-convention-while-dnc-chair-wasserman-schultz-reportedly-sidelined.html

Poor Berne didn't stand a chance.
teedubbya Offline
#23 Posted: Sun, Jul 24 2016, 1:13 PM EST
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Gene your bar is lower than mine lol.
Covfireman Offline
#24 Posted: Sun, Jul 24 2016, 1:35 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:




Thanks for the heads up on the Boston Globe article it conveyed my thoughts pretty well .
Gene363 Offline
#25 Posted: Sun, Jul 24 2016, 2:46 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Gene your bar is lower than mine lol.


I'm an optimist.
ZRX1200 Offline
#26 Posted: Sun, Jul 24 2016, 5:14 PM EST
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http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/06/democrats-erect-tall-fence-around-dnc-convention-center-philly-walls-dont-work/

LMAO
Gene363 Offline
#27 Posted: Sun, Jul 24 2016, 7:02 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/06/democrats-erect-tall-fence-around-dnc-convention-center-philly-walls-dont-work/

LMAO


Uh Oh! LOL
Speyside Offline
#28 Posted: Sun, Jul 24 2016, 7:14 PM EST
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Now that's funny!
frankj1 Offline
#29 Posted: Sun, Jul 24 2016, 7:44 PM EST
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Covfireman wrote:
Thanks for the heads up on the Boston Globe article it conveyed my thoughts pretty well .

I'm well known as a libtard here, but I find myself agreeing with Jacoby a decent percentage of the time.

He's a worthy opposing voice to me.
tailgater Offline
#30 Posted: Mon, Jul 25 2016, 8:48 AM EST
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Jacoby is a liberals conservative.
He's too apologetic most of the time.
Whenever I read anything from him, it's like he's saying "You have every right to be angry, but hear me out".

I suppose he knows his audience (Boston Globe readers), but I stop short of calling him a "conservative". He's more of a therapist.
But he's a decent writer.
ZRX1200 Offline
#31 Posted: Mon, Jul 25 2016, 9:10 AM EST
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Bill Clinton is therapist.
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