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DrafterX Offline
#1 Posted: Wed, Aug 3 2016, 1:20 PM EST
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President Barack Obama is cutting short the sentences of 214 federal inmates, including 67 serving life sentences.

The White House says it's the largest batch of commutations on a single day in more than a century. Almost all the prisoners were serving time for nonviolent drug offenses.

The commutations bring to 562 the total number of sentences Obama has shortened. The White House says that's more than the past nine presidents combined. Almost 200 of those who have benefited were serving life sentences.

White House counsel Neil Eggleston says Obama will continue granting clemency to more inmates during the final months of his presidency. He says those receiving commutations were imprisoned under antiquated, overly harsh sentencing laws.

Most of those receiving commutations Wednesday will be released December 1.

Film at 11.... Think Think
MACS Offline
#2 Posted: Wed, Aug 3 2016, 1:56 PM EST
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Meh. I don't mind if they release non-violent dopers who have already served enough time for what they did.
Covfireman Offline
#3 Posted: Wed, Aug 3 2016, 1:58 PM EST
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If they're all for federal mandatory minimum sentences they may be good. He won't pardon the controversial ones til he's almost out of office.
Gene363 Offline
#4 Posted: Wed, Aug 3 2016, 3:34 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Meh. I don't mind if they release non-violent dopers who have already served enough time for what they did.


Do they ever plead down from a violent charge to a lesser offence that is nonviolent?
DrafterX Offline
#5 Posted: Wed, Aug 3 2016, 3:46 PM EST
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I wonder if Rangel was ok with this.... Think


http://www.wnyc.org/story/312823-black-leaders-once-championed-strict-drug-laws-they-now-seek-dismantle/
teedubbya Offline
#6 Posted: Wed, Aug 3 2016, 5:30 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:
Do they ever plead down from a violent charge to a lesser offence that is nonviolent?



Their cases would not be a secret so my guess would be probably not.
tonygraz Offline
#7 Posted: Wed, Aug 3 2016, 6:05 PM EST
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DRafter owns stock in companies that run privately owned prisons.
DrafterX Offline
#8 Posted: Wed, Aug 3 2016, 7:49 PM EST
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That would be Obama soon before he closes Gitmo... Mellow
Brewha Offline
#9 Posted: Thu, Aug 4 2016, 8:43 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
President Barack Obama is cutting short the sentences of 214 federal inmates, including 67 serving life sentences.

The White House says it's the largest batch of commutations on a single day in more than a century. Almost all the prisoners were serving time for nonviolent drug offenses.

The commutations bring to 562 the total number of sentences Obama has shortened. The White House says that's more than the past nine presidents combined. Almost 200 of those who have benefited were serving life sentences.

White House counsel Neil Eggleston says Obama will continue granting clemency to more inmates during the final months of his presidency. He says those receiving commutations were imprisoned under antiquated, overly harsh sentencing laws.

Most of those receiving commutations Wednesday will be released December 1.

Film at 11.... Think Think

I don’t get it Drafter. Looks like what he did was right and honorable.

Shouldn’t you be focused on poop slinging at Clinton?
DrafterX Offline
#10 Posted: Thu, Aug 4 2016, 8:46 AM EST
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It's kind of a slap in da face to a whole bunch of prosecutors and judges isn't it..?? Mellow
TMCTLT Offline
#11 Posted: Thu, Aug 4 2016, 8:51 AM EST
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Will we see a Bong Summit?

Not that there's anything wrong with that.....well except for our Ole Friend Wheel's claim of being a gateway drug.

Hello Bill...wherever you are buddy Beer
Brewha Offline
#12 Posted: Thu, Aug 4 2016, 9:32 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
It's kind of a slap in da face to a whole bunch of prosecutors and judges isn't it..?? Mellow

Nothing to do with the judges - It is a slap to the over zealous laws that are on the books from Reagans "war on drugs".

USA Today -

The early release of the 214 prisoners, mostly low-level drug offenders, is part of Obama's effort to correct what he views as unreasonably long mandatory minimum sentences. Some date back decades, including 71-year-old Richard L. Reser of Sedgwick, Kan., who was given a 40-year sentence for dealing methamphatamine and firearm possession in 1989. He'll be released Dec. 1.

"The more we understand the human stories behind this problem, the sooner we can start making real changes that keep our streets safe, break the cycle of incarceration in this country, and save taxpayers like you money," Obama said in a Facebook post.
Stinkdyr Offline
#13 Posted: Thu, Aug 4 2016, 9:32 AM EST
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Legalize drugs. Stop wasting taxpayer $$ chasing idiots who ingest chemicals.
Let Darwin sort them out.

fog
danmdevries Offline
#14 Posted: Thu, Aug 4 2016, 9:37 AM EST
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Yup.

Those that will abuse drugs and be a burden on society will do so regardless of the law.

Those that will have a good time/party with substances but not as a lifestyle, will do so regardless of the law.

Might as well make up for all the lost tobacco tax revenue...
danmdevries Offline
#15 Posted: Thu, Aug 4 2016, 9:37 AM EST
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Yup.

Those that will abuse drugs and be a burden on society will do so regardless of the law.

Those that will have a good time/party with substances but not as a lifestyle, will do so regardless of the law.

Might as well make up for all the lost tobacco tax revenue...
Brewha Offline
#16 Posted: Thu, Aug 4 2016, 9:38 AM EST
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You can say that again....




- oh.
DrafterX Offline
#17 Posted: Thu, Aug 4 2016, 9:39 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Nothing to do with the judges - It is a slap to the over zealous laws that are on the books from Reagans "war on drugs".

USA Today -

The early release of the 214 prisoners, mostly low-level drug offenders, is part of Obama's effort to correct what he views as unreasonably long mandatory minimum sentences. Some date back decades, including 71-year-old Richard L. Reser of Sedgwick, Kan., who was given a 40-year sentence for dealing methamphatamine and firearm possession in 1989. He'll be released Dec. 1.

"The more we understand the human stories behind this problem, the sooner we can start making real changes that keep our streets safe, break the cycle of incarceration in this country, and save taxpayers like you money," Obama said in a Facebook post.



You sure those laws were Reagan's idea..?? Mellow
Brewha Offline
#18 Posted: Thu, Aug 4 2016, 9:57 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
You sure those laws were Reagan's idea..?? Mellow


Nixon stated it, but the Reagan administration took it to a whole new level:

The presidency of Ronald Reagan marked the start of a long period of skyrocketing rates of incarceration, largely thanks to his unprecedented expansion of the drug war. The number of people behind bars for nonviolent drug law offenses increased from 50,000 in 1980 to over 400,000 by 1997.


As a side bar - no, I don't think Reagan himself actual wrote the laws, or had much in the way of his own ideas....
DrafterX Offline
#19 Posted: Thu, Aug 4 2016, 10:02 AM EST
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I think he was just enforcing existing laws... did you look at the link I posted..?? Huh




http://www.wnyc.org/story/312823-black-leaders-once-championed-strict-drug-laws-they-now-seek-dismantle/

or is this site biased and stuff too..?? Mellow
Brewha Offline
#20 Posted: Thu, Aug 4 2016, 10:46 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
I think he was just enforcing existing laws... did you look at the link I posted..?? Huh




http://www.wnyc.org/story/312823-black-leaders-once-championed-strict-drug-laws-they-now-seek-dismantle/

or is this site biased and stuff too..?? Mellow

So....your thinking it's a race thing???
DrafterX Offline
#21 Posted: Thu, Aug 4 2016, 10:54 AM EST
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no.. not at all... I'm saying the laws were written before Reagan and with the assistance of some black leaders at the time.. Including Rangel who is trying to make it a race thing now.... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#22 Posted: Thu, Aug 4 2016, 10:59 AM EST
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As a side note was rangle the same person as the Minnie the moocher dude?
DrafterX Offline
#23 Posted: Thu, Aug 4 2016, 11:00 AM EST
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Think
you might be on to somethin... Think
teedubbya Offline
#24 Posted: Thu, Aug 4 2016, 11:01 AM EST
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Hi de hi de hi de ho
MACS Offline
#25 Posted: Thu, Aug 4 2016, 11:02 AM EST
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Stinkdyr wrote:
Legalize drugs. Stop wasting taxpayer $$ chasing idiots who ingest chemicals.
Let Darwin sort them out.

fog


I tend to agree. However, when the dopers are out, and free to ingest chemicals... they're not exactly working ya know?

Non-productive leeches. They obtain their drug money by doing any number of things for which we WILL want them locked up... theft, burglary, armed robbery, identity theft, preying on seniors, etc...

CA enacted Prop 47, which makes possession of drugs a cite-able offense now, instead of a felony. Keeps the dopers out of jail/prison, right? Well... yeah... until they commit one of the crimes I listed above in order to get their fix.

So, Brewha - does it really matter who 'started' or made stronger the 'war on drugs'? At what point do we hold people accountable for their actions and choices to break the laws we, as a society, agreed on?
teedubbya Offline
#26 Posted: Thu, Aug 4 2016, 11:04 AM EST
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I know plenty of working and productive drug addicts. Many are in the NFL lol.
MACS Offline
#27 Posted: Thu, Aug 4 2016, 11:21 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I know plenty of working and productive drug addicts. Many are in the NFL lol.


Even the ones that start out as 'functioning' eventually degrade into the locked up dopers we have in the system. Not all, but the vast majority of them.
teedubbya Offline
#28 Posted: Thu, Aug 4 2016, 11:25 AM EST
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I dunno. I know some that have held jobs and families for decades. Some you would never guess. Alcoholics same thing. I suppose it has to catch up sometime but I've seen some seriously professional addicts.
DrafterX Offline
#29 Posted: Thu, Aug 4 2016, 11:52 AM EST
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Ya.... poor CROS was a Podiatrist. .. Sad
teedubbya Offline
#30 Posted: Thu, Aug 4 2016, 11:55 AM EST
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he used to be a spider?
DrafterX Offline
#31 Posted: Thu, Aug 4 2016, 11:58 AM EST
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Mellow
MACS Offline
#32 Posted: Thu, Aug 4 2016, 12:02 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I dunno. I know some that have held jobs and families for decades. Some you would never guess. Alcoholics same thing. I suppose it has to catch up sometime but I've seen some seriously professional addicts.


Yes, I am sure there are examples you can cite that hold it together. I know of a couple, too. What I am saying is... those are the exception, not the rule.
teedubbya Offline
#33 Posted: Thu, Aug 4 2016, 12:06 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Yes, I am sure there are examples you can cite that hold it together. I know of a couple, too. What I am saying is... those are the exception, not the rule.



agreed. I was just being an apologist for drafter who is addicted to cox
DrafterX Offline
#34 Posted: Thu, Aug 4 2016, 12:32 PM EST
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I have Dish Network... And I don't watch it that much... Not talking
teedubbya Offline
#35 Posted: Thu, Aug 4 2016, 12:48 PM EST
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I knew you would like denile since it's long and wide
Buckwheat Offline
#36 Posted: Thu, Aug 4 2016, 1:01 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Meh. I don't mind if they release non-violent dopers who have already served enough time for what they did.


+1

Here is an interesting read on the History of the War on Drugs. http://www.drugpolicy.org/new-solutions-drug-policy/brief-history-drug-war

Take it for what it is... or not. fog
Mr. Jones Offline
#37 Posted: Thu, Aug 4 2016, 1:04 PM EST
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Hey BARRY???

When do I get my
"COMMUTATION"
From 4 solid years of
ILLEGAL FBI-SSG GANGSTALKING PERSECUTION
AND
MY MILLION BUCKS BACK??? that the SSG STOLE
FROM MY HUT...

Christ, I never even got questioned or a trial...
And the SSG tried to kill me
at least 6 different times...

W.T.F.???

Screwww... commuting guilty FELONS...
How about commuting innocent U.S. citizens?
DrafterX Offline
#38 Posted: Thu, Aug 4 2016, 1:06 PM EST
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Did you vote for him..?? Huh
Brewha Offline
#39 Posted: Thu, Aug 4 2016, 1:43 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
I tend to agree. However, when the dopers are out, and free to ingest chemicals... they're not exactly working ya know?

Non-productive leeches. They obtain their drug money by doing any number of things for which we WILL want them locked up... theft, burglary, armed robbery, identity theft, preying on seniors, etc...

CA enacted Prop 47, which makes possession of drugs a cite-able offense now, instead of a felony. Keeps the dopers out of jail/prison, right? Well... yeah... until they commit one of the crimes I listed above in order to get their fix.

So, Brewha - does it really matter who 'started' or made stronger the 'war on drugs'? At what point do we hold people accountable for their actions and choices to break the laws we, as a society, agreed on?

My point was that there are laws on the books that are unreasonably harsh for the crime.

Now when I pointed our that imprisonment ballooned with Reagans renewed war on drugs, I think Drafter felt I was insulting a deity....
Despite the tone of the OP, being "Obama did it - so it must be bad".

It sounds to me like the people whose convictions were commuted were held accountable and have been punished. In other words, I think justice was served in this case.
TMCTLT Offline
#40 Posted: Thu, Aug 4 2016, 1:44 PM EST
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This just in.....

http://dailycaller.com/2016/08/03/obama-shortens-sentences-for-56-federal-prisoners-with-gun-convictions/


WOOPSIE...he ditn't mean to :-"
DrafterX Offline
#41 Posted: Thu, Aug 4 2016, 1:57 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:

Now when I pointed our that imprisonment ballooned with Reagans renewed war on drugs, I think Drafter felt I was insulting a deity....
.



Laugh not at all man... It just sounded like Reagan imposed these sentences...
Stinkdyr Offline
#42 Posted: Thu, Aug 4 2016, 2:23 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
As a side note was rangle the same person as the Minnie the moocher dude?



Is Rangle the tax-evader DomRep guy....the one who looks like a walrus who lost his tusks?

Think
MACS Offline
#43 Posted: Thu, Aug 4 2016, 2:57 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
It sounds to me like the people whose convictions were commuted were held accountable and have been punished. In other words, I think justice was served in this case.


Exactly. If you read what I wrote in post #2, you'll see I agree with you.

I'm also in favor of decriminalization of drugs, but that alone isn't going to fix the problem of folks being incarcerated. As I stated, the dopers resort to other, more serious criminal activity to get the money for their dope.

You can't force rehab on them. As anyone who has ever been to an AA/NA meeting will tell you, in order for them to quit they had to hit 'their own rock bottom' in order to want to change. Some people will get a DUI and that will be their clue. Others will get multiple DUI's and get the hint. Still others will have a DUI crash with injuries and get the hint... and some will lose their family, job, home... everything, and live on the street... and still not want to quit.
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