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It's time for a 3rd party president.
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Speyside Offline
#1 Posted: Sat, Aug 13 2016, 12:27 PM EST
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I have never seen 2 bigger POS running for president than Trump and Clinton. It is a shame the 3rd parties have no real chance of winning. I will be voting 3rd party for Johnson, hoping he gets a ground swell of support from those not blinded by the Democratic and Republican machines.
jjanecka Offline
#2 Posted: Sat, Aug 13 2016, 5:15 PM EST
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Why throw your vote away to Clinton? That's the only person it will benefit.
Speyside Offline
#3 Posted: Sat, Aug 13 2016, 5:50 PM EST
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Fair question. I think it comes down to my individual point of view. Your position is a reasonable one.
JadeRose Offline
#4 Posted: Sun, Aug 14 2016, 8:03 AM EST
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Lesser of 2 evils is still evil.





Johnson/Weld 2016
teedubbya Offline
#5 Posted: Sun, Aug 14 2016, 8:40 AM EST
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#2 bull****. A third party vote is not a vote for Clinton. Pure BS.

Take all options away except Clinton and don the con and I'll vote Clinton. You'd better hope I vote third party. The scarier trump gets the more inclined I am to take your advice that a third party vote is really a vote for trump.

Vote for who you want and remember the a vote for x is really a vote for y folks are playing a game. A vote for x is a vote x. Anyone saying differently thinks they are smarter than they are.
teedubbya Offline
#6 Posted: Sun, Aug 14 2016, 8:46 AM EST
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The reason trip won the primaries is because the vote was diluted by so many candidates. He needs to find a way to win with 40% or less. It could be argued he needs a strong third party.

But a vote for x is still a vote for x.
teedubbya Offline
#7 Posted: Sun, Aug 14 2016, 8:47 AM EST
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Trip, trump whatever.
Speyside Offline
#8 Posted: Sun, Aug 14 2016, 12:39 PM EST
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You tripped over Trump?
tailgater Offline
#9 Posted: Sun, Aug 14 2016, 1:41 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
#2 bull****. A third party vote is not a vote for Clinton. Pure BS.

Take all options away except Clinton and don the con and I'll vote Clinton. You'd better hope I vote third party. The scarier trump gets the more inclined I am to take your advice that a third party vote is really a vote for trump.

Vote for who you want and remember the a vote for x is really a vote for y folks are playing a game. A vote for x is a vote x. Anyone saying differently thinks they are smarter than they are.


Yeah.
A vote for Ross Perot, er, uh, Johnson is NOT a vote for....
Oh, never mind.
jjanecka Offline
#10 Posted: Sun, Aug 14 2016, 2:11 PM EST
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The reality is that Trump can't possibly ever follow up with a wall because even he uses illegal labor, he can't possibly be entirely anti-arab because of his middle east holdings, and while he might be Pro-Russia he's definitely not Anti-American.

A lot of his outbursts are strategic. Plain and simple. He knows if he says it the media will cover it.

People make a huge deal over what's said but they're too ignorant to look and see what either candidate put down on paper. This ain't no high-school popularity contest. This is voting for the next president and I really feel that the Republic of the United States of America is in for some serious trouble if Clinton becomes president.
victor809 Offline
#11 Posted: Sun, Aug 14 2016, 2:41 PM EST
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... Should have thought of that before nominating an unelectable Republican nominee.

If the Republicans truly (like really truly, not just lip service BS) thought Clinton was the worst thing in the world for America. They would have nominated a candidate who could win independent votes or middle of the road voted.

Their strategy is clearly to double down on hard core right wing ideology, ensure there's no way they'll win and then whine about how bad the country is for the next 8 years.

It's BS.
teedubbya Offline
#12 Posted: Sun, Aug 14 2016, 6:08 PM EST
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A vote for Ross Perot was a vote for Ross Perot.
tailgater Offline
#13 Posted: Sun, Aug 14 2016, 6:22 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
A vote for Ross Perot was a vote for Ross Perot.


Did you snopes that?
rumraider Offline
#14 Posted: Sun, Aug 14 2016, 7:54 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
... Should have thought of that before nominating an unelectable Republican nominee.

If the Republicans truly (like really truly, not just lip service BS) thought Clinton was the worst thing in the world for America. They would have nominated a candidate who could win independent votes or middle of the road voted.

Their strategy is clearly to double down on hard core right wing ideology, ensure there's no way they'll win and then whine about how bad the country is for the next 8 years.

It's BS.

+1
All the dumbasses had to do was nominate anybody else andthey would have won easily.
teedubbya Offline
#15 Posted: Sun, Aug 14 2016, 8:20 PM EST
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Yup. A vote for trump in the primaries was a vote for Hillary.
banderl Offline
#16 Posted: Sun, Aug 14 2016, 8:33 PM EST
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What's wrong with Trump?
DrafterX Offline
#17 Posted: Sun, Aug 14 2016, 8:34 PM EST
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I didn't vote for him.... so now I can sit back and laugh right..?? Huh


WTF... I'll take care of myself and let the country go to chit and feel good about myself... Mellow






Did you pick out a cliff yet TW..?? Laugh
tonygraz Offline
#18 Posted: Sun, Aug 14 2016, 9:54 PM EST
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What's not wrong with Trump ?
frankj1 Offline
#19 Posted: Sun, Aug 14 2016, 9:59 PM EST
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8 years.

that's a very long time.

and the strategy is "don't vote for two of the three" cuz then Hillary wins"???

If we gave ya a decade, could you have given us someone to vote FOR?

No faith in the GOP either kids.
TMCTLT Offline
#20 Posted: Mon, Aug 15 2016, 7:42 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
I have never seen 2 bigger POS running for president than Trump and Clinton. It is a shame the 3rd parties have no real chance of winning. I will be voting 3rd party for Johnson, hoping he gets a ground swell of support from those not blinded by the Democratic and Republican machines.




What is a shame is that the cronies from the entrenched two party system will NEVER allow that to happen as long as the RNC and DNC can control WHO gets to stand on the SAME STAGE in debates in front of the American people. Until We The People begin to elect people who's ONLY concern is what's best for OUR country and not " their handlers " we ARE HOSED.
TMCTLT Offline
#21 Posted: Mon, Aug 15 2016, 7:48 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
... Should have thought of that before nominating an unelectable Republican nominee.

If the Republicans truly (like really truly, not just lip service BS) thought Clinton was the worst thing in the world for America. They would have nominated a candidate who could win independent votes or middle of the road voted.

Their strategy is clearly to double down on hard core right wing ideology, ensure there's no way they'll win and then whine about how bad the country is for the next 8 years.

It's BS.



If the only thing we have on Trump is His Mouth and what comes out of it.....
I'll take that every day over a woman who's shown her true colors to all Americans, SHE CANNOT BE TRUSTED.....
PERIOD

This is what our elections have come to, not so much who one wants....but who we DON'T WANT. And I don't want Killary more than I don't want Donald Trump
Buckwheat Offline
#22 Posted: Mon, Aug 15 2016, 8:06 AM EST
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rumraider wrote:
+1
All the dumbasses had to do was nominate anybody else andthey would have won easily.


That's what they thought when they went with Romney and McCain and look how that ended up. fog

VOTE JOHNSON/WELD 2016!! horse
dstieger Offline
#23 Posted: Mon, Aug 15 2016, 10:31 AM EST
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Even if I concede the point that "a vote for Johnson is a vote for Clinton", I think there's still merit in the vote. If you feel strongly against both major party offerings, perhaps a 3rd party vote is needed NOW to begin the process of having a viable 3rd party someday. If Johnson and Stein can pull enough % to get people to notice, then maybe...just maybe, a 3rd party candidate will get a little attention earlier in the process next time. We don't have a chance of seeing a truly viable 3rd party candidate until some critical mass of people see it as possible....someday.
Speyside Offline
#24 Posted: Mon, Aug 15 2016, 11:10 AM EST
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Dstieger, you put into words what I am thinking. Thank you.
frankj1 Offline
#25 Posted: Mon, Aug 15 2016, 12:06 PM EST
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dstieger wrote:
Even if I concede the point that "a vote for Johnson is a vote for Clinton", I think there's still merit in the vote. If you feel strongly against both major party offerings, perhaps a 3rd party vote is needed NOW to begin the process of having a viable 3rd party someday. If Johnson and Stein can pull enough % to get people to notice, then maybe...just maybe, a 3rd party candidate will get a little attention earlier in the process next time. We don't have a chance of seeing a truly viable 3rd party candidate until some critical mass of people see it as possible....someday.

is there a percentage of votes needed in a previous election to get a 3rd party included in future debates?
dstieger Offline
#26 Posted: Mon, Aug 15 2016, 12:11 PM EST
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dunno...debates are rigged, right?


Seriously, though, I'm pretty sure that if Johnson had gotten the attention he's getting now....back in February, there might be enough chatter to get him to a debate stage.

I'm speaking much more about media attention and national consciousness than about debates...if we get to Aug and the 3rd party is not in the debate discussion, its way too late
Speyside Offline
#27 Posted: Mon, Aug 15 2016, 12:24 PM EST
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I think 15% is the number.
tailgater Offline
#28 Posted: Mon, Aug 15 2016, 1:41 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
is there a percentage of votes needed in a previous election to get a 3rd party included in future debates?


You jockeying to add Jill Stein?
frankj1 Offline
#29 Posted: Mon, Aug 15 2016, 4:34 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
You jockeying to add Jill Stein?


y'know, I finally saw one TV spot with her...everyone has been lying to me. She wasn't green. Maybe a bit jaundiced but I thought that could be my television.
tailgater Offline
#30 Posted: Mon, Aug 15 2016, 5:05 PM EST
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It's not that easy being green
Having to spend each day the color of the leaves
When I think it could be nicer being red, or yellow or gold
Or something much more colorful like that

It's not easy being green
It seems you blend in with so many other ordinary things
And people tend to pass you over 'cause you're
Not standing out like flashy sparkles in the water
Or stars in the sky

But green's the color of Spring
And green can be cool and friendly-like
And green can be big like an ocean, or important
Like a mountain, or tall like a tree

When green is all there is to be
It could make you wonder why, but why wonder why
Wonder, I am green and it'll do fine, it's beautiful
And I think it's what I want to be
frankj1 Offline
#31 Posted: Mon, Aug 15 2016, 5:48 PM EST
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beautiful, man.
DrafterX Offline
#32 Posted: Tue, Aug 16 2016, 7:07 AM EST
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I heard Johnson was gonna legalize pot all over and make it ok to smoke in schools and stuff... Mellow
tonygraz Offline
#33 Posted: Tue, Aug 16 2016, 7:20 AM EST
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I heard you need a hearing aid.
DrafterX Offline
#34 Posted: Tue, Aug 16 2016, 7:36 AM EST
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what.. Mellow
Brewha Offline
#35 Posted: Tue, Aug 16 2016, 7:43 AM EST
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He said you have Hearing-AIDs.

Prolly from listening to A-holes...
DrafterX Offline
#36 Posted: Tue, Aug 16 2016, 7:50 AM EST
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Those Bassards..!! I guess I'll have to start using the Block Posts thingy on here.... Mad
tailgater Offline
#37 Posted: Tue, Aug 16 2016, 9:18 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
He said you have Hearing-AIDs.

Prolly from listening to A-holes...


You sure it wasn't from meeting the Man from Nantucket?
Brewha Offline
#38 Posted: Tue, Aug 16 2016, 10:38 AM EST
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Or maybe the girl from Venus....
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#39 Posted: Tue, Aug 16 2016, 3:04 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
If the only thing we have on Trump is His Mouth and what comes out of it.....
I'll take that every day over a woman who's shown her true colors to all Americans, SHE CANNOT BE TRUSTED.....
PERIOD

This is what our elections have come to, not so much who one wants....but who we DON'T WANT. And I don't want Killary more than I don't want Donald Trump


You prove my point. In your mind, trump is better. But you've completely failed to look at the bigger picture, the opinion of anyone who isn't you. If the Republicans actually wanted Clinton to lose they would have looked at which candidate could win the larger election... Not just which one would meet the minimum acceptance criteria for the republican primary. ...

I, and many other (many many many to use trump terms) independent voters don't find him to be a better option than hillary. The Republicans knew that going in, no one has been under any illusion that he won't be able to get anyone outside of the Republican primary voters. Yet he was still the nominee.

The party line about needing Clinton to lose is a lie. If that were the goal, you and the other Republicans would have provided at least a semi palatable option for those of us in the middle.
jjanecka Offline
#40 Posted: Tue, Aug 16 2016, 3:10 PM EST
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You guys have hit it right on the nail. I knew the republican party was screwed this election as soon as I saw 50 some odd candidates in the primary. Dems only really had Clinton and Bernie. The Republican party shredded their own long before the Dems could. Now this election is a joke. We all know Clinton is gonna win unless something rediculously unplanned happens in the next month.
DrafterX Offline
#41 Posted: Tue, Aug 16 2016, 3:15 PM EST
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So, the Republicans knew ahead of time Trump was gonna win..?? It's obvious Hillary winning was predetermined but Trump wasn't the only who showed up to those debates.... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#42 Posted: Tue, Aug 16 2016, 3:31 PM EST
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Neither is a viable candidate to me but I'd vote Hillary way before trump. If missouri is close a may do that rather than third party (then fling myself off a cliff). Trump is just that bad.

It's possible to have multiple primary candidates and emerge stronger for it. The republicans didn't do that.

I think they've been acting politically childish for the past eight years and couldn't just flip a switch to get out of that mode. Now they've elected a freakish man child and regret it. Carrie has won their homecoming queen, the blood has spilled, and now she is unleashing on them.

They can rebuild stronger than ever and hopefully there will be no Carrie 2.
dstieger Offline
#43 Posted: Tue, Aug 16 2016, 3:35 PM EST
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Worst part of Carrie was once they got her in the ground....and then that fn hand ....hopefully she dies a bit more permanently
tonygraz Offline
#44 Posted: Tue, Aug 16 2016, 6:54 PM EST
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Thinking of Trump ?
Speyside Offline
#45 Posted: Tue, Aug 16 2016, 11:07 PM EST
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He really should take the dead rodent off his head.
tonygraz Offline
#46 Posted: Wed, Aug 17 2016, 8:18 AM EST
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Not yet ready for a competitive 3rd party in this country, but the advent of Bernie, Trump, liberterians and the green party are showing that neither the republicans or democrats are providing satisfaction to their supporters. The time may come somewhere in the not too distant future.
Stinkdyr Offline
#47 Posted: Fri, Aug 19 2016, 11:45 AM EST
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I have been voting Libertarian for 20+ years.

Eventually, others will get fed up with the tax & spend status quo socialism and join in.

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