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Air Purifiers
wjskin Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 03-16-2002
Posts: 72
OK, it's time to break down and purchase one of these animals. The wife has been good about the obvious scent I'm bringing into the house after a stay on the patio or front porch, but I'm even beginning to smell the "fragrance" adorning el adobe. Furthermore, I just got a company car with lots of travel on the agenda. The company frowns on smoking inside said car (go figure). So, it looks like I'll be purchasing something to purify my rarified air there, as well. Question: anybody have one/both of these that has served them well? I have a current bid going on the Csonka Super Size Air Cleaner (here on CB), but didn't see anything for the car. What's worked for 'ya?
xibbumbero Offline
#2 Posted:
Joined: 01-25-2002
Posts: 12,535
Keep a bag of potato's under the seat of your car for a couple months or so. That'll clear up that nasty smoke smell. X
Fubar69 Offline
#3 Posted:
Joined: 04-02-2001
Posts: 325
wjskin... Take a look at this site before you buy one of the "ozone generators" http://www.epa.gov/iaq/pubs/ozonegen.html


There are more sites and reports on these types of machines that will show you that they don't work and that they can be harmful to people and animals if they produce enough ozone to do what they claim. There are also several lawsuits against several of the manufacturers of these machines brought by different states because of the claims they make and can't back them up...69
wjskin Offline
#4 Posted:
Joined: 03-16-2002
Posts: 72
Thanks for the warning, Fubar. I'll check out the site. BTW, would this be considered an air purifier or an ozone generator?

http://www.cigarbid.com/...ion/lot.cfm?lotID=67545

And to X: Great idea. And if I get hungry on a road trip, I can bake one up on the engine between locations. Now, that's what I call multi-tasking!
cigarsmoke Offline
#5 Posted:
Joined: 07-14-2002
Posts: 100
I have a csonka and a sharper image both work nicely. I have not heard of any proven bad side effects wonder if this is the same sort of BS as the Global Warming rumor.
Fubar69 Offline
#6 Posted:
Joined: 04-02-2001
Posts: 325
wjskin...the Csonka is an ozone purifier. I can't say if the information is straight or not but it does come from the EPA. I did have one of the ion/ozone generators and someone showed me this report. After that I went looking for info on the internet and found several reports and lawsuits against the machines. I just keyed in ion generators and ozone generators in the search machines. I took my machine back after reading the info. I also made copies and gave them to the manager of the store that I bought the machine from.

Here is another site and one of the Q and A from it.

http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ehp/ehd/catalogue/psb_pubs/ozone_qa.htm

Q.1 Why has Health Canada issued the warning on ozone generators?

A.1 A risk evaluation by Health Canada on ozone generators in January 1999, concluded that ozone generators pose a risk to the health and safety of the public. The direct and purposeful introduction of ozone into occupied indoor environments is unacceptable and therefore should be avoided. Health Canada is concerned with the adverse health effects that may result from the deliberate exposure of the public to ozone from air cleaners that intentionally generate ozone gas (ozone generators). Ozone is an irritant gas that can cause coughs, chest discomfort, and irritation of the nose, throat, and trachea. Health Canada has received complaints from consumers of respiratory problems when using an ozone generator.
Following a review of current information and in consultation with Health Canada and others, the Canadian Standards Association (CSA) recently made the decision not to certify these products for household use and have issued new interim requirements for commercial units. This warning is aimed at addressing the devices previously certified and sold.

Q.13 Does ozone kill germs?

A.13 To be effective as a germicide, the concentration of ozone must be far greater than any human could tolerate. A study by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency indicated that ozone was not effective in killing airborne moulds and fungi, even at concentrations as high as 6 to 9 ppm.

http://www.mlmwatch.org/04C/Alpine/alpine.html
Available scientific evidence shows that, at concentrations that do not exceed public health standards, ozone is generally ineffective in controlling indoor air pollution. The concentration of ozone would have to greatly exceed health standards to be effective in removing most indoor air contaminants [8].

CigarSmoke...You can take this for what you paid for it. I am just saying that it bothered me enough to not use one. But if it works for you then no problem.

Smoke 'em if you got 'em...69





cigarsmoke Offline
#7 Posted:
Joined: 07-14-2002
Posts: 100
Thanks for the concern and the info but "Health Canada" oh yeah thats the same government that has a health program that by the time you see a doctor for stitches they have to amputate for gangreen. The EPA has a % of telling the truth lower than a minor league pitcher's batting average.
delarob Offline
#8 Posted:
Joined: 06-28-2001
Posts: 5,318
Wow... I bet bids went through the roof after people read that.
Fubar69 Offline
#9 Posted:
Joined: 04-02-2001
Posts: 325
Delarob...Didn't really mean it that way. Was just passing along some info like it was passed to me. But still feel strongly about it for myself. Maybe there are lots of people out there that can just shrug it off as BS like Cigarsmoke. If you just see one report you might overlook it but after seeing several items on it then you begin to wonder if there isn't something there.

Hell, I have a brother-in-law that sells the damn things and I wouldnt buy one from him even after his sales pitch, not to mention his discount. I don't know, put it down to "I believe some of the stuff I read." Didn't mean to stuff CBID, but then I don't buy Lone Wolf either but they still sell...69
Todog Offline
#10 Posted:
Joined: 05-05-2001
Posts: 804
Kind of ironic that we're worried about the dangers of this ozone generator while we enjoy our shared pastime of smoking our wonderful cigars without concern for health issues!
delarob Offline
#11 Posted:
Joined: 06-28-2001
Posts: 5,318
I was at brookstones today, and I saw a version of ionizer for sale. I thought of this thread, and kept on walking.
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