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Huh? I with Charlie on this one...Go figure.

Rick, you simply need to listen to yourself once in a while. You answer your own concerns. "A war mentality is established with imprecise enemies" That is the very reason for much of your critique. The enemy is indeed vague, and actions are therefore likely to be blurred as well. But a proactive approach is superior to waiting for the next attack. And much of the directionless action is due to Liberal Concerns regarding profiling. Don't let your Leftist mentality distort the truth. It's OK to disagree with the current administration. Give us something of substance so we can discuss it without your simplistic rhetoric.

tailgater

"Give us something of substance so we can discuss it without your simplistic rhetoric."

what has george done for this country, except make you feel patriotic.

unknown people are in prisons with out legal repreentation .
money for the real needs of this country has been denied them in favor of the military. sr citizens can not afford to live because the cost of there medicine is out of control. (not me personally, being a disabled vet allows me access to the VA, which is not getting the money it needs because bush would not release the funds.

i would like you to tell me what george bush has done for this country. forget about this BS war on terror, we bombed afghanistan back to the stone age where they were to start with, even though the people that caused the hell in new york were all from saudi arabia. why?

tell me what your president has done that is positive for my country. you have the floor

Rick you need to go and join the ACLU and also Jesse Jackson's Rainbow Crooks! Your hatred for GWB is really getting to be old and boring! Wake up and welcome to the year 2002. It amazes me that you think that Al Gore should be President and that he would do a great job! He would still be running opinion polls on 9/11 to try and decide what to do and when it would bring in the most positive ratings! This is one thing refreshing about Bush, he doesn't live and breath polls! Oh, I apoligize for saying to go join ACLU, you probably already are a member of said group! Charlie

Sorry CJ but you must have used your scorecard to wipe your arse this morning and smuged that big fat 0 next to Ricks name and made it look like a 2.Gater hits a grand slam and charlie cracked one down the foul line for a double anybody can see that or they aint watching the same game I am. LOL

sorry jj, i was counting points/counterpoints...this isn't figure skating so i'm not giving points for technique or political affiliation... };{>

CJ is right. Perhaps I should have answered Ricks question without getting sidetracked due to his anti-American comment. What has Bush accomplished? Well to start off, this war on terror isn't about bombing the Afghans. You know that, but refuse to admit it. Our sanctity has been violated. We know where the plan originated, and we successfully prevented another devasting attack by dismantling their training camps and communications. Meanwhile, Bush has created the Homeland Security position and has consolidated our major intelligence information by signing the Anti-Terrorism Bill. All the while, he has appeased the campaign finance reform crowd by signing that bill, and also showed unheard of bipartisanship by joining Kennedy and Miller on the Education Bill championed by those two democrats. So not only has the man which you claim has no brain raised our Patriotism, but he has also pushed through legislation for his Republican party and also the Democrats. Sure, there are a slew of other bills, but you get the gist. Bush is being effective without the glitz and glamour that destroyed the character of our Oval Office in recent years. He is running the country without his PR cohorts thumping their chests. And he is maintaining the course despite the unbelievers, not in spite of them. It's a lesson we should all live by. When's the last time you felt Proud to be American?

Charlie
you first.

i have already posted numerous negatives regarding jesse. so i accept your apology for suggesting i think he is any thing but a scam artist.

i have already said i know gore won except for your corrupt republicans that fixed the florida election almost like jfk fixed the election in chicago, and the supreme court, forget about it. without that ding thomas, enough time would have been allowed to correct what was "probably" a mistake in florida. don't forget the attack on the people that were recounting by PAID republican thugs. they disrupted the recount harrassed and threatend the counters with physical harm. bush's team does more polling than any presidental team in history.

i must kleave for a moment and have diner and watch the tape of the rams game, but i'll be back.

tailgator>se hablo mucho, pero no dice nada. back to you and your none response.

i thank you that remembered my birthday and special thanks to eleltea, i am typless

thank you. my surprize birthday party should start about 4:00 pm today.
the family couldn't agree on what we should have for diner. about half wanted pizza and half wanted chinese food.
toby and i are cooking and will serve beef stoganoff, and since we have been lucky in calif and getting exceptional produce, toby has been busy cutting melons and assorted other fruit to serve as a side dish.
right after diner, since it will still be light outside we will all retire to the patio and smoke some excellent cigars and enjoy each other's company.

calling me delusional or fatso or scoundrel, is not an answer to my posts.
state your points of disagreement clearly and succinctly.

calling someone who diasagrees with you names, doesn't really help you case. calling all the right wing people on the boards no-good fascist, hate-mongers, with out a heart or feeling for their fellow man, would be like the old, "yea, your mother wears army boots." a non sequitur.

enjoy your weekend and smoke if you got em.

well said

jjohnson28
how many times have you seen "forest gump?"

woooops!.. did SOMEBODY slip up?

does the handle rickamaven stand for Rod Serling? Your thread opening got ME a little concerned Rod,... I mean Rick. This is a complex issue, but I agree with Rick, there is cause for concern.

CW, the ACLU does not uphold the constitution as you suggest. It bastardizes it to prove their own strength. Do you REALLY think that our forefathers intended to give "rights" to organization such as the National Man Boy Love Association (NAMBLA)? If you do, then your twisted and sick. If you don't, then you realize that the ACLU despite it's historical significance has become a tumor and needs to be removed.

Rick, I have been reading some of your threads. The reference to Rod Serling was intended as a compliment (except for the dead part). I meant that you are describing a scenario which SHOULD make us feel as if we are slipping into the Twilight Zone. My vote is that you should ignore the heat and press on.

tailgater - see the first part of Rick's post. I agree, in the absence of major groundbreaking litigation involving individual liberties the ACLU has been grabbing at straws in order to maintain their existence. But if you were to look at the US back before 1960 most people would have thought the same thing when similar groups we're fighting for equal rights for blacks.

Rick, get over yourself. Disagreeing with me is not justification for the title of "twisted and sick". Reread the post and tell me which words you don't understand. Last I checked, you liberals use many of the same words that we Americans use.

Our country was in a tailspin prior to September last year. We have it so stinking good here. Go visit any, and I mean any, other country. No one has what we have in such quantities and for so cheap. What we take for granted here is so far out of reach for the rest of the world. We make so much money, are mobile beyond belief. We have such extensive and immediate communication capabilities from the CIA down to the clerk at Wal Mart who has a cell phone hanging on his side and a GPS in his car. We can drive for 20 hours and never have to cross a true political border. We never have to submit to frequent search and seizure. The future of our country was threatened due to this softness and privileged upbringing. We have kids who don't give a sh17 about patriotism. Who never knew that we can be vulnerable. That our country's framwork can still be shaken. No one here has ever needed to fear our own Government. That is unless they chose to be in violation of our well known, well posted, very well publicised and easily researched laws. Yes we have cruddy taxes. Our President doesn't make everyone in this country happy (who the He&& can?). We need to have a reason to be patriotic. We need to have a reason to respect those which uphold our laws and those that keep our internal framework intact. We don't have a perfect President. I am sure no-one here can name any President, any candidate, any Government representative who makes everyone pleased with his or her job. It will never happen. We have to accept what we have and accept that the person in power pulls the strings. Yeah, the Bush family is one heck of an influential and powerful family. Quite possibly the Kennedy's of the future. They've obtained that power and maintain it by being brutal, sometimes dishonest, and what can be construed as unethical. I don't think power is obtainable without haveing to participate in what the mainstream percieves as bad behaviour. Bill Gates, who quietly donates billions of $$ to charitable organizations, educational programs, schools and uncountable other charities, is no angel. Even Bill Gates has been accused of being less than clean. No-one is immune from having to pull something off the wall to get into a position of ultimate authority. The people who criticize those in power for taking advantage of certain situations to get there, will never be in a position of any real power themselves. Accept what we have. Appreciate what we have. Support whomever is in power. Use your 1st amendment right. We are on the road to better times. Usually it takes a war to jumpstart the economy. We'll see how it pans out. Just feel safe in knowing that what you have and who you are, was, is and always will be, will always be protected from external harm better than any other country or Government. If you want to know what the biggest threat to your portion of the world is, just look in the mirror.

CW, I don't doubt the significance of the ACLU in years past, and I actually think that a small percentage of what they fight for now is commendable. But the vast majority of their efforts have been for totally bogus causes and that has destroyed their credibility to the point where their association with an issue can actually hinder it. Like many institutions before them, they have run their course. Without effectiveness, their utility has disappeared and therefore their existance is unnecessary. Just one man's opinion, but that's what these boards are for.